always like when the words "arrogant" and "ignorant" are thrown around in regards to America/Americans, because threads like this are great demonstrations that Europeans can be just as ignorant and arrogant.
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How Much Does The Rest of the World Dislike Americans?
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Could you be a little more condescending? And no, not every country has the same "complicated history". Nobody today cares that the Swedes raided the coasts of Europe in the 10th century. We're talking about American violence to people still living and how that shapes the world's perception of the USA.
You forgot one paradox: science and other intellectual pursuits. The US has incredible homegrown brains (and foreign brains from the brain drain, true) and talents, yet at the same time some of the stupidest, most backwards-thinking people imaginable. I'm from France, and we've got our fair share of idiots to be sure, but in what universe does a president or prime minister get away with the kind of childish, asinine tweets Donald Trump gets a pass for? Everytime he tweets something, I'm like "even our dumbest politicians would never write this at any time, let alone if they were president". But I guess speaking to the uneducated in the most... uneducated way possible is an effective strategy. Personally I just call that demagogy of the most shameless order, but whatever.
If that is what you find condescending, then I feel bad for you *shrugs*
Sorry, but if people are going to make really insulting generalizations and insults to to its people. And also my experience that the Era bubble is hardly representative of anything. And yes, almost every country does. And after America, another will take its place and so on and so on.
But if posters are going to insult with gross generalizations of Americans instead of its issues with the administration, then this thread is pointless and needs to be moderated better.
You are the one claiming that America is great. I don't see what's so great about all those things I mentioned. The one that holds a naive view of the world is you.
I love how you react with a condescending response like that. Amazing.
I agree that people can be too harsh on Americans, but I'd hardly call the place great in its current state. The government, police violence, homicide rates and gun violence, medical system, workers rights, there is so much bad stuff there.
How awful does a place have to be before it stops being great?
I think its best to ask Black people that have spent substantial time in both the US and other White majority nations for the comparison.
Racism manifests itself differently depending on the locality, and which place is "worse" may not always be the intuitive answer. European institutions may not be as violent as US ones but I'm sure the daily normalized subtleties and negativity that comes with being Black in a White nation will be similar.
This tbh.
To answer the thread question, it's very hard to look at nearly 50% of Americans voting for Trump and coming away from that with "it's just the government, not the people!".
Another thing that gets me is the insane patriotism that I don't think anywhere else in the world comes close to matching. As someone living in the UK, we have a fair amount of that ourselves, but we luckily have a good chunk of others who moan and complain about it to balance it out.
I don't dislike Americans generally on principle or anything; I have some family there and I've visited multiple times, and it's always been very lovely, both in the people we meet and in the scenery (NC is stunning). I also know some lovely people online from the US. Though there is a huge list of problems that others have pointed out in this thread, and you can't help but come to the conclusion that America is so backwards on a lot of policies and beliefs, it's kind of ridiculous.
Rally 'round the flag effect. Truly highlights American arrogance. I want America to burn to the ground just as much as I want China and Russia to burn.
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So you want 20-25% of the world to burn. That's charming.
that post is a pretty good example of the "arrogance and ignorance" he was trying to accuse America of.
No, I don't want them to actually suffer burns. I just wouldn't miss a world where these countries fell into irrelevancy.
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In reference to rally 'round the flag. You are comparing my post to (not all!) American fanaticism. Of course, I never made mention of ignorance.
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you are the one who literally said he wanted America to burn to the ground, apparently based around some "rally around the flag" effect(whatever that is). Don't you see how irrational that is? I don't know what kind of fanaticism that is but it's just as unhealthy if not more so than "American fanaticism".
also you are definitely being as arrogant right now as you say Americans are. Ignorant as well.
you are the one who literally said he wanted America to burn to the ground, apparently based around some "rally around the flag" effect(whatever that is). Don't you see how irrational that is? I don't know what kind of fanaticism that is but it's just as unhealthy if not more so than "American fanaticism".
also you are definitely being as arrogant right now as you say Americans are. Ignorant as well.
Again, I'm talking figuratively. I'm not calling for the mass extermination of a populace.
well maybe think about the things you say before you say them, which is what my point about you being arrogant is referring to. Especially when you say things as extreme as that.
I'm pretty sure most non-Americans forget that American minorities getting fucked by this country exist and didn't ask to be treated like dirt
Not enough to change them, people need to stop buying American things, then maybe America will wisen up to their stupidity.
Yeah, OP you're taking this shit way too personally. You didn't cause any of the issues you listed so stop acting like it's your fault they exist. Hell, the typical American citizen can't even be held responsible for Trump; that one's on the Electoral College to a large extent.
Plenty of people hate plenty of countries/governments without actually hating the people that live there. There's a big difference between the two.
Not in the top 15 of "per country per head", though, if you want to adjust for size. I mean, not that it matters either way, but this ranking really changes a lot depending on how you view it.
Dont worry. Been here 18 years and havent been killed by a cop thus far or a crazy
It's not condescending. Just appropriate response to knee jerk or immature responses I am seeing here. There;s imperfect stuff here, for sure, doesn't make it not a great country overall. A lot of what you mention is also a bit hyperbolic the way you're making it seem. It's pretty safe overall.
Okay. Get Back to me when you start speaking and behaving like an adult instead of a child.
I on the other hand have been to the US three times for 2-weeks-long trips and was killed on more than one occassion, so I have to say that poster's fears aren't entirely unfounded
I dont dislike america as a whole. Only the idiots who vote for politicians that are downright insane, or behave like it at the least. It's no different than how I also dislike the idiots in my own country that vote for the far right political parties. The difference is that actions of the american idiots impact the world far more than the idiots in my own tiny country of Denmark.
It'd be interesting to hear what people think of Italians considering what a shit show their politicians are.
Example A of "The Ignorant American" ladies and gentlemen.
I'm an American as well, and although there are great things about America, this attitude is not one of them.
I am fine with most everyday Americans. Like all countries it is the assholes I do not like, that currently includes your current administration.
I don't dislike American people. I've travelled to and have had great times in the US. particularly in California and NYC.
I do dislike the American government and some of the cultural traits that are very obnoxious: "AMERICA IS #1 (except when showing hard facts but I screamed it so it must be true)!"
I do dislike the American government and some of the cultural traits that are very obnoxious: "AMERICA IS #1 (except when showing hard facts but I screamed it so it must be true)!"
I'm fine with American people in general. Most are normal people that you'd find anywhere. The current administration and its supporters are fucking disgusting, but I don't assume that the average American subscribes to that shit.
It's the ones that loudly proclaim stereotypical American attitudes that bother me. The ones that loudly talk about how they're the best and that they're always right because they're American, or think that saying "yeah, but the US army can kick your country's ass" is a valid counterargument to any disagreement. But again, I recognize that those are the minority, and that the average American that I meet on the street isn't like that.
It's the ones that loudly proclaim stereotypical American attitudes that bother me. The ones that loudly talk about how they're the best and that they're always right because they're American, or think that saying "yeah, but the US army can kick your country's ass" is a valid counterargument to any disagreement. But again, I recognize that those are the minority, and that the average American that I meet on the street isn't like that.
Great post. All the people in this thread assuming people must hate the US because of Trump really show their ignorance of the outside world. The amount of vile shit the US has done in the past and that is never even acknowledged or discussed in an official capacity is really disturbing. I'm not going to hate on Kaepernick but the fact people are basically taking a knee over Trump is almost as hilarious as the existential crisis this apparently causes in your over-the-top nationalist society. I can think of a hundred better reasons not to want to stand for the American anthem.
Shit. I know a guy that was killed 4 times by the same damn trigger happy cop.
People/Kaepernick weren't taking a knee over Trump. They're taking a knee to protest racial injustice and the killing of black Americans by police. Trump is just another consequence of a much broader and ingrained issue