I´m playing GTAV for first time and gameplay is mediocre
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Rockstar does a great job at world building, but I have always found their games to be samey and mediocre in the gameplay department. This goes for RDR as well. I would not be surprised if RDR2 looked amazing and played like meh also.
Sounds like you dont care much for Rockstar games. Neither do I personally. I acknowledge they are amazing games and works of art but I just don't have that much fun playing them. That said I really want to try RDR but I am a PC only gamer :(
Can't say i disagree OP
I don't remeber if i put auto aim on because the shooting was bad
auto aim seems right for me in thridpersonview games
i'mhopeful for RD2 i'm not sure if i'll actually do the campaign i might just run off in a direction
occasionally doing campaigns for upgrades
I don't remeber if i put auto aim on because the shooting was bad
auto aim seems right for me in thridpersonview games
i'mhopeful for RD2 i'm not sure if i'll actually do the campaign i might just run off in a direction
occasionally doing campaigns for upgrades
I never got the complaint about driving in GTA games. Watch Dogs (especially 1), Sleeping Dogs have absolutely horrible driving. It's perfectly fine in GTA series. As far as shooting goes, it's really good compared to these other open world games. It's basically like playing Uncharted on normal or easy. It's not about difficulty, it's about enjoying the fantasy of larger than life criminal.
Agree with the OP except for the driving. Complete chore to control on foot or bike due to the animation-over-gameplay priority. Driving I have a lot of fun with though. I enjoy how Franklin's time-slowing ability seems to alter the physics and make some maneuvers possible that otherwise wouldn't be.
And I think there's even more to criticize about the story and characters. It's bizarre to have what seems to be tremendous voice acting performances with material I never even began to care about because everyone is such a despicable person in the game. I honestly wouldn't care if any given character, including the 3 playable, dropped dead during the game and maybe that's the point, because they're consistently awful? But if so, what's the point of pushing their story forward for hours and hours.
And I think there's even more to criticize about the story and characters. It's bizarre to have what seems to be tremendous voice acting performances with material I never even began to care about because everyone is such a despicable person in the game. I honestly wouldn't care if any given character, including the 3 playable, dropped dead during the game and maybe that's the point, because they're consistently awful? But if so, what's the point of pushing their story forward for hours and hours.
I love GTA but I can readily admit it's a weird game in a lot of ways. I think the driving is fantastic but the foot controls are very odd. In a way, you have to accept what the game is and play to that, rather than reject it for not being what you think it should be. The auto-lock combat means the game is not about aim skill at all, it becomes about threat priority and positioning, dealing with enemies in ways that play to the strengths of the combat engine. This means learning to go for quick headshots, learning to use and abuse cover, exploiting the AI. This becomes much more pronounced online as the enemies become more bullshit. There is a lot of challenge in the game still but it comes in unexpected ways if you play it like a straight up TPS.
I have to agree with one thing.
They do make a lot of gameplay mechanics, but most of them are mediocre. In the overall product it's amazing to see such a huge variety, but focusing on a single mechanic shows their weakness.
I still don't get it why shooting mechanics are so bad in GTA games. On GTA 4 they actually made some progress (but still need the aim assist due to terrible framerates on consoles, its impossible to aim at 20 fps or lower). Red Dead improved on that and made guns feel really powerful.
Then Max Payne 3 became a king in the shooting scene. Suddenly, they take three steps back and make GTA V the worst Rockstar aiming the past generation.
How is this possible? Just copy Max Payne 3 for christ sake.
They do make a lot of gameplay mechanics, but most of them are mediocre. In the overall product it's amazing to see such a huge variety, but focusing on a single mechanic shows their weakness.
I still don't get it why shooting mechanics are so bad in GTA games. On GTA 4 they actually made some progress (but still need the aim assist due to terrible framerates on consoles, its impossible to aim at 20 fps or lower). Red Dead improved on that and made guns feel really powerful.
Then Max Payne 3 became a king in the shooting scene. Suddenly, they take three steps back and make GTA V the worst Rockstar aiming the past generation.
How is this possible? Just copy Max Payne 3 for christ sake.
I’m not sure any of those other things are lacking in other shooters. The gunplay is essentially super casual, and it’s probably correct considering the game sells to everyone.
I never played GTA V due to just not liking the controls in previous Rockstar games. I quit GTA 4 fairly early on because I got frustrated and RDR(whose setting I loved) also just wasn’t doing it for me control wise.
Obviously in the minority, people love these games. I’m hoping RDR2 will be better but I’m not optimistic.
Obviously in the minority, people love these games. I’m hoping RDR2 will be better but I’m not optimistic.
I wouldn't say it's awful, other than the running button, i had no big issues myself. I do agree that the driving in GTA 4 was much better, it really made for some hairy moments whenever I was in a shit car and being engaged by the police or gangs. In 5, it was too easy to get out of those situations in almost any vehicle.
Yeah, I hated GTAV. Stopped playing it on the PS3 and gave it another go on the PS4. Just wasn't for me.
Red Dead Redemption? Loved it.
Weird
Red Dead Redemption? Loved it.
Weird
At this point, Rockstar is known to produce extremely high-budget, polished games with subpar gameplay (the lone exception in recent years being Max Payne 3).
Will be very disappointed if RDR2's shooting is the same stuff they've been doing this whole time, because these are gameplay systems that should've been abandoned a decade ago. It simply doesn't feel good to move the character or engage in shootouts in GTAIV, RDR, or GTAV. Spam X to run... a shooting system designed around lock-on... driving or riding across the entire map to get to a mission. In 2018. I mean, seriously?
Will be very disappointed if RDR2's shooting is the same stuff they've been doing this whole time, because these are gameplay systems that should've been abandoned a decade ago. It simply doesn't feel good to move the character or engage in shootouts in GTAIV, RDR, or GTAV. Spam X to run... a shooting system designed around lock-on... driving or riding across the entire map to get to a mission. In 2018. I mean, seriously?
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They should rename the place AutismERA: where everything is black or white.
I am on the sam boat. it's an amazing game, and I generally play games for tth story but I would never recommend someone GTA if he doesn't ggive a shit about any story or character development. Mediocre...is the right word.
Does anyone think the game should of just been about Michael?
I felt that he was the most interesting of the three.
Franklin was ok, but too boring (it was obvious he was created to be the sane middle guy between the two extemes)
and Trevor, Trevor was definitely too crazy i think, I understand why he is such a divisive character, and why many love or hate him. but it's clear that he only would be able to work in an ensemble cast,
the early part of the game that focused on Michael's family was the most interesting, when Trevor came around it became more about their cry fest with each other, and wasn't as memorable
I felt that he was the most interesting of the three.
Franklin was ok, but too boring (it was obvious he was created to be the sane middle guy between the two extemes)
and Trevor, Trevor was definitely too crazy i think, I understand why he is such a divisive character, and why many love or hate him. but it's clear that he only would be able to work in an ensemble cast,
the early part of the game that focused on Michael's family was the most interesting, when Trevor came around it became more about their cry fest with each other, and wasn't as memorable
What's so bad about mediocre gameplay? GTA has always been clunky since the 3D era. Rockstar Games are known for their immensely created worlds, and not revolutionary mechanics
I just played the game for the first time a few weeks ago. It's not terrible, but it is shockingly poor when you consider the budget and manpower that was put behind it.
And the writing especially is fucking abysmal. Dan Houser and Rupert Humphries shouldn't be let anywhere near a fucking keyboard.
And the writing especially is fucking abysmal. Dan Houser and Rupert Humphries shouldn't be let anywhere near a fucking keyboard.
It's not black and white, he specified that he was only referring to gameplay:
All you guys have demonstrated is that you've skimmed or ignored OP, and as a result, made poor contribution to this thread. He never said the whole of GTAV was shit.
Well what are you comparing it to? Other open world games?
No. At this point I’m expecting a ps5/xb2 enhanced port of GTAV
I enjoyed GTA5 a lot upon release, but never thought it was an all-time great game or anything like that. It was really good though .
Tried the remaster after a recent PS4 sale and put it down after two hours. It's not really fun to play at all. The controls feel like a generation behind, which is fair given the game actually is. Also, the feature bloat felt overwhelming. The game hasn't aged well at all.
Im hoping RDR2 is a big step forward because I'm not spending any more time with GTA5-level gameplay if I can avoid it.
Tried the remaster after a recent PS4 sale and put it down after two hours. It's not really fun to play at all. The controls feel like a generation behind, which is fair given the game actually is. Also, the feature bloat felt overwhelming. The game hasn't aged well at all.
Im hoping RDR2 is a big step forward because I'm not spending any more time with GTA5-level gameplay if I can avoid it.
Shooting isn't good - that's why I prefer RDR, because they can make old weapons (revolvers, old rifles) feel nice. But not automatic stuff. I don't really find the city interesting - the characters are interesting, but not the world. Again, RDR is better in that aspect.
Overall it's not bad, I loved the main story even though some quests were rather dull and exist just to make characters speak to each other while I'm driving somewhere... 7/10.
Overall it's not bad, I loved the main story even though some quests were rather dull and exist just to make characters speak to each other while I'm driving somewhere... 7/10.
Are you trying to justify GTAV's incredibly poor script by saying "well, other open world games haven't done it better?"
Because, if so, two things to keep in mind:
1: Yes, they have (and by "they" I mean "other open-world games")
2. Most of those games did not have the luxury of GTAV's budget (which you would think would have afforded some competent writers... but apparently not)
Those are the things I liked about it.
I liked the shooting. It was fun to shoot people in the legs so they'd fall over and stop firing at you so you could move or finish them off. I like the Euphoria engine and the animations. It made sucker punching people so much fun.
I can spend hours just doing this.
I liked the shooting. It was fun to shoot people in the legs so they'd fall over and stop firing at you so you could move or finish them off. I like the Euphoria engine and the animations. It made sucker punching people so much fun.
I can spend hours just doing this.
I honestly can’t think of any non R* open world games that have better writing than GTAV.
And video games, in general, have pretty poor writing. I can’t think of a single AAA game release this entire generation that has what I would call “great” writing. So yeah, I guess if you’re comparing GTAV to say, well written movies or television, then sure it’s not good.
Also playing it for the first time, I'm just glad the driving isn't trash like GTA IV was. Honestly, what I really want to be able to do is just rip around the streets at the highest speed possible without spinning out when I pull the handbrake, hitting something or grinding to a halt and just generally killing all my fun momentum. GTA V isn't quite there...except when I activate Franklin's special ability. I can switch it on, turn on a dime, then switch it off and keep going at nutso speed. That's what I've always wanted. So kudos to them for that idea.
Admittedly, games in general do not feature fantastic writing. Unfortunately. But even if they don't have "great" writing, I can most certainly think of games that have significantly better writing than GTAV - check out either of Machinegames' Wolfenstein games, or Arkane's Prey.
There is a weight to the movement I have always disliked in Rockstar's open world games. Aiming has always been rough as well. I look past it and enjoy the games but I understand.
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No. He's a goddamn hack. His writing is awful beyond belief.
It feels like Rockstar are so proud of their Euphoria technology that they end up prioritizing animation over responsiveness.