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How did Chris Brown and R. Kelly "get away with it"?
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I think a big part of it is the fact that their respective acts were done well in the past. #metoo has changed how we handle celebrity misconduct in the future, but it's much harder for people to apply those same standards retroactively.
That's just speaking generally though. I'm well aware that R Kelly is still on some bullshit, but since none of the actual women involved have spoken out yet AFAIK, he's been able to fake like his whole harem thing is consensual so far. Law enforcement needs to get on that shit though.
That's just speaking generally though. I'm well aware that R Kelly is still on some bullshit, but since none of the actual women involved have spoken out yet AFAIK, he's been able to fake like his whole harem thing is consensual so far. Law enforcement needs to get on that shit though.
1. Be rich
2. Have stans
3. Not enough evidence(yet) to jail them up for good
While it naturally helps that the victims are black women, I don't think it matters matters alot when you cover point 1 to 3. See the Trump family.
2. Have stans
3. Not enough evidence(yet) to jail them up for good
While it naturally helps that the victims are black women, I don't think it matters matters alot when you cover point 1 to 3. See the Trump family.
Nah man, white America called for Michael Vick's head after the dog fighting incident, no way they would've let Chris off the hook for beating up on one of their own.
Dude, OJ Simpson beat the shit out of Nicole Simpson in 1989 and no one gave a shit; in fact he was in multiple major films afterwards. Kobe Bryant (allegedly) raped a white chick and no one cared. Can we put down the "black misery porn" just enough to acknowledge that Chris Brown beating up a white chick wouldn't matter anymore than him beating up global superstar Rihanna mattered? IE not at all.
The reality is that men, especially famous/rich men, get away with violence against women all the time. Brown's fanbase consists of young girls and women who not only love him but love his destructive behavior. It's the "I can change him" dynamic, I guess.
And if Tyson had competent representation and not Don King's tax attorney or whatever he was, Tyson probably would've walked. Then again even if it was innocent it could be considered karma for all the other shit he did especially abusing his ex-wife Robin Givens
I'd suggest that if either Brown or Kelly were accused of more than 40 rapes with a common MO in all of them, they wouldn't have gotten away with shit.
What those guys did was terrible, but Cosby is like next-level evil.
What those guys did was terrible, but Cosby is like next-level evil.
I remember seeing some of those same people say they were fine taking a punch from Brown.
WOW people actually defending Michael. There are tons of stuff out there proving his guilt. Dude settled out of court on a bunch of stuff and there are plenty of stuff listed from raids on his property as well during the times he was being investigated. I love Michael's music and style but dude was as bad as it gets when it comes to sexual abuse.
I would moreso compare Chris Brown with the very long list of celebrities who have abused their partners like Charlie Sheen and Johnny Depp way before I compare him to R Kelly. And while he has been able to claw his way back to some form of relevancy, I wouldnt exactly say he "got away with it".
Now r kelly on the other hand. He definitely has gotten away with it. It boggles my mind
Now r kelly on the other hand. He definitely has gotten away with it. It boggles my mind
Their rabid ass fanbases let them. You'd try to bring up Chris Brown being a dirtbag and they'd laugh that shit off, or say some obnoxious bullshit. And that was almost immediately after it happened, let alone nowadays.
I still see Chris Brown in videos for Complex about buying sneakers and shit all of the time. He's not popular anymore but he's certainly more popular and relevant than even a guy like T. Pain and all he ever did was know how to sing and use autotune for effect. Chris Brown also apparently abused and stalked his next girlfriend that fine ass Blasian chick Karreche Tran.
Just wanted to point: Chris Brown has the #1 video on Youtube trending right now w/Joyner Lucas. 2M hits in 24 hours.
So yeah...that piece of shit is still relevant.
So yeah...that piece of shit is still relevant.
You didn't even read the thread never mind perform even a cursory attempt at research here.
R Kelly does have a common MO of grooming underaged girls
The skit he did with Elmo is one of Sesame Street's all time greats.
Too bad what happened with Elmo's voice actor, too!
Those things were on the news allllll the damn time, they were big deals not just in the hip hop community but general public.
People going right back to listening to R-Kelly was pretty disgusting.
But then this happened and made up for some of it
RECEIPTS plz
The rest of your post is speculation at best. Show me the receipts of your PROOF.
Kobe Bryant didn't rape that woman at all, she made it up because she wanted some of his loot. I also remember her name; Katelyn Faber.
Like I said earlier, there is no concrete proof of what he had done; It's all hearsay.
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Still having a career despite punching out Rihanna and stalking Karruche and having a restraining order put on him
I agree, and said "allegedly." He lost some endorsement deals during the darkest days of that ordeal but bounced back even more popular.
Bill Cosby certainly did rape some white women and no one cared in the 90s, or until a fellow comedian brought it up again a couple years ago. Point being there is no reason to believe Chris Brown would be punished for beating a white woman, when he wasn't punished for beating one of the most popular artists in the world (whose fanbase kind of correlates with his) and there's a pretty consistent history of famous dudes not getting punished by the public for harming (or allegedly harming) women.
Oh yeah?
"The raids on Neverland produced an accumulation of ten years' worth of heterosexual adult magazines such as Playboy, Penthouse and Hustler along with various heterosexual pornographic videos and websites on his computer."
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"There were also a few books seized (from a library of thousands) that the prosecution suggested were evidence of homosexuality and/or pedophilia. Boys Will Be Boys included pictures of boys, many naked, in various non-sexual activities such as climbing a tree or sitting on a bench. The book had an inscription reading, "To Michael: From your fan. Love XXXOOO Rhonda – 1983, Chicago." Wade Robson testified he considered Boys Will Be Boys "not a pornographic book," and said he would not be concerned about its owner being in the same bed with a 12-year-old. Another book, The Boy: A Photographic Essay, was inscribed, "Look at the true spirit of happiness and joy in these boys' faces. This is the spirit of boyhood, a life I never had and will always dream of. This is the life I want for my children. MJ." The book contained pictures of boys in various situations by different photographers, including pictures taken during the filming of the 1963 Lord of the Flies film and showed the boys on the set, usually clothed but sometimes nude, playing in the sand, reading comic books, and having pillow fights. The only book depicting male sex acts was a rare, out-of-print book called A Sexual Study of Man which featured many images of adult men engaged in all kinds of homosexual intercourse. Robson said he would be concerned if the book's owner were to share his bed with a boy, but amended that he would not mind if he considered the total picture of all the material in question. Robson testified that he believed Jackson had a "sexual interest in women," and that he had never seen "anything that suggested pedophilia" at Neverland. Jackson's multiple residences were searched numerous times by various agencies over a period of days, without any child pornography ever being found. The FBI analyzed sixteen computers and found "nothing notable" contained in their files." - Wikipedia
Michael never hurt anyone, do your research.
Because the people who could actually end their careers/contracts didn't. Fans are always gonna stick around and ignore issues. I firmly believe Louis CK and Kevin Spacey would still have people tuning in for their new shit if Netflix and the directors and whoever else signed them up for work didn't pull the plug.
Nobody pulled the plug on R Kelly or Chris Brown, hell the controversy was free publicity for both of them.
Nobody pulled the plug on R Kelly or Chris Brown, hell the controversy was free publicity for both of them.
Dude was a middle class fat ass with a regular ass job with benefits then all of the sudden he's a drug lord. I cannot believe people are making a distinction between cop and prison guard. Do you make similar distinctions between sheriffs and cops? How about Highway Patrol and cops?
R. Kelly's "In The Closet Saga" was a pretty huge success post trial. So he wasn't really hurt by it(At least initially).
Lots of those plaques that he got last year were simply due to the the RIAA awarding them that year, not that all of his music that year did amazingly well. Also, most of the plaques he got were for his older catalog of songs, not anything new. Furthermore, he used some very creative accounting to reach "40 plaques in one year". i.e.: Forever (A song from a decade ago and was certified as 4X platinum (it very likely achieved all of it's sales sometime last decade as his catalog sales are awful) is 4X platinum, so he's counting the fact that it was awarded a Gold Plaque, 1X Platinum Plaque, 2X Platinum Plaque, 3X Platinum Plaque, and 4X Platinum Plaque as 5 Plaques. When you take out all the things he double (or triple or quadruple counted) and all the catalog singles, you're left with two plaques for his last album, one gold and one platinum. And in this era where plaques are much easier to get due to Youtube and such counting for these plaques, it really brings things into perspective. His recent album has only sold 80k pure unit sales and has been certified platinum by the RIAA.
His plaques are a joke.
He's had some hits since the Rihanna incident but his success has cratered at this point. He's successful for a R&B singer, but before, he used to be successful in general.
Because their fans care more about their next record than who they are attacking.
So he didn't really "get away with it." He continues to have a career because his fans just don't give a shit and will buy his music regardless.
So he didn't really "get away with it." He continues to have a career because his fans just don't give a shit and will buy his music regardless.
No......... but my point still stands as I said. Every word that comes out of his mouth is bs. The mans living a fake life. But makes good records.
The man is straight Gusto
90% of them are an act. Everyone knows. No one cares if they putting good tunes out.
Ah, that explains the big number I suppose. Either way, your last sentence hits the nail on its head
So crazy how I was just thinking about these two douche bags just last night. I was remembering how, in face of the allegations against them, both men had minor meltdowns during television interviews because they were basically there to say "Go get that album, ya'll" and the interviewer wanted to ask perfectly valid questions that weren't back rubs or promoting the album.
I have to grit my teeth when I think of those interviews. Those two are fucking scum, and it's a shame that it's so easy for them to slide by without any real repercussions.
I have to grit my teeth when I think of those interviews. Those two are fucking scum, and it's a shame that it's so easy for them to slide by without any real repercussions.
People listen to rap thinking the guys/ girls did everything or anything they said in there songs? Is this the start of one of those terrible is this rapper fake or real type conversations.
i'd be happy to see Chris Brown just leave forever, even without being a girlfriend-beating punk his music is mostly boring and lame.
R. Kelly is a tough one, I definitely used to stan for Kelly classics like Ignition and Bump N Grind but after the stuff about the fuckin weird sex slave house came out, and there was that interview with the girl who had a handler or something I had to cut him out of my musical life. That shit is extremely fucked up, I would advise anyone with any interest in Kelly's music to read about that stuff.
So just personally speaking if we want to cut Chris Brown from the general culture, awesome, who cares about that dude; if we have to cut R. Kelly I'll be somewhat sad but I agree it is the right thing to do
R. Kelly is a tough one, I definitely used to stan for Kelly classics like Ignition and Bump N Grind but after the stuff about the fuckin weird sex slave house came out, and there was that interview with the girl who had a handler or something I had to cut him out of my musical life. That shit is extremely fucked up, I would advise anyone with any interest in Kelly's music to read about that stuff.
So just personally speaking if we want to cut Chris Brown from the general culture, awesome, who cares about that dude; if we have to cut R. Kelly I'll be somewhat sad but I agree it is the right thing to do