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"I’m white. I can kill you and nothing will happen" - El Salvador woman attacked Spanish man
- Thread starter MilesQ
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Oh i see. Yeah i was not advocating that the police should be punished but i felt that (based on the OP) an investigation would make sense. That is, till i saw that Audioboxer link.
I looked for the specific phrase of arrest - which is in Post 49 by Audioboxer, lol :) The link you went at i didnt' read to beyond after the link - I had imagined that if she was arrested, the text in the clickable link would have made me aware.
This is europe, being part of a terror group is not enough to keep you in custody.
This thread is in dire need of deeper moderation. The mod edit from OP is not enough since it looks like nobody reads it.
I'm not even gonna dispute some of the bullshit said here.
I'm not even gonna dispute some of the bullshit said here.
He won't need to. She's walking free but she's charged. If he doesn't press charges, the Prosecutors Office takes situations like this by themselves. She's getting punished despited walking free for a few months until the case is judged.
So Pudgimont beeing put in custody because the laws of the european union say so equals we are racist towards you spanish people? OK I guess?
I mean, they can say what they want, their opinion doesnt matter when it comes to the decisions of the courts, so ok? Still I think its a reasonable position to get a dialogue between the seperatists and the government in the ways, but in the end, its something the people in the parliament get asked by journalists because a spanish politician involved in that affair got caught in germany. If a german politician would be imprisioned in spain, because he favors a seperation of bavaria, I think the chance is pretty high that your politicians also give a statement on that and I really have no idea how this is a problem and its a joke that you are trying to make it appear as a racism. Its not. fullstop.
Edit: Its getting a bit to much into the offtopic. Be assured, that there is no bigger number of people who have racists feelings towards the spainish people because catalonia tries to seperate for the 318th time, or because people, accused by a EU country, was loocked up by another EU country, while EU laws say, that this is something the EU member countrys are forced to do.
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Having lived there myself I can tell you that's the norm most of the time, sadly it seems that years later it hasn't changed....
Any history buff here perhaps can shine some light on the following since my memory is fuzzy about it, their reasoning for a lot of *older* Spanish is that the Moors once invaded and ruined the country, the stigma is still there well and alive for some. Heck I remember being thought that early in school as well....
Oh shit ok, was just used to things like how the prosecutors, etc can't press charges unless the victim wants to. Too used to laws here in NA.
Maybe someone did, and it helped her realize her privilege. But then she was still racist.
Of course it is racism.
To clarify, the amount of Spaniards that would commit an act of violence against someone for being a different race is pretty low. I posit lower than other European countries.
In contrast, the amount of locals who hold others in contempt just for being of another race is worryingly high. It's really shameful.
I guess, I cannot comment on America since I have zero experience there.
It's your typical "I'm not racist but..." and you think "Yeah, man whatever you say."
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Marius apparently had this to say on Facebook...
If she left the country, it's pretty much a wrap. Charging her in a absense might be an option, if they decide to charge her at all.
I don't give a fuck about changing their views at this point, and I never claimed this to be a solution to anything. It's all about controlling the amount of damage they do. We can do our best to educate our young and to reduce the inequalities that helps racism grow, but when people are actively racist and help normalize this kind of behaviour and harmful attitudes that help the racist systems you mention stay in place - punch the fuckers. Many of our respective societies are too far gone for discussion and debate to be effective, and giving these assholes a platform is beyond dangerous.
What a sad situation, Spain can be pretty misunderstood when it comes to this stuff and obviously a foreign lady doesnt speak for us, but we do have areas to improve on, like most of Europe.
That's what he said at the time of the incident. He *also* said at theat point that it was in the hands of the law, and that the law would dictate the sentence. Which doesn't match with what you then say. I know this because I went to his Facebook page and checked it. What isn't clear is whether he posted that before raising his formal complaint that led to her arrest, and what isn't mentioned anywhere is what came of the charges against her.
what? Racism doesn't equal "hate against black people", that's not the definition whatsoever. Everyone can be a victim to racism, even snow-white christians, just look at brexit.
Also, the second part is quite a bold claim....
I'm pretty sure you're not allowed to leave the country if there are active charges against you.
Crazy story, cannot believe people can be so blatantly racist. Like seriously? Scum like this need to be tried in a court of law, for serious hate crime offenses. Spain is an incredibly racist country, have had experience first hand on a few holidays. I am starting to be terrified of entering coffee shops as a black man, going to invest in a flask from now on.
I haven't had any racist experiences in Spain my few times visiting family while brown, but it's pretty fucking annoying sometimes to have my accent pointed out by everyone and their mother(even my fathers family) because I took on my mothers Dominican dialect. Idk what I'd classify that as, but couldn't even get a coffee without hearing something. Part of my motivation to try and raise my daughter with a much more neutral accent in Spanish. Rather she not deal with shit(cus it happens here in NY too, from Colombians in particular).
Do you have any evidence to support the bolded implication at all? Given all the information you left out/misconstrued in the OP (perpetrator being from El Salvador and not Spain, acting as if being sent home after a statement is an absolvement) it honestly seems to me like you just want to shit on Spain and it's police/justice system, which you have deemed as racist, despite nothing in this incident so far pointing towards that.
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Pretty sure home here means her abode, not her country of origin.
Our continent is racist and xenophobic as fuck I don't know where people get the impression the US is worse? Even as a white you are discriminated against if you're the wrong kind of white.
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Or, I went off from the information made available at the time in the WaPo article.
I don't particularly care about Spain, the fact that you think I have some kind of Vendetta to grind means you should probably take a step back because you're becoming irrational.
Thanks iapetus, etc for clearing that up.
I don't think enough importance is being placed on the fact that she's from El Salvador and she looks like a brown Latino, I say this as a brown Latino myself.
Pretty sure she has some self hatred issues along with being a racist pos
Pretty sure she has some self hatred issues along with being a racist pos
She has a lot of nerve to be racist... and she claims being white?
I feel like while this comparison serves nobody, people believe that the US are worse because of extreme things that you wouldn't find in Europe.
I'm talking regular shootings of black people by the police and stuff like that.
But it's not a contest.
I don't see how an alleged aggressor of a hate crime with a deadly weapon could be detained only briefly. It makes no sense whatsoever and only puts the alleged victim at greater risk.
Your garden variety of fisticuffs and brawls I can sort of understand, but not this. This seems grossly negligent.
Your garden variety of fisticuffs and brawls I can sort of understand, but not this. This seems grossly negligent.
Well then hopefully it will be a lesson to us all to check and corroborate our sources before making accusations.
Like I said self hatred that's why she's claiming "whiteness".
This is a tricky subject, but obviously, "whiteness" is very much defined by where you are, no?
I'd like some Spanish people to weigh in. Would this person be referred to as white?
Not at all.
I hadn't seen her picture until now, she has the fucking nerve.
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I trust WaPo, which is I assumed those were the facts of the story so far .
But I do agree, checking with multiple sources is the way forward.
I see. I'm a pasty Austrian, and I've met so many spanish men and women with skin darker than the average Austrian I know, so I didn't want to make any assumptions.
Exactly. The concept of racism against darker-skinned people is not a unique concept of the West. See Egypt, where the sudanese and other dark-skinned minorities are treated like shit. In this case she specifically referred to herself as "white" though, so unless that is a mistranslation and refers to being a light-skinned El Salvadorian (sic?) person or something, it's hard to tell what her deal with "whiteness" is.
I don't think even in Central America she can pass much less in Spain.
Yeah, we have to keep in mind that "whiteness" isn't a static concept but it constantly changing.
So she may be considered white in Spain, like you imply. I can't say.
Either way if she's seen as white or not, she's certainly using the concept as intended, to separate people by social class
Have into account that we've got quite a sunny country and that tanning culture is huge here, especially in the Summer. But yeah, we have quite the diverse population in that you get people that are in the Antonio Banderas Mediterranean skin tone, but also something like, I don't know, Gasol (I'm talking about Spaniards whose families have been in the peninsula for centuries, not more recent Spaniards like the victim here; I'm a pasty fool that can only get lobster skin in the Summer, for one).
Unfortunately, I think the "casta" system imposed by the Spanish colonizers in the Americas did so much to get racism there too, if this event were to be taken into account. It's quite sickening that this still happens.
Ugh. Glad the dude made it out with his face and faith in humanity intact. I think I would go nuts on someone if they attacked me that way.
the hell does this mean? First, the attacker in this story was from El Salvador, but the attack happened in Spain. Second, the hell do you know about El Salvadorian citizens? Are you from El Salvador? Have you been there? Do you know people from there?
the hell does this mean? First, the attacker in this story was from El Salvador, but the attack happened in Spain. Second, the hell do you know about El Salvadorian citizens? Are you from El Salvador? Have you been there? Do you know people from there?
It sucks to see/read something like this happening in a place of happiness, but I guess its something that should be expected when you're black.
You're getting played, the person hasn't replied to any of the comments calling him/her out.
You're getting played, the person hasn't replied to any of the comments calling him/her out.
oh almost certainly but it struck a nerve with me because I have family in El Salvador and that country has some problems for sure but the average people who live there ain't nothing to do with it.
She .. wasn't wrong.
Extremely sad but glad the guy was not seriously injured. I hope the proper authorities to actual follow ups.
The thing is that according to people here, she
a) is not white.
b) would have likely gotten the same treatment as a black woman.
Seems like it all went down in accordance with the law, no? Unless I missed something.
He also posted an image that, as I understand, just looks bad from an American point of view, but does not contain anything racist at all. Just a heads up.
Long tradition of reconquistas, lol. That was a war that occurred... 700 years ago.
How do those numbers look when asking about specific races, particularly black people? Because aren't the majority of those immigrants considered the same (or closely at the least) as those born in Spain? The majority are coming from countries Spain had a large presence in.