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I am a lifelong Star Wars superfan and I refuse to watch the upcoming films from David Benioff and D. B. Weiss
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I'm glad I'm not this kind of fan. This is the reason why franchises like Sonic continue to exist in their current form, the fan base will support mediocre or bad releases.
You can be a fan and still show criticism or even refuse to support certain aspects of a franchise. Come on now.
Why not?
Isn't the world of ASOIAF racist in the books? If yes, why wouldn't the show be racist?
"You're not a true fan unless you blindly follow the property no matter what!"
Huh? Wtf kinda post is this? Lmao. Did you read the OP at all? You don't think the OP has genuine reasons to not want them to make the next SW?
the last thing Star Wars needs is quick cut action scenes and boring cinematography
But most of Endgame at the very least, went to character building? There wasn't much action in Endgame other than in the last act.
Yeah I've been thinking a lot how many of some of the greatest scenes have actually been penned by them, as I haven't read the books I wouldn't know. But I do know that Tywin/Arya scenes are among my all time favorites and Cersei/Robert scene was great too (just rewatched the episode).
I was also a huge Star Wars fan growing up, I had my stickers, games, light sabers, other toys and I even made kind of a book about Star Wars. I didn't really like prequels very much and I haven't really loved anything Disney has churned out, yet I'm still watching. So even though I think Game of Thrones used to be better, I'm most likely watching D&D Star Wars too and don't except any less from them than what Johnson or the spin-offs have accomplished.
I do agree with OP though that they did Brienne dirty, I don't know if it was sexism or not but I hated it.
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I would argue "real fans" are willing to call what they love out for the betterment of it. What you're describing is a blind fan.
This list is so inaccurate it's not even funny. You're somehow absolving GRRM of everything and making ridicolous claims.
Somehow the show is more homophobic that the books that feature Jaime taunting Loras with "I'll stick my sword in a place not even Renly would find?". We are "informed" that Renly is homosexual through backhanded insinuations and open mockery (see: Stannis).
I won't touch the other subjects but this revisionist history that makes GRRM's work immaculate and the scriptwriters some monsters is not a good look.
You are fucking crazy if you want some harassed over the fact a fucking tv show didnt go the way you wanted.
Jesus christ.
Some of this is bad (especially straightwashing), but the contemporary notion that including bad -isms in a work or fiction is actually a sign of the creator having sympathy for or implicitly endorsing those -isms is weird.
Like, changing the nature of homophobia in the world of the show, and subsequently the fate of some characters, is not an example of homophobia on the show creators' part. It may be bad or hacky writing, a clumsy attempt at commenting on contemporary political mores, but that is a separate sin.
Also, "challenged by the ________" is another category of bad criticism that precludes the possibility of works of art implicitly assuming the intelligence and/or decency of their audience, rather than heavy-handedly and explicitly decrying a particular form of bigotry or ignorance.
given how everyone involved with major decision-making with Star Wars have been hacks, like Abrams, it's only fitting for a franchise that has always had dumb paper-thin stories with action spectacle, it begets such people.
Yeah you need to calm the fuck down. Online harrassment shouldn't be condoned.
Every thing I hear about GoT just sounds so unappealing, even from those who like the show. That's even before factoring in some of the douchey handwaving responses in this thread to any pointed criticism. How many more variations on "u mad?" are people going to post? (literally just got 1 more as I was typing this lmao christ)
Same with Last Jedi. Any time something gets too big people become too emotional.
I mean, I never said I wanted anybody harassed, and if that was implied then I apologize. I want the negative reaction of Book of Henry and Fant4stic that cost their directors their Star Wars gigs to carry over here. These two shouldn't be rewarded with the biggest movie franchise because of their talent at failing upwards.
Hoping for an "extreme and toxic backlash" similar to how MRAs and gamergaters reacted to Last Jedi really isn't a good look mate
You familiar with how Hollywood works? Failing upward is a time-honored tradition.
I mean I agree these writers are shit and I agree with the homophobic and misogynist points of criticism, but some of the racist critiques in the OP are not very substantial.
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This is somewhat disingenuous. Poor white people are portrayed often in GoT, like the peasants in Flea Bottom, King's Landing, and small Westerosi villages. It just so happens that Essos has lots more people of color than Westeros because of where it is geographically (just like Medieval Africa and Asia), but within Essos, strong and wealthy and intelligent people of color are portrayed (like the rulers and warriors of Dorne), but there are also poor and enslaved people (which happen to be of color, from my understanding, because that's the dominant race there).
But feel free to point out if I'm wrong, because I only read Book 1.
Yes I agree
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This is somewhat disingenuous. Poor white people are portrayed often in GoT, like the peasants in Flea Bottom, King's Landing, and small Westerosi villages. It just so happens that Essos has lots more people of color than Westeros because of where it is geographically (just like Medieval Africa and Asia), but within Essos, strong and wealthy and intelligent people of color are portrayed (like the rulers and warriors of Dorne), but there are also poor and enslaved people (which happen to be of color, from my understanding, because that's the dominant race there).
But feel free to point out if I'm wrong, because I only read Book 1.
Yes I agree
My question is why people are saying this type of thing about one season. The books ran out after S4, right? And some people consider S6 one of the best. S5 and 6 were both solid and 7 was decent aside from the time/travel jumps. 8 has had a few good episodes too. So what is the deal here? People just forget about the good seasons in order to further an agenda?
Then my choice of words there was poor, but I never invoked MRAs or gamergaters.
Yep, today i learned "superfan" is just another way to spell "fucking crazy".
About rape between the show and books, while it's apparently true that Sansa specifically wasn't raped in the books it still seems to have more rape overall than the show. Though this is few years old analysis already so maybe the show has catched up https://tafkarfanfic.tumblr.com/post/119770640640/rape-in-asoiaf-vs-game-of-thrones-a-statistical There's a lot showrunners didn't include to their adaptation, even though they also added some.
Game of Thrones' Final Season Draws Backlash Over Portrayal of Female Characters
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/l...-daenerys-targaryen-twitter-reactions-1210005
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/l...-daenerys-targaryen-twitter-reactions-1210005
Where do you think the backlash to TLJ came from? Are you going to dig your head in the sand on that?
I had no idea that D&D's planned trilogy was up before Rian Johnson's. A little surprised by that tbh
Hm, I've misread part of your comment as you wanting extreme and toxic backlash like SW got. My bad. Just regular extreme and toxic backlash then.
Game of Thrones' Final Season Surprises Viewers Unfamiliar with Foreshadowing
If you expected Dany to have a happy ending you would always be dissapointed.
Really, most characters didn't/won't get a happy ending.