HSBC issued an alarming warning that Earth is running out of the resources to sustain life
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People will never vote for a change of society if it harms their direct lives. Never.
And politicians who want to get elected won't have the strength to go against the will of the people.
Who said kill? How about getting people to procreate less while in the meantime we use less resources? That way future people if we have less people can live better.
Personally I think every problem can be traced to overpopulation. And even if we can do other stuff reducing our population ultimately is the best way. We don't need this many people on earth. Why not try to reduce it and that doesn't have to be kill everyone. But make the birth rate a lot smaller.
The problem is that this very quickly becomes a question of who is purged, you don't think with the horrible rise of the right that's been sweeping throughout the world, this wouldn't immediately be drawn down to racial lines?
Even who is chosen not to procreate would likely fall under the same lines.
I'm 42 so hopefully I'll be gone before the shit hits the fan.
How about a virus that causes guys to lose their sex drive after having sex once? Seems like a fair compromise.
Then you better read this article and see where this imbalance is taking us in China and India. Could very well be the main cause of WW3 if it happens. It is sobering stuff.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/grap...any-men/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.0206f7eb851e
Unlike rapid climate change and massive population growth this is pretty much pure speculation.
WW3 may or may not happen one day but we're sure as hell fucking up this planet right now.
People all over the world have voted in favor of sustainability and will continue to do so.
Expansion out to space is a solution I am hoping humanity will look into more
I'm not trying to scare with the WW3 mention, that was just speculation. But if you don't think that literally tens of millions of future "incels" wont be a problem, or a big political driving factor, you should think again.
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¯\_(ツ)_/¯ another reason not to bring a kid into this world. Shame, I wanted my son to be a King of the world, no point if there is no world to rule.
Lol space. If we had the technology to terraform anything with a net positive effect on our survival, we could just as well... terraform earth back to a sustainable state? Btw you can't lower the amount of people we will end up with. Simple video on the subject:
Let me know if it has been debunked, but otherwise much of the discussion ITT (i.e expanding to space and lowering our population count by having less children or whatever) is irrelevant unless you are prepared to start murdering people or something?
Let me know if it has been debunked, but otherwise much of the discussion ITT (i.e expanding to space and lowering our population count by having less children or whatever) is irrelevant unless you are prepared to start murdering people or something?
People can vote for whatever they want. The steps being taken by the world's governments are all too little too late. I have zero faith they can deliver on any promises made to anyone other than the largest corporations in their respective countries.
Costa Rica gets 98% of it's energy from renewables. If they can do it then so can everyone else.
I'm well aware of that and I think it already is a massive problem right now. But what are the options? It's not like we can reverse the trend.
These projections are wrong, IIRC? As developing countries are elevated into 'developed' countries, birth rates start falling and keep falling. They're expected to stabilise, IIRC, at 12 billion.
The two factors that could break this prediction, however, are religion and medical breakthroughs that would prolong life.
And as others have pointed out it's overconsumption culture and inefficiency that really does the damage.
Well at some point something is going to give, the human population isn't going to go away but at some point a lack of resources, combined with extreme heat combined is going to wipe out a large percentage of the worldwide population
It looks like everything they wrote about ins 1972s limits to growth seems to be holding true:
This graph is from computer models in 1972, think about that.
It looks like everything they wrote about ins 1972s limits to growth seems to be holding true:
This graph is from computer models in 1972, think about that.
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Sure. But if we stopped emitting greenhouse gases, 100%, right now... we would still be absolutely fucked. Temperatures would continue to rise. Ice sheets would continue to melt. We would still see an increase of 5x what we've already experienced over the next few decades. (See here - and note that article is four years old.)
We're slowly, SLOWLY transitioning to renewable, sustainable energy around the world. If everyone sticks to the Paris Agreement numbers strictly, that will still take decades. We're already decades past the point of "we're fucked."
We should be on the "solve the problem" stage, not the "how do we stop making the problem worse" stage.
you know I want to agree with you. but this is obviously a massive oversimplification. doesn't take into account existing power demand, environmental factors (amount of sunlight for solar, amount of wind for turbines, etc etc) and of course it probably can't scale, since CR is tiny.
Agreed, well there still needs to be a strong push towards renewables, simply because non-renewables will run out at some point, we are already at the point of being fucked.
A lot more investment needs to go into taking that excess carbon out of the atmosphere, I know these types of projects are already getting green lit and seem to be working, getting it on the scale to save the planet is the issue.
That's more of an issue with places that make and sell food because the laws don't encourage trying to donate less than ideal food to places and people that could use it.
The article doesn't say we're doomed, it says that the negatively effects of climate change will still occur, but we can minimize the damage and mostly maintain our way of life if we start changing now.
I'm not saying we can't do more, but let's not pretend were all doomed and autocracy is all that can save us.
Except it can scale. We have the resources to move to renewables, and as batteries and solar cells improve we can do away with the electric grid all together.
They are not an industrial country and have a lot of hydraulic sources. Renewables are a way but being honest human population control is the best for the planet. In some places families should no be allowed to have more than one child, like China did or still does.
Nope! Doesn‘t sound fair! But if it was possible if every man could father only one child, that would be fine.
You don't even need government regulation limiting kids at this point. A good first step is stop paying people to have children through tax credits and subsidizing education/child care for the wealthy and having 100% covered birth control and vasectomy.
Capitalism is the most efficient system that distributes our resources
*resources efficiently distributed into oblivion*
Uh... it has pulled so many out of poverty
*resources efficiently distributed into oblivion*
Uh... it has pulled so many out of poverty
Why, because you assert it? I mean, on a technical level with 100% political will behind it, you will still have to account for places where solar isn’t effective, or wind insufficient, or lack of tidal turbine points... geothermal is extremely spotty... batteries are getting better but they all age out and require rare elements... and transmission loss is a thing. So I don’t think I believe that we’re already technically capable for our existing infrastructure.
Except population isn't the issue, consumption and production is.
Developed countries are incredibly wasteful, and reducing waste and finding more sustainable methods of production will help reduce carbon emissions.
The countries seeing high birth rates will see a drop off as quality of life improves.
China's one child policy was a massive humans rights violation. Glad they ended it.
It's cool guys the super rich are preparaed for this. There is no need to change anything. Please continue your work and consumption.
wait so is it saying we are going to get sent back to the pre-industrial age by 2100?Well at some point something is going to give, the human population isn't going to go away but at some point a lack of resources, combined with extreme heat combined is going to wipe out a large percentage of the worldwide population
It looks like everything they wrote about ins 1972s limits to growth seems to be holding true:
This graph is from computer models in 1972, think about that.
Yeah I remember reading a story, maybe it was in the McMafia Underworld book, not sure. anyway there was a couple in guangzhou who had two children. the woman had the audacity to say she was going to have a third and she didn't care who said otherwise, it was her body. you don't do this in China. so one night the police came while her husband was away and took her to a hospital and they had a doctor remove her uterus. completely legal. when he came back she told him what happened and he burst in tears (he was a low level local party guy, so instead of coming to the house while he was there they showed him "respect" by not doing it in his presence and making sure she had proper medical care after the sterilization.)
i believed that part because at least one thing i've learned when i did business in china, face/respect is everything to these people. it's an atheist country, all that is left is respect. in business, in politics...god help you if you tell someone "may you have no heir")
