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How do you think Gamefreak/Nintendo will make the Gen 8 Pokemon games appealing to Gen 1 fans?
- Thread starter SilverX
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See, I was going to give Game Freak the benefit of the doubt and assume that all of the Gen 1 shoe-horning in XY and SuMo was to celebrate the 20th anniversary... but then LGPE came out in 2018.
If Gen 8 has the Kantonian Plague like the past four games did, then it might actually be a pass for me. Unless it turns out to be a great Pokemon game, which XY and SuMo/USUM weren't, at least in my opinion.
If Gen 8 has the Kantonian Plague like the past four games did, then it might actually be a pass for me. Unless it turns out to be a great Pokemon game, which XY and SuMo/USUM weren't, at least in my opinion.
This is a pretty good explanation of how I feel as well.
Pretty much this. They NEED to give it a rest. There is plenty of pandering they could even do for all the other past gens being there are literal millions of people who grew up on those generations as well. My younger cousin would probably be REALLY happy if they pandered to Gen 4. It seems so strange to chase the past so hard for so long when its clear Gen 1 isn't what sells that many more copies of Pokemon. There was a decline up until Gen 4 and 5 and in my opinion 4 and 5 are the best in the series.
All in all Pokemon is best when we- Guess what? Have new Pokemon.
Pidgey isn't inherently less threatening that could show up on a first route is it?
It does when the first thing you always have to see is it instead of something new to that generation. Locking encounters is silly either way.
The only reason I could see for doing it is if you wanted to teach kids about shiny pokemon at some point, in the same vein as the old catching tutorials.
Of course not, but then again you have to separate things that are just apart of the world versus things from Gen 1 exclusively.
So what you're saying is that you rather have one normal/flying bird and one normal rat everywhere, instead of different birds with different strengths and weakness? I'd say it adds plenty of variety from a design and move set perspective alone even if they don't change the typing. Which we already see in later gens. Even in 99 playing Pokemon Yellow I never used either, so being stuck with them to this day without any change up probably would have gotten me to give up on the franchise.
Agreed Vivillion even has the cool thing of different regional patterns so they can even just add more if they bring it back.
Who says that they have to do that though? You're forgetting that GF can take inspiration from many species of a bird/rat. After all, we don't have just ONE type of bird or ONE type of rat in a given location here in real life. If Game Freak did what you suggested, then we would never have birds like the Starly line, the Fletchling line, etc. Or better yet, they don't always have to do a bird/rat template per generation. They can do something new.
Well the TPC has been pandering Gen 1 since Generation 6 with X/Y. The Kanto starters were available in that game rather easily. Then we got Mega-Evolutions, with two Gen 1 Pokemon receiving two distinct Megas.
Then came Gen 7 with the Aloha forms of Kanto Pokemon.
Then came PLGPE which was the second Gen 1 remake.
Then came Gen 7 with the Aloha forms of Kanto Pokemon.
Then came PLGPE which was the second Gen 1 remake.
You mean since Gen 2 with returning to Kanto.
Then gen 3 with a remake of Gen 1.
Then Gen 4 with a remake of Gen 2 where you also get the original starters.
Black and White is basically a Gen 1 reboot. And then we arrive at Gen 6.
Gen 1 is never going away.
LOL. Good point. I loved Gen V, but it was funny seeing all the Gen 1 analogs there too.
They aren't the same and you know it.
- GSC was a sequel that Game Freak intended as being the continuation of RBG. This would be like saying because Dragon Quest 2/3 was built off of Dragon Quest 1 that it means Enix was pandering to DQ1 fans, when clearly, that wasn't the case.
- FRLG was intentionally developed in response to RBY aging like milk and due to the shift from the DV system to the IV system, they needed a way to bring in more Gen I Pokemon into Gen III.
- HGSS was also intentionally developed for the same reasons as FRLG, but because people had issues with batteries drying and they wanted to modernize the game. The starters you're referring to was an extra reward you get for beating Red, and considering that HGSS is a remake of Gen II and a sequel to Gen I, this makes sense. Don't try to act like this is on the same level as Kantobaiting that goes on in XY and SM.
- Black and White???????? Now this one of all makes the least sense. There's no Kanto references and it's a game that stands on its own compared to XY, and SM. The only reason you're saying this is because you want to force a comparison between the Dex quality and its similarity to Gen I, which I would argue by saying that in terms of power and design, they aren't as similar as you think.
Generation 1 pandering is always going to be involved in the marketing it just makes sense considering that era was the franchise's peak in terms of sales and cultural penetration. The real question is how subtle will it be. The franchise runs the gambit on that end.
EDIT: Misread thread title, I imagine it'd be implemented with free gen 1 starter mons in the post-game like HGSS in response to fan backlash.
EDIT: Misread thread title, I imagine it'd be implemented with free gen 1 starter mons in the post-game like HGSS in response to fan backlash.
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Gen 1 has always and will always have a presence in every other generation, I really don't take this genwunners vs antigen1boiz war seriously enough to get deeper into this argument than that, much less to sit here and listen to accusations of hidden motives or disengenuous arguments... Yep it's not the same and I know it, you got me nvm @ everything none of those gen 1 inclusions count toward your arbitrary threshold of the bluntly obviously biased verbiage you are referring to as "pandering" so I guess you were right all along, it's actually not even up to opinions, gen 1 is too much now, some things are clearly pandering and the things you like and personally consider to be well reasoned are not.. I almost got you w my fake argument tho!
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listen man all I know is that there are jellyfish Pokemon in both so I'll leave it up to you as to whether that's a coincidence
I think Let's Go may have been the inclusion for this Gen. If its not that, I could see them doing a digimon style fusion for the gen 1's
