'How Your Kids Can Ruin Your Retirement'

Lonely1

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Bill Benson and his wife had planned to fortify their retirement savings once their children left home, so they’d have enough to travel and relax. But at 68, Benson is still working full-time, and that empty nest he envisioned isn’t so empty. Benson’s eldest daughter moved home with her two young sons after a divorce, and the two children he and his wife adopted later in life are just now finishing high school and starting college.

Along the way, Benson exhausted a federal pension to pay for one son’s special needs, and he expects to keep supporting that son, as well as his grandsons, now ages 3 and 5, through retirement—whenever that may come. “It’s nose to the grindstone,” says Benson, who consults full-time on aging policy. “We had to make choices to spend on our kids—because you have to do that. I guess it’s a crazy modern family, but we also know we are fortunate, with decent jobs and good incomes.”

Benson’s situation illustrates one of the biggest threats to your retirement—your kids. And it’s not just about the high cost of college. Parents have long tried to set up their children for success, but today that assistance is costing ever more, and lasting far longer. The cost of a four-year private college averages $48,500 a year, double what it did in the late 1980s. And financial independence is increasingly delayed. About 15% of 25- to 35-year-olds were living at home in 2016, based on a Pew Research report. That’s five percentage points higher than the share of Generation Xers living at home when they were the same age, and almost double the share of today’s older retirees who were in the same situation years ago.

Nearly 80% of parents give some financial support to their adult children—to the tune of $500 billion a year, according to estimates by consulting firm Age Wave. That’s twice what parents put into retirement accounts, according to a 2018 survey from Bank of America Merrill Lynch and Age Wave. Almost three-quarters of respondents acknowledged putting their children’s interests ahead of their own retirement needs.


For those intent on helping their adult offspring, financial advisors stress running the numbers and bringing the children into the conversation, so they can see what their parents can afford, reducing the guilt some parents feel for saying no. “When money and emotions mix, parents don’t make decisions in their best interest,” says Edythe De Marco, a financial advisor for Merrill Lynch. “Oftentimes, parents get into financial hot water because talking about money has never been that common.”
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Are you or known someone in that situation!?
 

Mercurial

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More at the Source.

Are you or known someone in that situation!?
My father is working full-time despite having retired while my mother takes care of my niece. My sister is chronically irresponsible and has been diagnosed with BPD. She's pretty much perpetually in trouble with the law and lies about as casually as most people breathe. I'm not even convinced she knows she's lying.

So anyway, here's Wonderwall.
 

LegendofJoe

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This is why I laugh at people that are angry about parental tax benefits.

Like have you even casually glanced at the cost of raising children lately? You are far, far better off financially without children. And you still want to take the meager tax benefits that parents receive away?

The ironic thing is some of these very same people lament that fewer white children are being born. The level of moronic selfishness they display is astounding.
 
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MrKlaw

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Dear my children - if you have difficulty affording a home of your own i’m Happy to have you live with us for a while. Even happy to babysit now and then. But i’m not raising your kids for you and you can pay your way at least covering extra food/utilities bills so you aren’t costing me a ton in my retirement
 

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The cost of having kids sure does seem high.
It's crazy expensive when you add up everything like: daycare, health care (extra premiums and copays), feeding extra mouths, clothing them, needing a bigger place with more bedrooms, extra tickets to events, flights etc., college/education and on and on.

Thankfully I never remotely wanted kids and never gave in on that and eventually found and awesome woman of the same mind by my mid 30s. Couldn't be happier. That DINK lifestyle and expendable income is glorious. More power to the people who love kids and wouldn't do live without them though! To each, their own.
 

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Why are they citing private colleges? More than likely, there is a perfectly capable public school close by too. 20k-25k total cost of attendance including housing yearly vs 45-50k. If they’re actually staying home, costs are closer to 5-15k yearly.
 

smurfx

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yeah for a lot of older folks "retirement" basically just means supplemental income while they work full time. at the very least they get that assistance along with medicare. who knows what social security or medicare will look like in 30-40 years from now if they even exist anymore.
 

LL_Decitrig

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Both of our adult kids live with us now. Actually it works out very well. Extended families used to be a thing.

We paid off our debts when we sold our London house and moved back to our home town. If we were living in America our combined healthcare needs would have wiped us out long ago. We'd be living in cardboard boxes and queuing up at soup kitchens. Instead we are comfortable and have no serious financial worries. We don't even have any credit card debt.
 
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Instro

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I've been feeling bad about this lately, because I'm going to be relying on my parents, and my wife's parents, for childcare in the near future. Like it's kind of fucked up, but it will save us a ton of money to be able to drop our daughter off at one of their home's during the week.
 

Trojita

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The example in the OP is kind of atypical. All kudos to them for adopting late in life and working to the grindstone to support them, but that + one being special needs + pretty much supporting your daughters kids too isn't going to be the average story.
 

Hypron

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Paying for your kids to go to those 50k/year colleges if you're not super well off just seems crazy to me. Let them go to community college (and maybe transfer towards the end). Hell, it'd be cheaper to have them go to university overseas in Europe or something, even if they have to pay international student fees.
 

Dead Guy

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Good thing I never plan on having kids.

I don't expect to have much of a retirement anyway though with how things are going right now. Hell I'm not sure if I'll ever own a house even.
 
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The example in the OP is kind of atypical. All kudos to them for adopting late in life and working to the grindstone to support them, but that + one being special needs + pretty much supporting your daughters kids too isn't going to be the average story.
Yeah this is about as "average" as that 500k a year couple article.

My parents are both retired and have a total empty next. Mom wants to adopt now and dad wants to un-retire and work again because their both bored, lol.
 

CrankyJay

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Millennials: Don’t lump us all together and hate on us.

Also millennials: Eat shit Baby Boomers!
 

SugarNoodles

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Millennials: Don’t lump us all together and hate on us.

Also millennials: Eat shit Baby Boomers!
I think the point is going over your head. Millennials aren’t mad because they’re being generalized. They’re mad because the generalizations are basically just deflections by baby boomers that don’t want to accept responsibility for how badly they screwed things up.
 

CrankyJay

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I think the point is going over your head. Millennials aren’t mad because they’re being generalized. They’re mad because the generalizations are basically just deflections by baby boomers that don’t want to accept responsibility for how badly they screwed things up.
It’s not like a generation of people elect representatives like a union. Who is they? An entire generation?
 
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Baby Boomers 40+ years ago: "let's get rid of this socialist welfare state; all of these lazy welfare queens..."

Baby Boomers now: "why are my kids/grand kids bankrupting my retirement funds? I can't piece this together..."
 

Pwnz

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If your daughter moves back in when you are 68 with 2 kids, I would expect her to work and handle all non housing expenses. We would watch the grandkids.
 

JustSurvive

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and the two children he and his wife adopted later in life are just now finishing high school and starting college.
While it is incredibly noble to adopt children, maybe don't do it in your 50s? Also, does the mother of the children work? Where is the dad in this scenario, or even child support?
 

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Honestly this is one of the reasons we’ve stopped at 1. We are pretty much tapped, even with what most would consider a pretty decent income. I had planned on retiring early, until costs associated with my son’s special needs started becoming part of the equation. Not knowing how or if he will be able to support himself has pushed my retirement plans back about 15 years currently. I have no idea how people with three or four kids are doing it or planning for the future.