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I always disliked Super Mario Bros Trilogy:too fast, no saves, less forgiving than gameboy counterparts
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I played through these games last year for the first time on the Switch NES app earlier this year and made liberal use of the save system there. I'm not very good at platformers and saves really helped me get through the games and not get too frustrated. I still had a pretty good time, which is pretty high praise in my opinion for 35ish year old games that I don't have any nostalgia for.
I second this possibility. Input lag can ruin games, and when it does, something else usually takes the blame. It would fit the OP's general frustrations quite well.
Super Meat Boy forgiving? Easier than any Mario game? Is this bizzaro world?
I totally understand when people say NES games are mostly unplayable and haven't aged well, but the Super Mario Series are the exception. I could sit and play any of the three right now and that would be my afternoon.
The 'running' complaint is weird, too. That is literally the mechanic of the game. It added a whole new component to platforming that didn't exist before.
The 'running' complaint is weird, too. That is literally the mechanic of the game. It added a whole new component to platforming that didn't exist before.
Well, it doesn't have a run button so there's an important plus
SMB3 is literally the best 8-bit game of all time, so this is going to be a big ol' nope from me dawg.
I'm 30, played a ton of NES when I was a kid and owned maybe 20-25 games, but never managed to beat them without cheats. I enjoy them, but I'm just not very good at them and never have been
It's fun to go back to the old 2D marios for nostalgic reasons but I just can't get into those the same way after 3D marios became a thing. Probably because I've fallen out of love of "platforming" in general and 3D games tend to be far more forgiving in that regard. This is opposed to Mario Maker or Super Meat Boy where the difficulty seems like the draw of the game.
I'm 38 and I'm tired of overly difficult games which is probably why the Souls type games aren't interesting to me at all.
I'm 38 and I'm tired of overly difficult games which is probably why the Souls type games aren't interesting to me at all.
We didn't need saves back in the day. We played games until we could finish them in one sitting, then repeatedly continued to do so.
There are also shortcuts in those specific games.
There are also shortcuts in those specific games.
I don't like SMB2 but SMB1 and SMB3 are masterpieces with perfect controls and feeling that put a lot of todays platform games to shame.
I'm in the same boat. Never got into SMB2 but I don't know why. SMB is great and SMB3 is in my top 3 all time list.
My opinion has always been that the first game is good, the second one sucks, and the third game is just "ok." I actually agree with you that Super Mario Land is more fun, but not because it's easier; I just find the theme more interesting.
They should also have added punching to Super Mario Bros. as well so you can just hit the goombas with punches and kicks like in Super Mario 64. That oughta make it fairer too, right?
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I largely disagree with just about everything stated in the OP, but I will say I do largely find Kirby games more interesting than Mario. But I also don't really consider those to be pure platformers, either (at least from Adventure onwards), so I don't think it's a fair comparison
I never really liked Super Mario Land.
It feels like a pirate / unlicensed game in every single way, like the extremely wonky physics, the completely different music (like the public domain music when you get the star), the mechanics that are all similar, yet completely wrong (the fire flower bounces... everywhere? And the Koopas explode and you can't kick their shells?), the too cute ♥PAUSE♥ text when you pause the game, the random additions to the game that feel very inconsistent with anything else from Mario... It's just so weird. It doesn't feel right at all.
Mario Land 2 still has a lot of those weird moments, though not as much. And it's a much more solid game thanks to the much better physics, and hey, at least the Star music isn't public domain, lol. But it still feels very weird, very un-Mario at times.
Basically, I'm glad the team made Wario Land. Even though I'm not a fan of them, they at least made something derivative on their own that works very well.
It feels like a pirate / unlicensed game in every single way, like the extremely wonky physics, the completely different music (like the public domain music when you get the star), the mechanics that are all similar, yet completely wrong (the fire flower bounces... everywhere? And the Koopas explode and you can't kick their shells?), the too cute ♥PAUSE♥ text when you pause the game, the random additions to the game that feel very inconsistent with anything else from Mario... It's just so weird. It doesn't feel right at all.
Mario Land 2 still has a lot of those weird moments, though not as much. And it's a much more solid game thanks to the much better physics, and hey, at least the Star music isn't public domain, lol. But it still feels very weird, very un-Mario at times.
Basically, I'm glad the team made Wario Land. Even though I'm not a fan of them, they at least made something derivative on their own that works very well.
For me, yes lol (I ain't trolling)! I have tried numerous times to just sit down with Mario 1, 3, and World without save States and I get frustrated everytime. It feels less forgiving for me than something like Celeste or meat boy because like I said, you just try one screen over and over in those games. In Mario however, if you run out of lives, you get sent back to repeat levels you already did, which kills my vibe when I'm running through. I feel like I have more control in Celeste or meat boy or end is nigh as well. Different strokes I guess.
I really have tried to sit down with these old marios but most of them I cannot play without getting frustrated as hell.
(And btw no I don't think meat boy is "easier than any Mario game". I just think it is more forgiving than the old ones that set your progress back pretty far if you game over).
Even with a few deaths, it's easy (and really fun) to clear SMB in under 7 or 8 minutes.
I feel like OP couldn't have played many old games if the original NES Mario games are this difficult.
Come on, thinking running in Mario is some kind of baffling advanced technique is fair game for mockery.
"Fair game for mockery"
Good to see nerds are just as good as finding reasons to be dicks as anyone else.
Just so we're clear, someone being bad at Super Mario Bros. is a valid reason to mock them.
You'd make the wimpiest fucking bully.
Mockery of the (franky ridiculous) opinion, not the person. No one is going so far as to say the OP is a bad person or idiot, just that his frame of reference is very, very limited as far as 2D platformers goes if he thinks running is too intense.
It's being bad at a video game. It's not a thing where mockery should even enter the equation.
I'm not big on Land 1 or 2, but Wario Land beats out SMB1 and 3 handily for me. I guess I just never got the appeal of the traditional 2D Mario gameplay. I played a lot of them, they were some of my first games, I am in the direct audience for being nostalgic for it -- but they were always ever just the games I played because they were the ones I had at the time. I never beat SMB1 or 3 "legitimately", ie. without some form of save years later.
But SMB2 USA rules.
But SMB2 USA rules.
