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I am concerned about Stadia
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Like 80% of those services on killedbygoogle I'd hazard to guess nobody even heard of. Sure they've killed a *few* things people have used like Reader but I feel like its mostly a disingenuous meme at this point.
There isn't anything controversial here at all. In fact all the concerns you have raised were issues that others raised when it was first announced. The data use, game catalogue, killed by Google mantra, cost of Pro, lag and image quality are still up in the air.
Personally I won't touch the service since I have consoles and a gaming PC. Exclusives won't draw me in.
Personally I won't touch the service since I have consoles and a gaming PC. Exclusives won't draw me in.
This, it feels like a really bad value proposition. I don't even particularly care for 4K (yet), but I do use 5.1. Even if I ended up using 4k the only way to *ever* play that game that way is to pay 9.99 a month to do so? For the exact same price a standard PC copy would cost me that'd allow me to do that without all the extra costs? That allows me to play offline with my own preferred graphic settings including framerate?
Yes 'But consoles and their monthly fee'. So for PC they're not offering that value in comparison, yet they're not offering what the consoles offer, which is not the console itself but the associated exclusive libraries. Instead they're pretty much offering a full list of games that's already on PC. It doesn't feel like they're competing with a console and it won't unless they start growing a first party exclusive library.
I really struggle seeing the value, and that's not because I have an issue with game streaming, I expect it to become the norm eventually and I'll probably be fine using it with my glass fibre. I just feel the negatives outweigh their offering. The only reason it's on my radar is OMD3 exclusivity period.
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Sure, 80% of the services there were barely used by anyone. However, even if ignore those entirely, try looking at the numbers of people who were using the remaining 20%.
When corporations mess about with the trust of hundreds of millions of people, they should do in with the awareness that those are consequential actions that damage their reputation. They shouldn't pretend that they're meaningless, and you shouldn't either.
And the fact google has a very well known reputation of dropping products or changing policy's out of the blue.
let's be honest here the only cool left in google is the non tech Who want to be digital savvy people, who think it's cool to go to Google workshops and post instagrams/twitter photos saying they are at Google ;)
google search and YouTube are starting to Walk a very thin line with their bad habits of policy changes and monetization which could see them start to see loss of market lead.
They really need a fresh leader like Satya to take the lead as it feels like a bunch of teens deciding things while on a lunch break
This is what I was going to ask do people really think Google are going to take $60 game away from people just like that.
This is actually probably going to happen and is the real reason to be concerned. 10-15 years from now we'll very likely no longer have physical hardware for games except for PC's.
honestly not sure why anyone is putting any thought into stadia at this point. its a very poor value and doesn't make any sense. its likely to fail without major changes, and most assume google will shut it down in a year or two anyway. they come out with bizarre shit like "negative latency" and "ISPs will adjust data caps for us". like what are they even thinking?
Thankfully it is, but it's going to be a tough wait :)
I'm also skeptical the PC version will be any different from the Stadia version, despite their Stadia promotion about how many orcs the game could have but I guess we'll see. It was funded by Google after all.
Probably would've been great value had they made OMD3 F2P on Stadia or something, it would get a ton of people to at least try out the service. Or at least offer it as a free monthly game but I'm not sure they'd do that before it's out of it's exclusivity period since it would hamper sales on other platforms. After that I could see it showing up though. Still, that means you could only play it with the fee, I'll get the local over that.
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I'm not who cares if google succeeds or fails. They're rich beyond belief and probably don't pay taxes
This just seems to be a soft launch for Stadia. It's like getting an early consumer VR headset - it's for enthusiasts to use and aid in ironing out the issues.
Problems like data caps aren't an issue worldwide, and I doubt they'll stand in the way of the efforts Microsoft, Sony and Google long-term, especially when it's already a conflict with 4K streaming Netflix or soon Disney+.
I don't think it's technology that will be interesting until we enter next-gen. Google are getting a start now but I think they're just laying the groundwork for having a compelling service in 2021 when you can play those sparse next-gen exclusive games without upgrading.
Problems like data caps aren't an issue worldwide, and I doubt they'll stand in the way of the efforts Microsoft, Sony and Google long-term, especially when it's already a conflict with 4K streaming Netflix or soon Disney+.
I don't think it's technology that will be interesting until we enter next-gen. Google are getting a start now but I think they're just laying the groundwork for having a compelling service in 2021 when you can play those sparse next-gen exclusive games without upgrading.
I'm not concerned because I don't think it will be worth anything to begin and end with. It's like being concerned with the Ouya.
Could you think of some examples of games like these in the past that wouldn't have also been exclusive to the platform they were on? (PS/Xbox) Or are you mostly thinking PC here?
many Games claim you only own a license to play them. Always on may try again to rear it's head next gen. Game ownership isn't as cut and dry as it was once upon a time. But I get the concern. For me, I am not concerned. The price to play if fairly cheap, I am sure there will be free to play games, and we will learn more in the future.
I am critical of their marketing campaign, which sucks. We are one month out for founders and we still don't have a cohesive vision, IMO.
I am critical of their marketing campaign, which sucks. We are one month out for founders and we still don't have a cohesive vision, IMO.
That even if I'm at home, I still have to play a cloud version of a game.
I guess i don't get why that's a hangup especially if you've eschewed physical media at this point.
I am obviously not the target here but I see no reason to use Stadia, not when Xbox and PlayStation are also offering proper streaming soon and have a wider array of games. Ultimately the quality of the service and games will matter the most, but so far they have shown me no reason to invest.
There aren't a ton - Assassin's Creed Unity comes to mind. Dying Light was also a fairly early next-gen only commitment. There will also be multi-gen games where, based on the specs, Stadia could assert visual parity with next-gen hardware.
I feel like this is the correct image to be used here. I'm worried about it too and probably won't be investing early on, would love for it to prove me wrong and stick around as I think the potential is enormous moving forward if it can survive a rough beginning.
I was also pretty excited for Google+ a bit ago and I think we know how that went.
The only exciting thing about Stadia is the Wi-Fi controller, since it interacts directly with the router instead of the device playing the content. That might save a few precious milliseconds in latency where every millisecond counts, and will make it easier to hop from device to device for those that want to use that functionality.
It's the economics of the system that squanders that bit of potential, though. There are great game streaming services available right now (like GeForce Now and its Seemingly Endless Beta) that use existing PC game libraries. Buying a Stadia game that's only good on Stadia makes it dead in the water for anyone with decent local hardware or even a console. If their target market is people that want to buy full price AAA games but don't already have even a local console, but also happen to have great internet, then I'm sure that demographic will be happy. I just feel that this demographic is so thin that Google will write off Stadia in 2-3 years because that's what Google does.
It's the economics of the system that squanders that bit of potential, though. There are great game streaming services available right now (like GeForce Now and its Seemingly Endless Beta) that use existing PC game libraries. Buying a Stadia game that's only good on Stadia makes it dead in the water for anyone with decent local hardware or even a console. If their target market is people that want to buy full price AAA games but don't already have even a local console, but also happen to have great internet, then I'm sure that demographic will be happy. I just feel that this demographic is so thin that Google will write off Stadia in 2-3 years because that's what Google does.
with no data cap and fast connection, i can definetly see an appeal for it.
like i will not be able to play red2, cyberpunk or whatnot on my pc anywhere near 4k 60fps. without substantial upgrades.
so definetly willing to give it a try,
really suspicious about the latency tough.
like i will not be able to play red2, cyberpunk or whatnot on my pc anywhere near 4k 60fps. without substantial upgrades.
so definetly willing to give it a try,
really suspicious about the latency tough.
So PC games mostly, not something you'd actually buy (or replace) a console for. I get why, with Stadia's payment model of a monthly fee, they compare themselves to consoles but gamewise I'm just not seeing the logic.
They're not guaranteed to be 60FPS on Stadia either so if you have 4K anyway but aren't reaching 60FPS gameplay you may want to wait to see if the game on Stadia is 30 or 60FPS before trying it out. (the videostream is guaranteed to be 60FPS but not the gameplay)
Nothing really new here, but personally playing Red Dead Redemption 2 on ultra settings is already 100% worth it.
Third Party Games are the killer App.
Third Party Games are the killer App.
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Because I'm playing a cloud version of a game........
There is a big difference in terms of digital game and a cloud game.
In this day and age 50% of the games are already always online.
Well yes but I don't understand why that makes it inherently less valuable. Cyberpunk 2027 is still Cyberpunk and still the same content no matter if you play it on console via steam or via streaming.
I'm very curious in trying Stadia, but I don't think I'm going to be comfortable buying games for the service until first I know it works well, and second of all Stadia is here to stay.
Until then I hope there are some free to play games I can play around with on the service come next year.
Until then I hope there are some free to play games I can play around with on the service come next year.
Look up big 2019 releases. While you will find some always online games (Apex, Anthem) and some "works offline but requires online for unlocks" games (MK11, CTR) the vast majority of games released this year do work just fine offline.
We're gonna see how it goes I guess. People over here are not their target audience (or at least we shouldn't be). Most people here have a console / gaming PC and I just can't see how Stadia can interest us. I'm pretty cool with having graphics tuned down on my PS4.
Actually, thinking about it.... who is their target audience? I think at this point most people interested in gaming are involved already.
Actually, thinking about it.... who is their target audience? I think at this point most people interested in gaming are involved already.
Google can't maintain a goddamn thing that's not the Google search engine and Chrome. (Without considering the RAM consumption)
Stadia is a concept that has merit, and while I was more than happy to see another company approach the console market, living in a dream land where bandwidth and data consumption isn't a problem all over the US is not the way to approach it.
Stadia is a concept that has merit, and while I was more than happy to see another company approach the console market, living in a dream land where bandwidth and data consumption isn't a problem all over the US is not the way to approach it.
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