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criteriondog

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I feel this will be a controversial topic, and these are my opinions and concerns. If you don't agree with me, that's okay. I just wanted to hear everyone's thoughts and have a discussion. Maybe I am looking at Stadia negatively, but I am wanting to see the community's thoughts and why they're excited or concerned.

I don't believe in Google Stadia. We're one month away from the supposed November launch, and we don't even have a release date. I do think the technology is innovative and what Google is doing is interesting. It seems to be pushing Sony and Microsoft to work together and further into cloud gaming. Though, that's not the reason I am concerned about Stadia.

I am disinterested in Stadia because of the games and because of Google's history of shutting down/killing services. It doesn't give me hope that Stadia will be around for that long.

Looking at the games, there's been around 40 games announced according to the Stadia website, and there are only two exclusives that we know of, being Orcs Must Die 3 (timed) and Gylt. The majority of the other games are ports, or are multiplatforms launching the same time as other consoles/PC. To me, Stadia is missing a killer app, and the games list isn't exciting if you own any other console or PC. There are some big names associated with Stadia, Phil Harrison and Jade Raymond come to mind; but instead of hearing these names, I want to see some of the studios they're building or acquiring to generate hype and interest.

I do understand Stadia's approach is different, appealing to people without a console. Though, I think most people who want to play large scale titles, like RDR2 already own it elsewhere. There's also the concern of ISP's and datacaps. I do understand that there are many places without datacaps, depending where you live and who your ISP is. Although, I believe the majority of Stadia's consumers will have a datacap, at least in some markets. If you decide to subscribe to the Stadia Pro service for $10, you will be able to stream 4K 60fps games, which I imagine will eat through consumer's datacap.

My last concern is Google itself. While I believe this is a much larger investment for Google than some other products it's introduced, I still have the thought that Google will eventually kill the service. I think we're due for a Stadia Connect soon, so hopefully that sways my concerns.

edit: Forgot to mention, the Made by Google event is on the 15th. While it's the Pixel 4 event, since Stadia is a Google product, it wouldn't surprise me if we got some more news on Stadia then.
 
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Google's marketing seems confused. I don't think they are doing a good job of either appealing to existing core gamers or expanding their reach to more casual gamers on mobile. Anyway, Stadia's November launch is clearly just a test run of sorts with the limited Founders' Editions and Premiere Editions and whatnot. The main product, Stadia Base, isn't even releasing until sometime next year. I'm more interested in how Stadia performs in the long run. Its launch will undoubtedly be soft, but I don't think Google is expecting Stadia to light sales charts on fire initially.
 

Musubi

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So then don't buy a founders pack and take a look at Stadia next year when it launches for everyone.
 

Eumi

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The lack of a killer app is one of the best things about Stadia.

Game streaming is great as an alternative, but might be one of the worst things to happen to gaming should streaming become the only way to experience a significant chunk of games. If google are focusing on offering ports of games with likely higher graphics than their console counterparts, that's a ok in my book.
 

CloseTalker

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Doubting Stadia is the least controversial stance you could have on this forum haha.

I'm really curious to see how it goes. I have 75mb/s internet, and unlimited data, so I'm theoretically a good target for the service, but I want to see impressions first
 

Derachi

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I think Google shutting it down like they do most of their services is the prevailing opinion OP
Came to say this. Google's business plan seems to be "try something, and if it fails, kill it." Even if Stadia proves successful, I don't trust Google to not kill it, so I will be investing zero time or money into it.
 

Musubi

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The lack of a killer app is one of the best things about Stadia.

Game streaming is great as an alternative, but might be one of the worst things to happen to gaming should streaming become the only way to experience a significant chunk of games. If google are focusing on offering ports of games with likely higher graphics than their console counterparts, that's a ok in my book.

Exactly. That's why I'm excited for it. I want to play Doom Eternal and Cyberpunk 2020 but i'm going to have to severely compromise on graphics or frame rate to play either of them. Stadia lets me get around my Laptop's limitations. It won't be my main place to play anything. Still going to get a PS5. Still going to get games locally on my PC with gamepass but for some titles it makes sense as an alternative to get a better experience.
 

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A killer app like Halo for Stadia would be far less effective than a killer app for a console because Stadia doesn't lock you into its ecosystem. One can easily buy the killer app, play it on Stadia Base for no extra cost, and then go back to using a console or PC as their primary platform.
 

erikNORML

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I'm interested...if it actually works. I have an alright gaming laptop but with random issues popping up running certain games and ballooning file sizes I would be interested in using this to play some third party titles on it instead of steam. Obviously the getting shut down issue would suck but I wouldn't invest in any games I'd want to own long term on it. The launch messaging has absolutely been a mess though for sure.
 
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It feels wrong buying a cloud only version of a game at full price.

Having said that, I really hope they put out a demo so I can try it out myself. I tried the ea cloud beta test and that ran like shite.
 

SilverX

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Nah we aren't there yet, I have no interest in Stadia. Sony basically finally did a commercial launch of PlayStation Now just to say "We have been doing this for a while and now the masses are going to know we beat Google to the punch". But streaming games just isn't the next big thing coming in the near future, next gen consoles are.
 

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I find the idea of paying full price for something I have no meaningful ownership of to be extremely off-putting. If Netflix was "pay $20 to stream each movie, or $50 to stream each season of TV" it would've never taken off. People are willing to give up ownership of media for cheap subscriptions, but the value proposition of owning a physical (or even digital) copy vs. paying the same price to stream off of Google's servers is just not there.
 

Zoph

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It's an interesting case of trying to sell something I'm not entirely sure anybody really wants. Consoles have a clear appeal; extremely low barrier to entry and it just does the thing you want it to do.

Stadia is offering the latter, but hasn't done nearly enough to justify why it's superior at the former. Data caps and poor broadband infrastructure will keep this out of a lot of people's hands, and the lack of guarantee over any ownership over your cloud games is a reasonable concern they have basically shrugged off.
 

Musubi

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It feels wrong buying a cloud only version of a game at full price.

Having said that, I really hope they put out a demo so I can try it out myself. I tried the ea cloud beta test and that ran like shite.

Do you buy digital games? If so whats the difference really as far as "ownership" or access is concerned? In both cases your just buying a licence.
 

Jaded Alyx

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I can't say I'm concerned about it because that would imply I care about it.

And I can't really care about it currently as I highly doubt it will work well where I live - if it's even made available here.
 

adumb

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I'm not concerned. It'll come, it'll die, and we'll be posting in 'lol remember stadia' threads in a couple of years.
 

Legacy

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I think Stadia will be DOA, I've barely seen any news recently and not convinced by their plans. Will be following founders' impressions to see how it is received
 

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I don't want to buy into Stadia for that reason myself. I'm still a bit burned about the death of OnLive. I loved that service back in college. With the campus' internet speed, I could play Deus Ex Human Revolution on a netbook that could otherwise barely run Diablo II. I even picked up the micro-console (which is now a very warm USB charger), and the controller (which is completely useless now as the PC doesn't recognize it).

Cloud gaming still has a long way to go, even today, and especially in the U.S., where internet speeds are still not that great overall. Maybe Stadia will help change it, but more than likely it's going to just be another couple steps down the road to a larger destination.
 

bargeparty

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I'm not even gonna read this post. Is Stadia your child or something? What's to be "concerned" about? It's a gaming platform, if you don't like it, don't use it, nothing will be lost.
 

Mercador

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Not sure why you say it's controversial, I think several people here think the same thing. On my side, I work with GCP since two years now and I lost my faith about Google. Even my phone (Pixel 2) is filliing with Google bloatware. I think they lost their edge but I don't see Microsoft taking the lead either so I guess we'll see a new IT player emerges eventually.
 

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google glass'd in 1 or 2 years.
the platform instills zero confidence, it really feels like google has absolutely no idea how to launch a game platform, and it inherently doesn't seem like good value. a streaming service where you have to pay full price for the games and have no way to natively play them on any system just seems unappealing.
 

skeezx

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i think it's more of a trojan horse thing. they don't particularly care to go in guns blazing but want a foothold in game streaming, whether it thrives under the Stadia banner or whatever they don't really care

maybe i'm being glass half full on Stadia and it bombs and six months later google closes down all game initiatives, like maybe they really are fumbling around on this. but i'm taking a more forest from the trees approach, it won't live or die on a stellar launch
 

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If youre disinterested why would you give a shit?

Unless you mean you WANT it to succeed but dont think it will
Also this isnt controversial.
I give no fucks for it and i see it dead in a year.
If im wrong im wrong and it at best becomes a backup option for some people
 

thebishop

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I think when the free tier of Stadia goes live next year, practically everyone on Era will use it. Even if it's not their #1 platform, it will be a super convenient way to play multiplayer, and to share single player challenges. There could be a thread about an 'Souls boss with a url directly to that battle in the OP. If the streaming tech is good, then the benefits of streaming (and in some ways Stadia in particular) are going to be hard to overlook.
 

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The meme about them cancelling projects is oft repeated but not very convincing when you think about the google products that actually live and die. OS, Browser, Navigation, Email, Search, YouTube; the stuff not 'killedbygoogle.com'. They seem to have spared the most important things from the axe for some reason. Meanwhile the 'graveyard' is populated by unpopular features like Hangouts On Air, Youtube Leanback, G Suite Training, Etc.
 

Venatio

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I'm very interested in the tech, but there's little reason to jump in at launch with that lineup.
 

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I think when the free tier of Stadia goes live next year, practically everyone on Era will use it. Even if it's not their #1 platform, it will be a super convenient way to play multiplayer, and to share single player challenges.
i don't see that happening AT ALL. you'd still have to buy the games, the games aren't free. and i don't see many people, much less people on era, wanting to pay for the games that they can only stream.
to me streaming sounds really cool when:
a, it's a subscription service like netflix. you pay a monthly fee, you can stream anything on the service.
b, it's a BONUS feature where you'll be able to stream games you already own and can natively play on a console/pc

the idea of a streaming only service where you have to buy the games individually, and on top of that pay a monthly fee if you want the highest quality streaming, is a very tough sell.
 

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As someone who bought a pretty decent laptop less than a year ago I don´t know what Stadia can offer me. I mean my latop will still be able to play new games for some years and with Stadia I still ahve to buy my own games so if I´m not interested in 4K what´s in it for me?
 

Musubi

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The meme about them cancelling projects is oft repeated but not very convincing when you think about the google products that actually live and die. OS, Browser, Navigation, Email, Search, YouTube; the stuff not 'killedbygoogle.com'. They seem to have spared the most important things from the axe for some reason. Meanwhile the 'graveyard' is populated by unpopular features like Hangouts On Air, Youtube Leanback, G Suite Training, Etc.

Pretty much. So many people have written this off in here without even trying it. The "Google kill everything" has just become a meme. I can understand maybe not wanting to throw in $150 for the founders edition or something but its crazy to me just how many people aren't even willing to judge the thing on its own merits and give it a shot without some preconceived opinion about it.
 

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Not concerned here, it will launch and do moderately well for a couple of months,

then PS5 gets revealed with the new PSNow then Xbox Next with XCloud.

Stadia is going to be dead in the water, want streaming today? Get on PSNow and play some amazing PS exclusives
 

cowbanana

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All I feel when it comes to Stadia is an absolute disinterest whenever I read the name. Since I have a PC and all the other gaming systems I want as well as fast, fiber optic internet and a love for physical media and local hardware, Stadia doesn't register a blip on my radar.

Paying full price for "cloud games" on a Google service, oh lol.
 

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Not concerned here, it will launch and do moderately well for a couple of months,

then PS5 gets revealed with the new PSNow then Xbox Next with XCloud.
that's a big reason too why it's hard to be optimistic about stadia, it's coming out right around when companies who actually know what they're doing when it comes to gaming and already have huge catalogs of games to offer (including exclusives that stadia will never be able to match) are coming out with similar services. where does that leave stadia? will it ever have something like gow/uncharted/halo/forza to offer as an exclusive?
 

Eoin

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Pretty much. So many people have written this off in here without even trying it. The "Google kill everything" has just become a meme. I can understand maybe not wanting to throw in $150 for the founders edition or something but its crazy to me just how many people aren't even willing to judge the thing on its own merits and give it a shot without some preconceived opinion about it.
The reason that Google have a reputation for killing products that aren't instantly successful is that they routinely kill products that are not instantly successful. That's not a business model that is consequence-free for Google. Every time they end a service that people were using - and by now they've done that lots of times, to lots of people - they add to that reputation.

I don't believe that Google will shut down Stadia in the near future, because it's a paid product and I think that's a key difference. However, the people who do believe that Google will close Stadia are just going by the reputation that Google have created for themselves. People who used services like Hangouts, Reader, Inbox and many others put their trust in Google and Google casually threw that trust away. It's not unreasonable of people to expect Google to earn that trust back the hard way with Stadia.
 
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