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I am a lifelong Star Wars superfan and I refuse to watch the upcoming films from David Benioff and D. B. Weiss
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Do people actually watch Game of Thrones for just tits and dragons? I feel like that's only a thing because Ian McShane said it. I know many people who watch the show and never heard a single person, in-person or even online, ever actually say, "I love Game of Thrones just because it gives me my weekly tits and dragons fix!!"
To be fair, the show did remove a lot of the weird romanticisation of peadophilia in the books.
But otherwise yes.
i mean ill just be skipping it because it will be garbage
theyve already shown they cant write for shit
why would i want to sit through that
theyve already shown they cant write for shit
why would i want to sit through that
well, KK has been known to cancel or rehire directors/writers later in production/preproduction. Which, btw, I've always seen as a good thing. She's got the balls to make those hard choices, when they are necessary, even if it looks messy. So yeah, KK watching this last season, maybe she'll make a change. Lol
Read the OP twice and still am not sure why the OP doesn't like them. Based on the comments, it seems like it's GoT related, but I dont watch that.
I feel this way more and more each year, yet I still get so excited for any new Star Wars.
So yeah, as much as a lot of it has disappointed me, and as dumb as most EU stuff seems to me, I still get excited whenever they announce more movies.
I feel this way more and more each year, yet I still get so excited for any new Star Wars.
Like, I don't like episodes 1 and 2. 3 is bad, but I like it still. 4 is groundbreaking, but a little cheesy now and tonally dissonant. 5 is a masterpiece. 6 is really good for like 40% of it. 7 was great. 8 was good for 40%. Rogue One was great. Solo was good.
So yeah, as much as a lot of it has disappointed me, and as dumb as most EU stuff seems to me, I still get excited whenever they announce more movies.
Or that Josh Trank, who was coming off of Chronicle, was fired after Fan4stic and being snitched on by Kinsberg.
Then you have a problem with the entire way the story is presented from GRRM, because the arc and backstory of the Targaryen's is a central point of the entire series.
Thanks to those who agreed with my initial post in this thread, unfortunately I have been warned against posts like this:
Not sure how posts like "okay." are any better, but I'm not a mod and don't assume to know how they discern what is and isn't appropriate. I'm out.
Not sure how posts like "okay." are any better, but I'm not a mod and don't assume to know how they discern what is and isn't appropriate. I'm out.
And there wasn't much in the way of dragons for the first couple seasons!
I'm sure the main attraction in hiring D&D was their experience in managing such a massive logistical production like GoT. Kind of a direct response to the issues with Trank or Lord & Miller.
Has any character before ever been as character assassinated as Jamie was in that episode?
The entire point of his character, his arc and everything about him is that even at his absolute worst, there is a level of empathy for other people that seeps in. And he spent seven seasons learning to embrace that by escaping from Cerseis prescence, so much as to be repulsed by who she is when he meets her again.
The entire point of his character, his arc and everything about him is that even at his absolute worst, there is a level of empathy for other people that seeps in. And he spent seven seasons learning to embrace that by escaping from Cerseis prescence, so much as to be repulsed by who she is when he meets her again.
In the books he developes it more and it's still not at that point, I'm not against the idea of Dany turning bad but it needs to be done properly
David Benioff wrote "The 25th Hour" which is one of my favorite films and is a Spike Lee Joint. So the way he has let the story become so shitty is quite sad. Season 8 has been so sladash and poorly written. I'll even agree that since season 4 the story hasn't been as great as the previous seasons, but even then it was better than most other stuff on TV. The spectacle, directing of action on screen, and work of the crew and most actors has been top notch all along, it's just their plotting and writing has been crap. After last night I do honestly worry about them working with the Star Wars property. The one redeeming factor of their possible story has been that it will not be related to the Skywalker Saga.
History of bigoted writing by D&D
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Since people are being disingenuous here is a brief crash course on D&D's history of racism, sexism, and homophobia in writing GoT that is different than the books:
Racism
- Weird, non-answers when asked why 99% of the principal cast are white
- While Essos is made up of people of a variety of races and ethnicities in the books, the TV show makes all the slaves and other poor people of Essos into people of color, adding an uncomfortable and unnecessary white savior element to Dany's narrative that didn't previously exist
- Missandei, the only woman of color on the show, is brutally executed, prompting Dany and her army of PoC to begin violently ransacking a city
- Dany's wedding night with Drogo goes from a "consensual" sex scene in the books to what appears to be a forced rape in the show
- Jaime rapes Cersei against in the sept at Joffrey's funeral in another invention of the show. Concerningly, nobody involved in the production seemed to recognize this scene as rape until people complained when the episode aired
- In a major departure from her book storyline, Sansa is sent off to Winterfell to serve in a roughly analogous position to Jeyne Poole, a minor character from the books. Sansa is violently tortured and raped repeatedly to further Theon's redemption story arc. Sansa later escapes and continues on her normal character arc, which could have just happened anyway without the rape. In season 8, Sansa suggests that her experiences with Ramsay made her into a stronger person
- Brienne, a woman who repeatedly asserts her strength and independence, is paired off with Jaime, who immediately abandons her and leaves her a crying mess in the street
- Dany's actions are repeatedly characterized as unusually cruel or brutal despite resembling those of male characters from past seasons. Varys suggests that Dany is unfit to rule because she is not a man and this goes unchallenged by the narrative. The final battle of the series is between two insane women while their rational male lovers stand by helplessly, waiting to step in and save the country from them
- While homosexuality is treated in the books in a similar fashion as it was in real life (essentially "don't ask, don't tell"), the show takes an anachronistically 21st century view of homophobia, turning the majority of Westeros into Christian extremists who believe homosexuality is some kind of sin against the gods
- This results in several major changes to the plot, most notably Loras and Margaery being imprisoned for reasons completely different from the books
- Several characters with queer sexuality, such as Cersei, Dany, and possibly Jon, are straightwashed in the show
Even if you don't like they're work for GOT, how does that mean you won't like they're work in something else? That goes for anything really. If didn't watch movies from a director/writer because they made one movie I didn't like, I'd miss a lot of great movies
Thanks for this. These points of criticism are valid and I've always had an issue with them.
The series is coming to an end so a lot of passionate fans are angry it isn't ending the way they had envisioned. Plus the shortened seasons didn't help.
Anyway, I'm vaguely interested in their take on Star Wars. Can't be any worse than the last couple of movies that came out.
It's going to be interesting to see the think pieces 5 years to a decade from now about how GoT ended and the fan backlash to it.
It's not my favorite season for sure but I'm largely enjoying it too. I've also only ever watched the show though and wonder how much of the rage is predominantly from book readers or an even split between the two audiences.
You need to rewatch GoT. A lot of what's happening can be easily found in the series in earlier episodes. Danny snapping is entirely foreshadowed in earlier parts of the show. She's always had a heavy temper. Is it so hard to think she grew to despise not only the queen but her people as well?
Women/PoC/LGBT+ folks: The show is offensive and I'm concerned that the biggest show on television ever is repeatedly showing itself to be misogynistic/racist/homophobic because fiction affects reality.
Show fans: Haha sounds like someone's BUTTHURT their fave didn't win!!!
Women/PoC/LGBT+ folks: ...no, we're annoyed because the show is offensive and it's concerning that the biggest show on TV is repeatedly showing itself to be misogynistic/racist/homophobic because fiction affects reality
Show fans: Haha sounds like someone's BUTTHURT their fave didn't win!!!
Women/PoC/LGBT+ folks: Please stop mindlessly dismissing our criticisms and feelings as invalid simply because we're criticising something you enjoy.
Show fans: Haha sounds like someone's BUTTHURT thei
Show fans: Haha sounds like someone's BUTTHURT their fave didn't win!!!
Women/PoC/LGBT+ folks: ...no, we're annoyed because the show is offensive and it's concerning that the biggest show on TV is repeatedly showing itself to be misogynistic/racist/homophobic because fiction affects reality
Show fans: Haha sounds like someone's BUTTHURT their fave didn't win!!!
Women/PoC/LGBT+ folks: Please stop mindlessly dismissing our criticisms and feelings as invalid simply because we're criticising something you enjoy.
Show fans: Haha sounds like someone's BUTTHURT thei
Series have always been incredibly sexist and racist to me and a reason why I couldn't enjoy it, where rape and tits are shown for shock factor. Some people says it's "historically accurate" because women and PoC had less rights before, all while fucking dragons fly around burning shit.
Thanks, very good, concrete, points, thanks. These are reasons that should be questioned, and not the quality of the writing.
And calling people disingenuous is not fair since not all know or see this since, like me, don't interpetet (many of them at least) in the same way due to white privelege and not being of minority group, I would guess, hence why I need more direct points.
But thanks, and very good list.
I'm sure this is a typo for Rian since my phone just did it too.
I'm not nervous at all. RJ is a chance taker and creative. Something Star Wars needs.
As shitty as the writing is in Game of Thrones right now, the last few Star Wars movies aren't much better. Minus all of that sexist, racist and homophobic stuff because no way is Disney going to let them get away with any of that.