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Huge climate protest with students from > 120 countries and > 2000 cities skipping school has started

Nov 7, 2017
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They could also start by not buying a new phone ever year or two.
This post is so incredibly stupid I’m so many levels but thanks for sharing your incredibly insightful input with the rest of the class.

Not one day, no, but haven’t some of them said the’yre striking for longer than that?

Not that I’ve read. Regardless I doubt a few days off from school here and there will make any appreciable difference. Kids go to school for 12 years and hundreds of days each year, I’m sure they’ll have more days off sick then they will striking and neither make any difference to your overall learning.

Also these kids are showing a lot of initiative and are clearly putting a lot of thought into these strikes. I would argue they’re learning more by participating in events like this then they would on your average school day.
 
Nov 7, 2017
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Don't Walk out,
Walk in....to the voting both.

The Youth have so much power, they just refuse to use it because they cant see that each vote adds up...
By the time they figure it out, its too late, they are old and lose thier ideals and concede to the humdrum of life.


You want change? encourage every young person to feel passionate about voting.
These kids aren’t old enough to vote, that’s actually one of the points they’re making. Having said that voting is very important but that only gets you so far. No one in politics on the left or right are really going far enough so activism like this is still necessary.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Australia
Don't Walk out,
Walk in....to the voting both.

The Youth have so much power, they just refuse to use it because they cant see that each vote adds up...
By the time they figure it out, its too late, they are old and lose thier ideals and concede to the humdrum of life.


You want change? encourage every young person to feel passionate about voting.
None of these people (besides the few year 12 students ticking over to 18) are old enough to actually vote. They literally have to wait and in the interim, they're voicing their concerns as effectively as they possibly can. Are you arguing protests aren't an effective way to create political change? Voting is part of the process. Another part is trying to convince others to vote similarly to you. This is what protesting is for.

This thread is also largely made up of Australian protesters, in which voting is mandatory so you can bet your ass that when these people do have the opportunity to vote, they'll be doing so and doing so with great effect. Why not both?

Also these kids are showing a lot of initiative and are clearly putting a lot of thought into these strikes. I would argue they’re learning more by participating in events like this then they would on your average school day.
Yes exactly. By the look of a lot of their signs in Melbourne it almost seemed like they were class projects they worked on in school which is a great way to fuse education with real world issues. Schools (at least here in Australia) are often trying to find modern ways to keep school learning more immediate and less abstracted to keep students engaged. In high school, we had long term projects focusing on a variety of things like sustainability, city planning and group brainstorming exercises and I'd argue that similarly, taking a day (or three) off regular school to protest something like this is a healthy and educational engagement.
 
Not that I’ve read. Regardless I doubt a few days off from school here and there will make any appreciable difference. Kids go to school for 12 years and hundreds of days each year, I’m sure they’ll have more days off sick then they will striking and neither make any difference to your overall learning.

Also these kids are showing a lot of initiative and are clearly putting a lot of thought into these strikes. I would argue they’re learning more by participating in events like this then they would on your average school day.
The tag #fridaysforfuture derrives its name from Greta Thunberg’s call for striking on Fridays until in her case, Sweden aligns with the Paris Agreement.. and good for them doing it, shows they have learnt how severe the crisis is and
to put political responsibility and the system in focus...
 
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Oct 26, 2017
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Not one day, no, but haven’t some of them said the’yre striking for longer than that?
There have been protests in Germany and other parts of Europe every week since January.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fridays_for_Future#List_of_school_climate_strikes_by_country
Like Greta some of them participate every Friday.
A one time event or students striking on Sunday wouldn't get the same long lasting attention.
The fact that they are skipping school every Friday in growing numbers has lead to a lot of friction between students, parents, teachers, schools and lobby politicians in Germany.
You can witness how afraid the latter one's are by the constant nonsense attacks against these brave teenagers.
The result is that we now have scientists for future, parents for future and teachers for future groups.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Sounds like you're kicking ass at being a dad. Major props.
I'm trying, that's for sure. I'm raising 2 girls as a single dad. It's awesome, it's continual learning experience in so many ways.

Here's a pic of my daughter protesting today. She was the only one from her school who participated. I'm super proud of her, for standing up for what she believes in and she was willing to go solo.

From what I was told, she sparked a ton of discussion and questions from student's at the school. Climate change become the big talking point of the day. I was also told that older kids started protesting at lunch after seeing my daughter with her sign. Love the chain reaction she caused. 🤘🙌👏

 
Oct 25, 2017
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I went with a couple mates from uni yesterday to the Auckland climate strike and it was fantastic seeing other youths energized and using our political voice. Managed to nab a sign from a socialist group attending that said 'system change not climate change' which was neat.
 
Nov 21, 2017
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It's incredibly encouraging to see young people standing up for their future, because us adults are waaaay too responsible to do anything for them.

It's incredibly discouraging to see adults going tirelessly back to that bullshit "go back to school" "too young to protest" nonsense while doing nothing to help.

Sorry, we failed you, young people.
 
Oct 25, 2017
562
Australia
Unfortunately the politicians who don't care about the climate, also don't care about the schools.
Not trying to be hostile, but why does that matter? The thing politicians do care about are votes. And if I were a conservative politician and had any sense of self-preservation in the ongoing future, my ears would be perking right up knowing that an overwhelming number of future voters care deeply for the health of our planet and would start adjusting my policies to reflect that. Doesn't mean they will, but these protests are not for naught.
 
Sep 9, 2018
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Its good to see but won't do anything. 99% of the people protesting are from countries that produce 1% of climate changing emissions, China and India don't care.
A huge part of Chineese emissions are due to western consumption.
And I'm not sure about that 1% figure, these countries protesting definitely have a high footprint/capita at the very least.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Not trying to be hostile, but why does that matter? The thing politicians do care about are votes. And if I were a conservative politician and had any sense of self-preservation in the ongoing future, my ears would be perking right up knowing that an overwhelming number of future voters care deeply for the health of our planet and would start adjusting my policies to reflect that. Doesn't mean they will, but these protests are not for naught.
If Republicans don't budge on gun control when toddlers die in a school shooting, they won't budge on climate change when kids walk out of schools.
And I'm not saying that to discourage them, they should keep going.
I just want pressure on the people with power to get personal, because they won't see this and think "I guess now's the time to act" when their pockets are lined by the oil and gas industry.
 
Oct 25, 2017
562
Australia
Its good to see but won't do anything. 99% of the people protesting are from countries that produce 1% of climate changing emissions, China and India don't care.
This is not true. China releases about 25% of global greenhouse gases. The USA releases around 15% and the EU around 10%. India 6.5%. So the US + EU alone make up China's total. Then it's the rest of the world's duty to fill in the rest of the gaps.

Also, I might be wrong, but hasn't China been far more active than the Western world up to this point in combating climate change?
 
Sep 9, 2018
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This is not true. China releases about 25% of global greenhouse gases. The USA releases around 15% and the EU around 10%. India 6.5%. So the US + EU alone make up China's total. Then it's the rest of the world's duty to fill in the rest of the gaps.

Also, I might be wrong, but hasn't China been far more active than the Western world up to this point in combating climate change?
China is interesting.
They preparing to survive in a climate change world, rather than trying to prevent climate change.
  • They are preparing alternate energy sources (everything – hydro, wind, solar, Thorium nuclear etc… + coal/oil/gas/peat).
  • They're building sea walls in certain industrial harbor hubs (essentially picking cities worth saving), strengthening their military and claiming the south sea so they’ll be sitting on the resources when the US pulls the 7th fleet home from the region.
  • They’re also locking down control over their civilian population with 1984 snowden shit, restricting domestic travel and stuff so they’ll be able to quench unreast easily if things get bad.
 
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Its good to see but won't do anything. 99% of the people protesting are from countries that produce 1% of climate changing emissions, China and India don't care.
1%? Unscientific BS right up there with antivaxxers. If we talk about the” 1%” then yes, the consumption habits of the 1% is unproportional (also what it means in China) and CO2 per capita / income confirms this and then we are back talking about the West again.
 
Oct 31, 2017
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Ok I am sorry, to use hyperbolic figures. 1% is a bit low, but its still a significant margin. Also, China has the idea, and it seems logical, that its too late. Stop everything today, and seas will still rise etc. So they build a prevention measure and don't clean up their emissions.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Saw a large group gathered in a square at my University today while I was eating lunch. Had no Idea it was international. They were giving speeches with a megaphone and had a bunch of signs too.
 
Sep 9, 2018
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Ok I am sorry, to use hyperbolic figures. 1% is a bit low, but its still a significant margin. Also, China has the idea, and it seems logical, that its too late. Stop everything today, and seas will still rise etc. So they build a prevention measure and don't clean up their emissions.
It is too late to stop a disaster. But we can still likely prevent the collapse of our civilization, if we act decisively and quickly (by reducing emissions). This defeatist mentality bullshit I see in some people's posts is not helpful.

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Depending on how much we emit I would put the possible climate change outcomes between really bad (best case) and human extinction (worst case).

Some scientists have suggested that we could trigger a runaway greenhouse effect a la Venus and end all life on earth, but judging from IPCC's models I'd say that's still extremely unlikely.
 
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Oct 25, 2017
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Ok I am sorry, to use hyperbolic figures. 1% is a bit low, but its still a significant margin. Also, China has the idea, and it seems logical, that its too late. Stop everything today, and seas will still rise etc. So they build a prevention measure and don't clean up their emissions.
Also very short-sighted. Did you know the aviation markets have grown at an enormous rate since the last century? Did you know jet fuel, unlike car fuel, isn't taxed which in effect allows airlines to keep costs low and incentivize people to travel and buy products from the other side of the world? This is just a simple measure governments could take to reduce emissions. Hell, in a lot of countries, car fuel still isn't taxed properly. You can apply this to meat consumption as well, but it's more complicated since people need food to survive. People don't need to travel or import goods.

But, sure, let's blame this on China.
 
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Its good to see but won't do anything. 99% of the people protesting are from countries that produce 1% of climate changing emissions, China and India don't care.
Ok I am sorry, to use hyperbolic figures. 1% is a bit low, but its still a significant margin. Also, China has the idea, and it seems logical, that its too late. Stop everything today, and seas will still rise etc. So they build a prevention measure and don't clean up their emissions.
r/iamverysmart
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Ok I am sorry, to use hyperbolic figures. 1% is a bit low, but its still a significant margin. Also, China has the idea, and it seems logical, that its too late. Stop everything today, and seas will still rise etc. So they build a prevention measure and don't clean up their emissions.
For all the bad China does, they are one of the biggest investors in renewables and associated technology.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo.../01/11/china-renewable-energy-superpower/amp/
 
Oct 31, 2017
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Who would welcome there own doom? I just accept the fact that we have as a species, caused irreversible, permanent damage to the environment and we are continuing to do so. The evidence is there, stop now, and its still too late. Things cascade, they exponentially increase, based on the pollution we have created. Go read the reports about what already is happening and that it will only get worse.

Not defeatist, just realist. Prepare and be ready when it gets bad, because it will.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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America
Who would welcome there own doom? I just accept the fact that we have as a species, caused irreversible, permanent damage to the environment and we are continuing to do so. The evidence is there, stop now, and its still too late. Things cascade, they exponentially increase, based on the pollution we have created. Go read the reports about what already is happening and that it will only get worse.

Not defeatist, just realist. Prepare and be ready when it gets bad, because it will.
truth :(