The thing is when you do it one time, then yeah you're playing to the series' roots. But when you do it consistently, it gets to the point where it's tiring and cynical. For instance, in XY, you had an entire forest that basically a copypaste job of Viridian Forest from the layout of the area, all the way down to the distribution of Pokemon from RBY in the area, and then you get the Kanto starters (which kind of takes away from Kalos's starters). To all of the smaller things like Mewtwo/one of the Bird Trio being catchable, the distribution of early game being remarkably similar to RBY (beyond just the forest).
So when it came down to Pokemon Sun and Moon coming out, people (including myself) were excited for something fresh, but then we got Alola variants being exclusively for Kanto Pokemon. And then we got Pokemon distribution favouring Kanto Pokemon, the addition of Red and Blue (compare this to Black 2 and White 2 getting every gym leader from Gen I to IV as well as Elite 4 champions), a ton of references in dialogue like Lillie referencing going to Kanto.
Like at a certain point, it starts to hurt the identity of a Pokemon game if you keep chasing every Gen I reference. And it's really strange because Game Freak was never so reliant on Gen I in each subsequent Gen before VI and each of these games were allowed to stand on their own legs. Considering that each Pokemon game means that a new person is going to be part of the franchise, there's really no need to keep chasing after that one lapsed fan who is over the series and thinks only Gen I is relevant.
Pretty much this. They NEED to give it a rest. There is plenty of pandering they could even do for all the other past gens being there are literal millions of people who grew up on those generations as well. My younger cousin would probably be REALLY happy if they pandered to Gen 4. It seems so strange to chase the past so hard for so long when its clear Gen 1 isn't what sells that many more copies of Pokemon. There was a decline up until Gen 4 and 5 and in my opinion 4 and 5 are the best in the series.The thing is when you do it one time, then yeah you're playing to the series' roots. But when you do it consistently, it gets to the point where it's tiring and cynical. For instance, in XY, you had an entire forest that basically a copypaste job of Viridian Forest from the layout of the area, all the way down to the distribution of Pokemon from RBY in the area, and then you get the Kanto starters (which kind of takes away from Kalos's starters). To all of the smaller things like Mewtwo/one of the Bird Trio being catchable, the distribution of early game being remarkably similar to RBY (beyond just the forest).
So when it came down to Pokemon Sun and Moon coming out, people (including myself) were excited for something fresh, but then we got Alola variants being exclusively for Kanto Pokemon. And then we got Pokemon distribution favouring Kanto Pokemon, the addition of Red and Blue (compare this to Black 2 and White 2 getting every gym leader from Gen I to IV as well as Elite 4 champions), a ton of references in dialogue like Lillie referencing going to Kanto.
Like at a certain point, it starts to hurt the identity of a Pokemon game if you keep chasing every Gen I reference. And it's really strange because Game Freak was never so reliant on Gen I in each subsequent Gen before VI and each of these games were allowed to stand on their own legs. Considering that each Pokemon game means that a new person is going to be part of the franchise, there's really no need to keep chasing after that one lapsed fan who is over the series and thinks only Gen I is relevant.
Pidgey isn't inherently less threatening that could show up on a first route is it?Because Pidgey is established shorthand for a weak, non-threatening Pokémon?
It does when the first thing you always have to see is it instead of something new to that generation. Locking encounters is silly either way.I don't think anyone thinks Pidgey overshadows the new monsters.
Of course not, but then again you have to separate things that are just apart of the world versus things from Gen 1 exclusively.This is what I mean by potentially anything from the original games being seen by somebody somewhere as "nostalgia pandering." Is a Poké Ball being red and white "pandering"?
Personally I wouldn't want them to reinvent the wheel and put an unPidgey and an unRatatta in each game. That just bloats the Pokédex without adding real variety. It's okay to just use Pidgey and Ratatta.
Speaking of X/Y in a world where Vivillon exists, please don't give me anymore Caterpie
Personally I wouldn't want them to reinvent the wheel and put an unPidgey and an unRatatta in each game. That just bloats the Pokédex without adding real variety. It's okay to just use Pidgey and Ratatta.
You mean since Gen 2 with returning to Kanto.Well the TPC has been pandering Gen 1 since Generation 6 with X/Y. The Kanto starters were available in that game rather easily. Then we got Mega-Evolutions, with two Gen 1 Pokemon receiving two distinct Megas.
Then came Gen 7 with the Aloha forms of Kanto Pokemon.
Then came PLGPE which was the second Gen 1 remake.
LOL. Good point. I loved Gen V, but it was funny seeing all the Gen 1 analogs there too.You mean since Gen 2 with returning to Kanto.
Then gen 3 with a remake of Gen 1.
Then Gen 4 with a remake of Gen 2 where you also get the original starters.
Black and White is basically a Gen 1 reboot. And then we arrive at Gen 6.
Gen 1 is never going away.
You mean since Gen 2 with returning to Kanto.
Then gen 3 with a remake of Gen 1.
Then Gen 4 with a remake of Gen 2 where you also get the original starters.
Black and White is basically a Gen 1 reboot. And then we arrive at Gen 6.
Gen 1 is never going away.
Gen 1 has always and will always have a presence in every other generation, I really don't take this genwunners vs antigen1boiz war seriously enough to get deeper into this argument than that, much less to sit here and listen to accusations of hidden motives or disengenuous arguments... Yep it's not the same and I know it, you got me nvm @ everything none of those gen 1 inclusions count toward your arbitrary threshold of the bluntly obviously biased verbiage you are referring to as "pandering" so I guess you were right all along, it's actually not even up to opinions, gen 1 is too much now, some things are clearly pandering and the things you like and personally consider to be well reasoned are not.. I almost got you w my fake argument tho!They aren't the same and you know it.
- GSC was a sequel that Game Freak intended as being the continuation of RBG. This would be like saying because Dragon Quest 2/3 was built off of Dragon Quest 1 that it means Enix was pandering to DQ1 fans, when clearly, that wasn't the case.
- FRLG was intentionally developed in response to RBY aging like milk and due to the shift from the DV system to the IV system, they needed a way to bring in more Gen I Pokemon into Gen III.
- HGSS was also intentionally developed for the same reasons as FRLG, but because people had issues with batteries drying and they wanted to modernize the game. The starters you're referring to was an extra reward you get for beating Red, and considering that HGSS is a remake of Gen II and a sequel to Gen I, this makes sense. Don't try to act like this is on the same level as Kantobaiting that goes on in XY and SM.
- Black and White???????? Now this one of all makes the least sense. There's no Kanto references and it's a game that stands on its own compared to XY, and SM. The only reason you're saying this is because you want to force a comparison between the Dex quality and its similarity to Gen I, which I would argue by saying that in terms of power and design, they aren't as similar as you think.
Black and White???????? Now this one of all makes the least sense. There's no Kanto references and it's a game that stands on its own compared to XY, and SM. The only reason you're saying this is because you want to force a comparison between the Dex quality and its similarity to Gen I, which I would argue by saying that in terms of power and design, they aren't as similar as you think.
This just made me sick lolGen 8 will have a new region and Pokemon but the starters will be the kanto ones...