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HuffPost: Warren to unveil plan for universal childcare

hydrophilic attack

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https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5c688f3ae4b01757c36c2511

this sounds like a pretty good plan
Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) will unveil a major new initiative on Tuesday designed to make sure every family can afford high-quality child care, according to several people who have heard about the proposal or seen material describing it in the past week.

The plan seeks to make access to child care universal, the sources told HuffPost, by offering federal funds to providers that offer care at their facilities on a sliding income scale.

No family would have to spend more than 7 percent of its household income on child care, no matter the number of kids. Families with incomes below twice the poverty line, which is roughly $50,000 a year for a family of four, would pay nothing.
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currently americans spend way too much of their income on childcare, so this would cause considerable relief to many families
As of 2017, married couple paid an average of 11 percent of their household income on child care, while single parents paid 37 percent, according to the research and advocacy organization Child Care Aware of America. And that figure masked enormous variation, depending on the community and type of care.
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this is a pretty big deal. universal childcare is one of the best ways to increase labour participation rates among women and in the long run will help decrease the gender pay gap. and it would just overall be a pretty big relief in ordinary people's lives
 
MechDX

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3 kids and I payed $6800 for daycare last year for one and that was the best price i could find that was licensed

This is way past due.
 
Inuhanyou

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a good step, along with bernie's paid medical and family leave plan, the safety net for women and parents in general will be increased significantly among these two among presidential candidates arguing bold action
 
Xiaomi

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Totally needed. My friends with kids spend an outrageous amount on childcare, and it's not an expense you can really lessen in any way as long as the parent/parents are working full-time.

Now about that national health insurance...
 

bickieditches

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I like the idea, but doesn't this just ensure that childcare prices (continue to) rise, aka just like college?
 
TarNaru33

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Honestly, I wonder if U.S have the professional manpower to do this. Not money, but actual manpower in the market.

I am sure more would be hired into the field if something like this pass though.
 
Orayn

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I predict all the 2020 dem candidates will run on a platform of "affordable" "access" to "quality" "childcare" for "some" people "maybe."

Anything resembling good policy will wither on the vine.
 
You Are Viewtiful

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bickieditches said:
I like the idea, but doesn't this just ensure that childcare prices (continue to) rise, aka just like college?
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Yes, subsidizing private childcare will lead to more waste. Taking gradual steps in expanding public daycare like free pre-school, pre-K and kindergarten can go a long way in reducing childcare costs and eventually set up a more efficient public system.
 
Powdered Egg

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I wonder how the Right will twist this. "Do we want socialist daycares where our children pledge to Hugo Chavez?"

Elizabeth needs to drill it to the rural folks.
 
jon bones

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it's too late for me and my kids, but future generations need not struggle with crippling childcare costs
 
Plinko

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Not a fan. Prices are going to balloon and it's going to look very costly very fast.
 
Jombie

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I'm sure all of those pro-lifers will do anything in their power to support poor, single mothers.
 
Dunlop

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It's been years since my kids were in daycare, but I always forget how cheap it is in Quebec ($7 a day)

Good luck, the rates posted above seem crazy
 
sprsk

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Plinko said:
Not a fan. Prices are going to balloon and it's going to look very costly very fast.
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It's already extremely costly for laughable service.

I literally paid 91 dollars a month for all day day care, 5 days a week in Japan. Here, under a thousand a month is considered cheap.
 
neon_dream

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tbh Warren is my personal favorite but I just don't know how electable she is.
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Me too. I like her a lot. She's smart, has good ideas on policy, and a good professional history. I'm worried that she's not energetic enough (very cold Massachusetts sort of persona). Also Trump has shown he'd be just as disgusting and dirty as he was with Hillary and his base will eat that up.
 
Swig

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I wonder what the scale looks like. I'm not sure if I would have kids right now, part of that is the cost, especially since my fiancee and I both want to continue working. I wonder if this would make it affordable or if it's mostly designed to help low income families. It's cool that it could happen either way. I don't know how people with lower incomes have kids and survive. I'm barely to the point that I would feel sort of comfortable having any kids and keeping up with my lifestyle (not that it's extravagant, but I like having a decent home and vehicle and being able to put money into savings/investments.. if I had a kid, that probably wouldn't happen and would make a huge long term effect on my finances)..
 
iksenpets

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Pro-family plans like this need to be a bigger thing, on par with healthcare and college tuition issues. Building a family is way too expensive right now, people are having far fewer children than they say they would like to have as a result, and declining fertility is going to wreck the country's finances an economy in another generation. Childcare, pre-k, and parental leave should all be universal, at a minimum.
 
Gaf Zombie

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Warren showing why she's my top pick. Were it not for my parents, I'd be paying $19000/yr for 1 child. Bananas.
 
Mr. Wonderful

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Inuhanyou said:
a good step, along with bernie's paid medical and family leave plan, the safety net for women and parents in general will be increased significantly among these two among presidential candidates arguing bold action
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It's a good step, but I would frankly have us start with some of those other things as a foundation and then build upon it with policies like this. (And please let me know if she's already pushing for this).

Paid parental leave and minimums for PTO would pay dividends for child-rearing, workforce participation, and quality of life, while benefitting the entirety of the population. It would also do a lot to satiate the unhappiness about the modern power imbalance between employees and corporations/the rich.
 
RDreamer

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bickieditches said:
I'm so sorry. Initially I read that as 6800 for all of them which sounds like a pretty good deal! But for just one? Yeesh.
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I read $6800 and thought damn that's actually cheap for one.

That's only $150 or so per week. Not sure how long this person is having their kid watched but that's not much. In other threads and talking to other parents plus pricing it out myself costs can go to like $20k+ per year.
 
Violence Jack

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$24,000 a year for my son to attend daycare. While I wouldn't qualify for it since my wife and I make too much, it would be great for low income families. What would be even better is universal childcare.
 
Thordinson

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A step in the right direction. I really like this plan. We need more safety nets and social programs in America.
 
LegendofJoe

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I pay a little over 24k a year for my two kids once you factor in semester fees. Thats over double the 7% of income figure this policy views as affordable. And I live in a low cost of living area.
 
Gashprex

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bickieditches said:
Random question - is summer care more or less expensive? More kids that need to be taken care of, but also probably an abundance of potential babysitters (teens in high school, I'm thinking)
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My kids (2 and 4) stay at the same daycare/school for summer and it's the same cost. As they get older, there are camps etc... that are slightly less expensive. Also, most public schools end 2:30 to 5pm and parents will have to pay extra for those afternoons.

If we didn't make good money, I don't see how it would really work honestly. I hope in any new tax plan they would take into account the huge costs of childcare until they are school age.
 
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