They're probably mostly people who just want the whole thing to be over with now that the extradition bill has been "killed".
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Hundreds of Masked Men Assault Anti-Extradition Bill Protesters and Journalists in Hong Kong
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They're probably mostly people who just want the whole thing to be over with now that the extradition bill has been "killed".
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EU.
And I'm sure the US will fight China again if they have to.
Lip service.
Post Tianmen massacre EU banned weapons exports to China.
US has made it clear that the only consequence of Hong Kong losing political independence is the loss of their preferential trade status.
There is nothing the west will do and frankly there isn't anything wrong with China ending one country two systems outside of the UK treaty. UK has the best case for sanctions.
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Also, Beijing lapdogs are guaranteed money and security at the end of all this. Anyone who is loyal to the CCP will win basically. Cash handouts have been handed out to pro-Beijing rallys for many years.
No-one will do anything meaningful to help Hong Kong, China is too powerful and rich and the world is far too corrupt now :(
Even if China is weak and poor there isn't any case for the world to do anything about Hong Kong outside of UK. Past 2047 UK doesn't have any case either.
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Yes this is already known and obvious. UK could hardly care with the Brexit dumpster fire they have.
At least Hong Kongers will try to fight for what they believe is right and just, even if there are no results to be found at the end of it. At least those memories and histories will continue for people who are empathetic to their cause.
Yes but until 2047 there is a case for ensuring China sticks to the agreement. Sadly the UK is a toothless basket case these days.
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There is a case, but even if the UK weren't so spineless, there's nothing they could use as leverage against China.
China already violated the terms of the handover when they refused direct elections of the CE. The erosion's happening anyways.
Park the Queen Elizabeth in Victoria Harbour
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User Banned (1 week): Inflammatory Commentary Surrounding Colonialism
The Brits should have conquered all of Qing or the Western powers, including Japan, should have left Qing be.
Saw a sloppy news report on UK tv that made it sound like the white shirts were the pro democ protesters.
I read elsewhere that the white shirt thugs are owned by the triads and the CCP makes use of them. Just disgusting.
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Colonialism is a terrible thing. Don't ever advocate for it. It's terrible that Hong Kong ever became a colony, but that doesn't excuse Chinese fascist rule. People should have their own self-determination.
I saw the post on Reddit. How much of it is true?
In short, the white shirts are gangsters within the Triads, the black shirts are protestors returning from the Central protests.
Many local businesses in the Northern NT pay the triads protection money in exchange for a stable business environment and much of the Northern NT is VERY pro-China. As the protests have scared away many mainland shoppers which some retailers rely on, the triads were called in to hunt down and beat protestors to bring back the status quo. Similar situation happened on Umbrella movement in NT years ago.
Village residents were warned to stay home this weekend as various triad groups mobilised and waited until the protests in Central were cleared before moving to MTR stations in Yuen Long, Tai Po, Tin Shui Wai and Tuen Mun and beating people wearing black clothes as that is the colour of the anti-extradition movement.
Most people had no idea the triads would actually make good on their threats and thus hundreds of returning protesters and innocent people were caught up in the violence.
This was made worse by the fact that most the HKP's best anti riot units were deployed on HK Island leaving a few local beat cops in Yuen Long to handle the all the shit going on. They failed and fled the scene "on purpose" and it wasnt for another hour before thousands of riot cops could be redeployed from Central to Yuen Long to stop things from escalating.
In short, the white shirts are gangsters within the Triads, the black shirts are protestors returning from the Central protests.
Many local businesses in the Northern NT pay the triads protection money in exchange for a stable business environment and much of the Northern NT is VERY pro-China. As the protests have scared away many mainland shoppers which some retailers rely on, the triads were called in to hunt down and beat protestors to bring back the status quo. Similar situation happened on Umbrella movement in NT years ago.
Village residents were warned to stay home this weekend as various triad groups mobilised and waited until the protests in Central were cleared before moving to MTR stations in Yuen Long, Tai Po, Tin Shui Wai and Tuen Mun and beating people wearing black clothes as that is the colour of the anti-extradition movement.
Most people had no idea the triads would actually make good on their threats and thus hundreds of returning protesters and innocent people were caught up in the violence.
This was made worse by the fact that most the HKP's best anti riot units were deployed on HK Island leaving a few local beat cops in Yuen Long to handle the all the shit going on. They failed and fled the scene "on purpose" and it wasnt for another hour before thousands of riot cops could be redeployed from Central to Yuen Long to stop things from escalating.
Brexit is tearing the UK apart, it's just not done with violence. There may not be a UK as it is today in a few decades because of it.
Would protesting like this would have really impacting Brexit? Both parties seem all-in on that.
I read that too. Uhh, think this through Triads, aligning your criminal enterprise with the government may work in Russia, but it seems short-sighted here.
Do the parties seem committed to Brexit? I mean, they keep voting against plans and delaying it. Millions of people marching in the street for days on end would give them an "out."
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90% sure those are triads. I lived in the Northern Territories and there is tons of smuggling across the border. Police turn a blind eye to this too.
Even if the the police aren't working actively together with the triads, they are openly letting them get away with it because it helps their position and narrative.
Yes.
They have had plenty of chances for an "out" like that and missed every one deliberately, on both sides. The parties want Brexit as much as China wants Hong Kong.
Boris is one of the biggest supporters of Brexit, that's not going to stop it.
Fucking unbelievable one of the lawmakers (Pro-Beijing legislative council member Junius Ho) was caught on film congratulating the thugs. And to add to insult, the police turned their backs on the people while they were getting attacked. HK'ers now have to fight against the police and triads, who are clearly working together.
Also, CCP most influential official newspaper People's Daily and Xinhua News Agency directly reported siege of Hong Kong Liaison Office to many mainland websites on the front page today.
It is a strong signal that Beijing may prepare mainland public for direct intervention and step into the crackdown.
I could foresee that in the worst case NPC Standing Committee would step in and use Basic Law article 18 to proclaim martial law on Hong Kong.
It is a strong signal that Beijing may prepare mainland public for direct intervention and step into the crackdown.
I could foresee that in the worst case NPC Standing Committee would step in and use Basic Law article 18 to proclaim martial law on Hong Kong.
People self-determine to have autocratic government. It happens.
I can't speak to Xi's history, but Putin is intimately entangled with organised crime groups. Russia is a kleptocracy, dependent on the wealth of criminal activity and money-laundering, China is under the control of a very strong central government which makes money through industry.
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Thanks.
"Speak to" is one of those Americanisms that don't make sense to me, is it a recent term? Do people not use "speak about" or "speak on the subject of"?
Dunno, I'm Canadian, this post says it started becoming popular in the 90s:
Here's an example from the 60s, however.
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Hong Kong Government officials including Carrie Lam and Police Commissioner Stephen Lo just held a press conference at 3pm local time, with local press very angry at their slow and tepid response.
Carrie Lam held a press conference at 4am, some 4 hours after the storming of the LegCo Building on 1 June, yet today she comes out more than 15 hours after the Yuen Long attack last night. They really care more about their building than casualties and lost life.
Carrie Lam held a press conference at 4am, some 4 hours after the storming of the LegCo Building on 1 June, yet today she comes out more than 15 hours after the Yuen Long attack last night. They really care more about their building than casualties and lost life.
Fuck china
The only ones who aren't innocent in this situation are the masked thugs
Is Carrie Lam in danger of not getting elected again over this? Seems like this'd kill a political career in Hong Kong among the voters.
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Beijing controls this. The Chief Executive is elected by a small committee loyal to Beijing.
It's said that she wants to quit but Beijing is forcing her to clean up the mess. Besides no one wants that job anymore. She might as well be keeping it forever now.
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Many firms still prefer to work in Hong Kong as it doesn't have the same restrictions in China (e.g. great firewall), with the plus of very low tax. It was a perfect balance of 'Western' rule of law mixed in with a Chinese controlled state. Rule of law is crumbling much faster than anyone would have anticipated.
HK police official statement is they are not sure that the white shirt group participated in violence, and no arrest was made because they didn't hold weapon(They were sighted and photographed and filmed with stick and metal bar.
The violence perpetrated by the white shirt group resulted in at least 36 people wounded, and 1 is in critical condition
Police highest person in charge claim that police and Triad will never work together
Regarding HK...TVB is now pretty much just a speaker mouth for the government, most peopel are getting news and update from FB it seems
NOWnes might be ok, although kind of like to make big of little thing, they are the one that reported on the police firing on protester as they are leaving and such.
But most people are using FB to warn other of area where the white shirt people are gathering
Some other company like Shiseido are letting people off early or not opening to prevent their worker from getting into these incident
The violence perpetrated by the white shirt group resulted in at least 36 people wounded, and 1 is in critical condition
Police highest person in charge claim that police and Triad will never work together
Regarding HK...TVB is now pretty much just a speaker mouth for the government, most peopel are getting news and update from FB it seems
NOWnes might be ok, although kind of like to make big of little thing, they are the one that reported on the police firing on protester as they are leaving and such.
But most people are using FB to warn other of area where the white shirt people are gathering
Some other company like Shiseido are letting people off early or not opening to prevent their worker from getting into these incident
You have people here saying exchange Chinese students or Chinese immigrants are actually covert spies working for the government, that China is infiltrated in big western companies and controls them, that the US should unilaterally "destroy" China... Would you consider taking those fascistic Yellow Scare moments for what they are, "defending" China?
As for this, the triads hold lots of power in Hong Kong, are intertwined with the private sector, and they are known for doing these things. It's hard for me to believe they really want to become part of China proper, but for sure they will want to scare the population and keep "order" in order not to scare tourists or business opportunities or whatever, so I don't think this is necessarily the Chinese government doing this, but the triads are playing China's hand anyway.
Unfortunately I think you are mistaken :/
What? You think this are the triads by their own volition?
Fucking lol
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HK police official statement is they are not sure that the white shirt group participated in violence, and no arrest was made because they didn't hold weapon(They were sighted and photographed and filmed with stick and metal bar.
The violence perpetrated by the white shirt group resulted in at least 36 people wounded, and 1 is in critical condition
Police highest person in charge claim that police and Triad will never work together
Regarding HK...TVB is now pretty much just a speaker mouth for the government, most peopel are getting news and update from FB it seems
NOWnes might be ok, although kind of like to make big of little thing, they are the one that reported on the police firing on protester as they are leaving and such.
But most people are using FB to warn other of area where the white shirt people are gathering
Some other company like Shiseido are letting people off early or not opening to prevent their worker from getting into these incident
Even if they are involved with the triads, they did not remain impartial when dealing with the white shirts and anti-gov protesters. Anti-gov protesters were shot at with gas cannisters while policemen were seeing having a friendly chat with white shirts.
Airlines are getting affected too.
Despite all the footage and witnessed? Sure...
This proves that the Chinese government already has too much control and its probably too late now. The people are great, the food is great, the nature is great but the government just sours the whole deal when it comes to China.
This was inevitable, sadly. They're just moving the time table up. The Chinese government is simply too powerful for protests like this to stop in its tracks.
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But most people are using FB to warn other of area where the white shirt people are gathering
Already happening. So crazy to see Hong Kong crumble like this...
Just look at their wording, peaceful protest are violent revolutionaryies that throw firebomb, bricks and other stuff, white shirt are just some people starting some skirmishes
I don't know and it doesn't matter, the result is the same. The Triads don't want Hong Kong to democratize, because they will lose power. They want to keep a status quo where they can profit from corruption, and they might think this is a way of keeping the established order. Since the interest of the triads and the Chinese and Hong Kong governments are intertwined, I dont think this is necessarily a case of the Triads receiving direct orders from the Chinese government, yeah.
You obviously don't know and of course it fucking matters...
Both governments are behind this, not sure why are you trying to blame it on the triads