Yeah but I only started watching tv in the late 90's and by that point Brady Bunch was usually way too late or was dedicated to marathons.
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How do you think Gamefreak/Nintendo will make the Gen 8 Pokemon games appealing to Gen 1 fans?
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Yeah but I only started watching tv in the late 90's and by that point Brady Bunch was usually way too late or was dedicated to marathons.
Its one of the most famous TV lines ever and also one of the reasons we were to middle children the way we do. Born in the 90s, never watched an episode. Don't have to memorize shit.
I largely agree with you. I'm just saying, the lack of the evolutions in Let's Go was largely a mistake, in my eyes, and absolutely shows that Game Freak treats the first 151 different from the rest, to the detriment of the games.
Pokemon feels like a band and each generation feels like an album. Even if a band of mine released five okay to good to fantastic albums before they fell off, they'll be favorites of mine.
Shame after how good Gen 5 was 6 fucking fell flat on its face.
Oooooooooooookaaaaaaaay....not realizing why my lack of understanding American Pop Culture is being used as an insult here. I've never heard of that, apparently this makes it ok to mock me for it.
You are weirdly insistent with a dumb TV show quote.
If you want to insult someone why not just do so instead of hoping they'll understand what you're going for with an out of context to show quote they might not have heard of?
Because you have some people on the internet who act like the only games they ever enjoyed playing were the Gen 1 games, and the idea that one can still be a fan of the series despite not liking any of the games released in the last 20 years doesn't sit right with some people.
Not everything is an attack on you. Not everything is about you. How many different ways do I have to say that? Fuck. Offer a solution that's not "cater to me and not them". I cannot possibly make that any clearer.
Man it's a shame no one told Gen 1 fans this.
Or that I wasn't asking them to do that in the first place.
You need to relax dude. You're getting mad at people not hearing of a TV show.
Nah son, I meant people who ONLY like gen 1 ain't fans. You can't like one instalment from 20 years ago and actively shit on everything from inbetween and call your self a fan.
Sure, but good designs needed to go in their place. You can be bold, but the product you're putting in place of the old needs to live up to it, gen 5 is the only gen that failed to do that and that was the one gen that put everything up front. 6 and 7 could've done the exact same thing and not get that criticism.
I'm not taking everything you say as an insult. I'm taking the attitude you are having over me not knowing a quote from an old tv series like it's some crime as an insult. I have not said that gen I needs to go away anywhere in this thread.
I think you underestimate how much people didn't approve of Gen 5 only having new Pokemon, any generation that did that would have had a ton of backlash, regardless of the quality of the designs.
Quoting no one.
Continuing to act like a child.
Putting words in my mouth. Tell me more about how I'm upset people didn't know of a show I never watched myself.
Par for the course.
To all the people asking for Gen 2 pandering: wha? 19/100 of that gens pkmn were directly related to Gen 1 'mon. 6 of the remaining 81 are legendaries/mythical so you're not likely to be stomping around much of the game with those. 1 of the now remaining 80 at is Unown lol. An at least a handful of the 79 left are frequently mistaken for/misremembered as Gen 3 pkmn O.o Then theres 8 which're obsoleted by their Gen 4 evo's leaving ya with a whopping 66 pkmn to work with! I dun think this'd work out the way you want! I know doofy old Stantler getting recognition period is the dream for some but its prolly not happening.
blue:
lugia/blue sea
kyogre/sapphire
dialga/diamond
zekrom blue-electric
xerneas/blue X
blue moon
red:
ho-oh/red sky
groudon/ruby
palkia/umm pinks close to red!
reshiram red-fire
yveltal/red Y
red sun
To be fair thats what they've always done.
blue:
lugia/blue sea
kyogre/sapphire
dialga/diamond
zekrom blue-electric
xerneas/blue X
blue moon
red:
ho-oh/red sky
groudon/ruby
palkia/umm pinks close to red!
reshiram red-fire
yveltal/red Y
red sun
FRLG were bad, bland, featureless games back when they were new. Do ya really think a proper do-over'd make 'em good?
Im saying Gen 5 specifically got that slack because the designs weren't good not because old ones weren't there.
And I'm saying that even if the designs were good, people would have been angry that the old ones weren't there; it's the principle of the thing.
So you missed all the "GF should get rid of everything after Gen 1 threads?" Or the "all Pokémon after Gen 1 suck" threads?
How am I acting like a child? You're acting indignant that people date have a different t opinion then you.
And I don't know you seem pretty nettled here.
But hey just keep insulting others who disagree with you if it makes you feel better.
HAH! Yeah right these people complain about literally every Gen of Pokémon. It doesn't remotely matter what Gen it was if it wasn't Gen 1 they'll complain.
I mean, you're the one who got worked over the fact that I was unable to identify a tv show quote with no context.
Please. The "lol Digimon" / "Arent real Pokemon" shit has been here way before Gen 5.
Not an argument. If you can't see that the pandering significantly effected the quality of Gen 6 and 7, then you're blind or delusional.
It's isn't that they don't believe in it. It's that they don't want to deal with the intense mockery, backlash and complaining Genwunners lobbed at Gen 5 for having the hall to only have the new Pokemon playable until end game. That game-like all Pokemon games made bank, but it was horrible being a Gen 5 fan.
Ask people want they remember about Gen 5 off the bat and the first thing that comes to mind are people still saying it's shit because of the same 4 meme Pokemon out of a batch 100+ new mons. The only thing Gen 5 will be remembered for on the surface is the Icecream Cone/Trash bag Pokemon and being tjrast pixel based mainline games. Thanks Genwunners for successfully making GF averse to even acknowledging the games existence. Since Gen 5 all we get as nods of reference is Grimsley mini cameo in USUM and Chandelure existing in Pokken because it's stupidly popular in Japan.
Gen 1 Stan's have effectively made it so that GF will ONLY make nods to them. Fuck you if you were a fan or grew up with any gen past 3
In an ideal world, the 151 Pokémon would be left out of Gen 8's Pokédex.
In reality, the second biggest amount of Pokémon will be Kanto Pokémon, and your first wild encounter will be a Rattata and Pidgey.
In reality, the second biggest amount of Pokémon will be Kanto Pokémon, and your first wild encounter will be a Rattata and Pidgey.
Gen 5 has a ton of really strong designs. The problem is the starters are the worst in the series and the most of the legendary Pokémon look even worse. On the other hand the common Pokémon are fantastic. Golurk, Chandelure, Mienshao, Scrafty, Excadrill, Hydreigon, Sawsbuck, Reuniclus and dozens of other look just as good as any design from other generations.
I don't think TPC or Gamefreak are searching through video game forums or YouTube comments sections to make major decisions around the franchise. They probably just see that Gen 5 sold the least amount of copies in the series and have worked from there. It is a shame though, especially since gen 5 are the games in the series.
It wouldn't be a Pokémon thread on era without shitting on gen 1. Y'all whine about gen 1 pandering more than genwunners whine about new Pokémon.
Folks are going to be so mad when gen 8 drops and gen 1 gets some other mechanic that is skewed heavily (or entirely) towards those Pokémon. And y'all will buy it anyway
Folks are going to be so mad when gen 8 drops and gen 1 gets some other mechanic that is skewed heavily (or entirely) towards those Pokémon. And y'all will buy it anyway
I don't consider it as ruining. Thought that would have been obvious.
I mean, yea. Unlike Genwunners, people who complain about the pandering actually like Pokemon as a series. People are just tired of the focus of it being entirely on Gen 1 when there's 20 years of Pokemon not getting the time of day
As for your first part, thats obvious considering the number of new Pokemon each new gen has been shrinking along with the new Pokedexs having a ton of Gen 1 Pokemon in them
And I ask again why would Genwunners complain when there the ones being catered to?
On the other hand, this sweeping generalization isnt true either. I hate gen 1 pandering, and still think Gen 5 had weak pokemon design (stuff like klingklang, confagrigus, genies, duosion/solosis, cyagonal, etc). Though I do respect them being that bold, and wish they would do something like gen 5 again.
Gen 8 literally started with a "remake" of Gen 1. I've stated my feelings regarding PLG several times, so I firmly believe that's it's all downhill from here.
But Game Freak won't care. They will turn everything into PLG and you. will. like. it.
But Game Freak won't care. They will turn everything into PLG and you. will. like. it.
I want them to do a gen 3/5 and have a pretty much entirely new regional dex. What they should take from gen 1 is the relative non-linearity and lack of handholding - give the game a bit of friction - something every other developer (including Nintendo) has seemed to learn in the last few years. I felt like I fucking sleptwalked through Let's Go.
So you would prefer a lesser product over one that stands on its own merits?
Lesser in what way and to whom? I don't think it's possible to answer you overly vague question.
Lol I can't imagine Nintendo's main focus with the new Pokemon is going to be people 30+ years old
Every game Gen 6 onwards (XY, ORAS, SM, USUM) has suffered in quality because of the pandering. Baby tier difficulty, constant handholding, barely any exploration and optional routes, and mediocre post games. And instead of standing on their own merits and being original, there's constant references and callbacks to Kanto.
Generations 3-5 (RSE, DPPt, BWBW2) are the best games in the series because they don't regurgitate the same things we've already seen and experienced in the first generation of Pokémon. And the last time GameFreak released a great Pokémon game with Kanto in it was HGSS, where they put in serious effort into the quality of the game, something I can't say about LGPE.
I don't mind certain Gen 1 Pokemon popping up in region after region. Real world animals do, after all. Makes sense that, say, Magikarp, Ratata, Ekans or Grimer keeps popping up. Carp are everywhere, literally one species of rat are everywhere, many snake species have vast ranges and Grimer is just living pollution.
I take issue with basically all of the Gen1 mons showing up all the time, especially in regions far from Kanto. Pikachu gets a pass because mascot but a lot of these Pokemon have no reason to show up outside of Kanto or the other nearby (Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh) regions. And DON'T get me started on the starters....
Like, the biodiversity of, say, France and Japan is somewhat similar, but when you look at individual species, is quite different. So why most of the Kalos Pokedex is Kanto/Johto with a few others thrown in from Gen 3-5 is beyond me, outside of a pure out-of-universe reason.
Kinda why I appreciated Alolan forms. It let certain Pokemon be reused but adapt in a certain way that makes sense for the new home they found themselves in. I hope we get more in new regions, along with some for non-Kanto Pokemon.
I take issue with basically all of the Gen1 mons showing up all the time, especially in regions far from Kanto. Pikachu gets a pass because mascot but a lot of these Pokemon have no reason to show up outside of Kanto or the other nearby (Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh) regions. And DON'T get me started on the starters....
Like, the biodiversity of, say, France and Japan is somewhat similar, but when you look at individual species, is quite different. So why most of the Kalos Pokedex is Kanto/Johto with a few others thrown in from Gen 3-5 is beyond me, outside of a pure out-of-universe reason.
Kinda why I appreciated Alolan forms. It let certain Pokemon be reused but adapt in a certain way that makes sense for the new home they found themselves in. I hope we get more in new regions, along with some for non-Kanto Pokemon.
