read the blog again. Valve take 30%, Unreal engine fee is 5 %, so launching on steam means 35% cut in total. "lmao" indeed huh
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I actually don't hate Epic Game Store
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read the blog again. Valve take 30%, Unreal engine fee is 5 %, so launching on steam means 35% cut in total. "lmao" indeed huh
Taking over is exactly what Epic's trying to do. You may not see it, but a lot of us clearly do. Hence the reason they're deliberately paying to keep games off Steam.
Valve's saving grace is that there's too many new releases for Epic to take on, and some publishers can't be bought like 2K and Deep Silver.
Trust me. A lot of people pretending not to see it can see it and hope for it to happen. All for platform warring.
Absolutely. They're fighting to have less choices in the PC market, which is dumbfounding.
Of course the vast majority of Epic defenders are never seen in PC related threads, so that tells you all you need to know.
The belief that Epic isn't in this to completely takeover the market has the same energy as believing they're here to save it. Might as well get sauced on the rest of Tim's reasoning for 'competitive' inducements.
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The outrage over EGS is one of the most pathetic Gamer (TM) Outrage campaigns I've ever witnessed. If it weren't for Gamergate, it'd probably win the award.
Pretty much everything people have warned me about the EGS has been a gross exaggeration or just flat out not happened yet. One person told me it'd be the end of game sales if Epic has their way and literally weeks later, they had a pretty damn good Summer Sale type of event.
Pretty much everything people have warned me about the EGS has been a gross exaggeration or just flat out not happened yet. One person told me it'd be the end of game sales if Epic has their way and literally weeks later, they had a pretty damn good Summer Sale type of event.
One person just readed what the people in charge of the store said. The fact that they had a summer sale like this just prove they're desperate.
Your kind of reaction is as pathetic as the one you're describing. You're basically the kind of person to complain years after when they're in a shit situation because they've been accepting shitty practices years before.
Is it an exageration to say games going EGS exclusive has seen their prices going up across the board ? Because we have price tracking websites to prove as such.
Again, people are just reading what Sweeney and co are saying.
And it smells like shit for customers:
Opt-in review system, no communities, no features, no seasonal sales (which they backtracked... For now in a desperate attempt to exist), no EGS keys unless they made a deal with a store (that's a new one indeed, the platform deciding if a competitor can sell or not. Disgusting). No discovery tools. Lot of curation. I can go on and on. Now if you want to believe the wealth will trickle down, I cant stop you from being super naive.
By "pretty damn good", are you talking about the sale that was so mismanaged that multiple games were pulled from the store entirely, at least one developer engaged in potentially illegal predatory pricing mechanisms, and people simply wanting to buy several games had their accounts erroneously flagged by antifraud measures?
Was that person Sergey Galyonkin, Director of Publishing Strategy for Epic Games Store?
1. That's just the bare necessities that really. When you're making decisions like that, you're breaking the trust, and that is hard to recover from.
2. The lower cut doesn't effect the userbase.
3. How does that make my point any less true?
4. Yeah, sure, but being on all possible stores is at least one way of trying to maximize sales.
That's really just you saying that you don't understand the discussion, and the arguments people have for not wanting to support the store.
Not exactly sure what you're trying to add to the discussion with your post here really.
1. you wrote they should be held accountable and that is what they are doing, so why argue against this?
2. you wrote that it would maximize potential sales and i wrote that the lower cut and more visibility will help with that.
3. i was saying that they don't expect you to jump through any extra hoops because it will come out on steam anyway
4. yes, and it will be on all possible stores eventually in an even better state than without the egs money
again, I recommend reading the link i send you, it gives many reasons why the mechwarrior devs took the right decision.
It's not going to happen, most people will continue to refuse to use the Epic store outside of some outliers like free games and exclusives. It's incredible seeing some act like they are the parental guardians trying to lecture everyone why nobody should support them and notify developers not to make any deals with them.
You have no idea what you are talking about and your gross exaggeration is really pathetic.
1. Please read the question again. I have pointed this out to you several times yet you keep answering to the wrong thing.
2. It is not dramatizing to point out the obvious. If you are a small developer trying to keep the lights on, supporting a company that cuts you out from even competing is detrimental to your own interests. You don't have to be an actual developer to realize that you will be completely and utterly screwed if you can't bring your game to market. If the answer to that is, as you seem to be suggesting, "don't worry, Steam will still be around", can't you see that basing your argument in favor of a store to the existence and prosperity of its competitor is inherently contradictory?
Well we've now reached the hypothetical stages, where Steam is now the underdog and Epic is really the only option out there. It's pathetic the determintaion some have taken upon themselves to this guiding hand that takes us all away from the dark side.
i also worry that a lot of youtube grifters are taking advantage of the resentment and throw more fuel on the fire with their outrage videos just to get clicks. you know the ones, like yongyea and so on who when they are not raging against the "sjws and feminazis" they rage against game developers.
not saying that people here follow that, just that i worry about other parts of the gamers online who fall for their grift and get deceived
not saying that people here follow that, just that i worry about other parts of the gamers online who fall for their grift and get deceived
Bigger games pay UE upfront anyway, so they don't have to pay 5% anyways.
mw5 isn't a big game and the devs are a smaller studio. that was the context of the conversation.
Have we actually reached the point where people who don't mind Epic's model are not "real PC gamers"? Lol.
Free games are nice. But I will not support the timed exclusivity bullshit. I'm remiss to even support it on consoles (I've only done it once). They feel it's the only way to compete. But it's really not. And is only a very temporary solution.
You do realize they straight up lost money there. They were eating the losses to promote their store. Not like that's going to continue long term. They're in a position due to fortnite that's allowing them to dump money on developers for exclusivity and sales like that. Also the latest crap like how Tetris Effect uses steam's services to run while being exclusive to Epic store. Is just a joke. A lot of people don't seem to realize how much value steam provides. I'm not saying that it won't help developers get better cuts in the long run, it already has. But their service is crap, they continue to miss rollouts for relatively minor features. They're competing for marketshare before they even have a proper competitive product. As it stands as soon as they stop dumping money, everyone will leave. They're focused on investing in the wrong things for longevity.
Does anyone have a link to a good video tour of the epic game store. I don't really do to much PC gaming but i'd be curious to see what it's all about.
It is big enough obviously. You don't need to be mega AAA.
I have been asking you for three pages now to make an argument on the benefits of EGS for small developers and the only argument you made is that Steam will still be there for them.
What was the point of your post? You read what he said.
they will never answer you.
The makers of Hayes, are they still not a small developer? They seem to think it's a good deal for them, they got their game noticed, I got a good sale on it. Nothing really needs to be said beyond that other than your continued persistanece nobody should be using the store because bad things might happen if we do.
yeah irrelevant shit like making a better game thanks to the extra money or keeping a studio alive. try to see it from the developers' point of view?
I'm a gamer, not a developer. I won't make my experience worse in hoping that anything of what you've said is even true - which I'm not actually sure in as the last thing I'll do on this market is trust game developers.
It seems like your not reading anything but you sure want to pretend that egs is a good thing for everybody. You also didn't answer the question which is not surprising considering your other posts.
Supergiant is a relatively large indie developer that has made several award winning games. At least one of them was a huge sales sucess. If they had been an unknown developer releasing their first game Epic would never have paid them for exclusivity. That payment is also probably the reason they decided to be exclusive.
The reason Epic is not going to be good for tiny developers is because Epic is not going to pay them for exclusivity and Epics curation means they are not even going to be allowed onto the store.
It is widely known that Epic is using Sergey Galyonkin's SteamSpy to see what games are topping Steam wish lists to find their 'exclusives.'
Epic will never pay for indies that aren't already popular or becoming popular on Steam. Ironically most indie devs complaining about Steam can't make it into the EGS because they lack popularity on Steam.
People cheers curation then argue about indies having it better with EGS, pretty contradictory 🤣
I assume you are talking about Hades? They aren't a small developer. They made Bastion, which was wildly successful, and Transistor, which was also successful. They would receive ample promotion from any store they choose to put their games on. Also, I think we can safely say that they haven't been completely happy with the performance of Hades on the EGS, since they felt the need to illegally manipulate the price of the game during Epic's $10 off sale, and were forced to walk it back after threat of legal action.
The people that are Steam only, or never EGS are lucky, they eventually get the EGS exclusives outside of EGS where Steam only games are hardly ever likely to be on anything but Steam. No EGS, no Origin (yes Origin sell non EA games), no GOG, just the allowance to sell Steam codes on reseller sites which the likes of Amazon, Pepsico, and Alphabet would nod in approval. Sure it's not Valve's fault that devs wipe their hands clean after throwing PC players a bone by giving them a port and forgetting about it, but EGS could give them incentive to at least put it on multiple launchers before being finished with the PC side.
I started to have a long post in reply to one. First asking who are in the EGS Defense Squad, and what threads are certified PC Threads. Personally I get a lot of my PC info and information elsewhere like Reddit, or Google before Era. I also don't really post in a lot of Steam event threads, or Steam related threads unless it's about Steam Input/Steam Controller, or gyro aim discussions with reluctant console gamers.
What incentive does the EGS provide that all the other clients on PC don't provide?
Cheaper royalties right now especially if it is a UE4 game like Tetris Effect, and more money on top of that. The reason companies port games to pc, or decide not to is money. It will then rake in money from Steam only people after. Win win for them, especially Sony who don't really need loyal PC players.
I'm not really sure what you are saying.
What does Sony have to do with anything?
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Your whole post above is nonsense.
you, and most other EGS defenders miss the point completely. We don't want PC Gaming to become a walled garden. PC gaming is about an open platform where gamers get to CHOOSE where and how to play the game. EGS moneyhats go against this culture completely. Nobody cares that EGS opened up its own storefront. In fact, more competition is great. But when that storefront is an affront to everything that makes PC gaming appealing, we will hate the store with the power of a thousand suns.
Your whole post above is nonsense.
Alloeing games like Journey, Quantic Dreams games, and others on PC going to EGS first now that there is a more profitable roadmap than just putting it on steam like Helldivers, and calling it a day.
You really think a company like Sony looks at a game like Helldivers and thinks "Man, if only we would have gotten an 88% cut on PC instead of 70%?" and that's why Journey is on PC now?
What about Microsoft then, they are putting their games on Steam now.
It's cute that some people think Epic made a deal with Sony to release those games on PC.
Here's what happened:
Annapurna made a deal with Sony to release Flower and Journey on PC. Epic made a deal with Annapurna for Journey to be a timed exclusive.
Quantic Dreams bought the rights of their games. PC ports were planned long ago and there's even mentions of Steam/Steam Controller in the games files. Epic paid to have a timed exclusive.
Same for Tetris Effect.
Microsoft considers Xbox to be more than a console now (it's xbox live, and the services), and they own Windows, people also pushed and begged to get Halo and such on Steam, Valve even said they didn't have to do anything to make it happen. It was the demand of Steam fans, and Microsoft decided it was worth it to supply.
Sony isn't going to put its big first-party stuff on pc, but it seems like the games that go there is situational and since they are the publisher why not go for the most profit? During Helldivers move to PC, the EGS deals wasn't a thing.
Edit: I'll be back. On phone gtg for a bot.
You are really painting a pretty grim picture of Sony here because you are basically saying "Microsoft is listening to the demand of fans and Sony is looking at where they can make the most profit" and I'm not sure if that's intentional.
Sony had nothing to do with that. Also EGS had nothing to do with the decision / porting of those games to the PC.
How do you propose developers make money on the EGS once Epic stops buying exclusives, or if the developer is deemed unworthy of being bought out, or if the developer isn't even allowed on the EGS in the first place, considering the active customer base on the EGS is small? 88% of a small number will always be less than 65-70% of a much larger number. Businesses are in it to make money, and unless your business has the golden ticket, it isn't wise to launch exclusively on the EGS. Developers know this too, the only ones we've ever heard about putting their game up there are ones who got a check from Epic to do so.