How live-streamed $375k deal for Pokémon cards ended in disaster

Oct 26, 2017
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Via The Guardian:
It had been billed as a record-breaking deal that would make serious investors covet 20-year-old trading cards featuring pictures of cartoon monsters.
Instead, a $375,000 (£287,000) cash transaction ended in disaster on Tuesday, when the buyer opened a sealed box that was supposed to be full of rare first-edition Pokémon cards live on YouTube – and found that the contents had been faked.
Confused? So was Chris Camillo, a “social arbitrage investor” and one of the hosts of a YouTube channel called “Dumb Money”. He said he had decided on the deal after watching the market for the Pokémon trading card game rocket in the last year and concluding that the appetite for nostalgic collectibles was not a bubble, but a serious new opportunity for long-term profit.

His confidence was helped in part by eye-watering purchases by celebrities such as the internet personality Logan Paul and rapper Logic, who paid $226,000 (£173,000) for a single card, a pristine 1999 “Charizard”, earlier this month.

The three sellers were led by Jake Greenbaum, a “blockchain entrepreneur” who uses the Twitter handle JBTheCryptoKing and was billed as Logan Paul’s “personal Pokémon consultant”. The group had themselves bought the box, which was meant to contain 36 unopened “booster” packs and a total of 396 cards, from an unnamed third party and flown to Dallas, Texas, to complete the deal.

They had asked to be paid in cash, Camillo said, and so a silver briefcase full of $100 bills sat on the table in front of the group during a live YouTube broadcast. The idea was to check on the contents, hand over the money, and sell the cards next year to benefit charity.

But a mood of anticipation as the box was opened quickly turned to bewilderment: at some point, the hoped-for rarities had been removed and replaced with filler sets that were commonplace, damaged, or otherwise worthless.
I wasn't sure whether to post this on the gaming side or the other but here we are.

And check the contents before you hand over the money. Anyone whose ever used Craigslist knows this.

Lock if old.
 

defaltoption

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Oct 27, 2017
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So the transaction wasn’t completed right? He didn’t get away with it or did he?

Also get tf outta here with asking for all cash, I would’ve called it being fake right there. You’re not going to get scammed live for 375,000 after being flown in by famous YouTubers. There’s zero chance that they’d get away with that. So you’d be just fine getting paid in much safer ways.
 

robotrock

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Oct 25, 2017
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So they weren't fake Pokemon cards, just non-first edition cards that got swapped in on a box that's supposed to be factory sealed?
 

Aurc

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Oct 28, 2017
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This is separate from the issue at hand, but if you're paying nearly 400k for some cards, shouldn't you at least wear gloves when handling that box and those packs?
 

Jawmuncher

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So the transaction wasn’t completed right? He didn’t get away with it or did he?

Also get tf outta here with asking for all cash, I would’ve called it being fake right there. You’re not going to get scammed live for 375,000 after being flown in by famous YouTubers. There’s zero chance that they’d get away with that. So you’d be just fine getting paid in much safer ways.
Watched more of the video. They called the seller and he said he had two other "Sealed" boxes and one of the dudes were gonna go and get both and bring them. So I guess we'll find out next time.
 

Ravager777

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Seems pretty sketchy to me, if you're spending that much money to open the booster packs you gotta be a die hard fan .... These reactions seem really off with that in mind. No yelling, no crying ... I think it is just a fake video for views.
 

robotrock

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I thought I hated the bald guy so I looked him up online and I guess he calls himself the Crypto King and now I definitely hate him
 

Edward

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Seems pretty sketchy to me, if you're spending that much money to open the booster packs you gotta be a die hard fan .... These reactions seem really off with that in mind. No yelling, no crying ... I think it is just a fake video for views.
It's not a uncommon thing for high-end TCG products to be re-sealed or fake. This happens way, way, way more often than people think especially with Pokemon products.

I only buy locally from shops i have been doing business with for 20 years and only buys singles person-person after i inspect them. For both Pokemon and MTG. Is it fake? could be but it't not entirely out of the realm of possibly. I've seen people someone get shafted 100k from a single MTG card. A few people opening dud re-sealed vintage MTG and Pokemon products. I never touch facebook groups, online groups or ebay when it comes to any kind of expensive products.
 

Wulfric

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Oct 25, 2017
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Pokemon TCG is blowing up way too fast for it's own good.

There's only so many vintage boxes to go around. Same thing already happened with sealed 90s Magic. Most of it ends up in the hands of a few dozen dealers.
 

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Seems pretty sketchy to me, if you're spending that much money to open the booster packs you gotta be a die hard fan .... These reactions seem really off with that in mind. No yelling, no crying ... I think it is just a fake video for views.
Uh, I disagree. These are money people. They are doing this as an investment, not as part of their fandom.

Not that it means this is true and not faked, but I don't feel these people need to have any care for the cards themselves beyond their monetary value.
 

Serebii

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Oct 24, 2017
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This whole push for Pokémon TCG as an investment lately is really sad to me.

The TCG is so fun to play

It's also making newer stuff harder to find because you have people buying out entire stock hoping to get that one "money" card.
 

Calverz

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Oct 28, 2017
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I remember back in the day one of my mates got charizard twice. I ended up with one of them. Pretty sure they were all binned years ago at my parents house. Small chance they could be sitting in a tin in the attic though.....
 

tadaima

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This whole push for Pokémon TCG as an investment lately is really sad to me.

The TCG is so fun to play

It's also making newer stuff harder to find because you have people buying out entire stock hoping to get that one "money" card.
It's time for a new Pokémon Trading Card Game (Game Boy) for Switch. You can choose certain eras to play. One can dream...
 

Ravager777

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Jan 1, 2018
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Uh, I disagree. These are money people. They are doing this as an investment, not as part of their fandom.

Not that it means this is true and not faked, but I don't feel these people need to have any care for the cards themselves beyond their monetary value.
Just seems so weird to me to invest in Pokémon cards. Spending so much money hoping to get some rare cards and also banking on that these cards will have long term value ... if you wanna invest money, why not just invest in stock market
 

Joey Ravn

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Just seems so weird to me to invest in Pokémon cards. Spending so much money hoping to get some rare cards and also banking on that these cards will have long term value ... if you wanna invest money, why not just invest in stock market
In the video most of them come from the "crypto" world. One claims to apply the same rules for crypto trading to these kinds of products.

I guess it's people with too much money investing on things that, for most people, are extremely mundane.
 
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I dunno, spending that kind of money to make an enthusiast hobby into some kind of commodity or investment is fucking stupid to me. Just flip houses or buy stocks if you have that kind of money to throw around.

Of course the account is called Dumb Money so I guess this is his niche, lol.
 

Ravager777

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In the video most of them come from the "crypto" world. One claims to apply the same rules for crypto trading to these kinds of products.

I guess it's people with too much money investing on things that, for most people, are extremely mundane.
Right. Seems so wasteful, I would rather they spend the money on fighting poverty and providing medical aid to those in need but I guess that is not as "click-worthy" as this.
 

dunkzilla

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Dec 13, 2018
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Yeah only base edition 1st cards. With perfect centering and shadowless. If you had 3 of the normal shiny ones you looking at 400 max per card
ah ok, thanks. damn still though. I'd take 1200 without even thinking haha. I had a huge collection of the base set. couldn't tell you now if they were shadowless.
 

sumo

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When I heard about pokemon cards going for crazy money recently at first I was annoyed that all mine ended up probably in a bin or sold at a car boot sale years ago, but actually I don't think the really valuable ones ever even made it to the UK and if they did there's no way my parents were an early enough adopter to get them.