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Foffy

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Oct 25, 2017
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Hey homies. Normally I keep my personal shit far off the internet, and I may regret sharing all of this, but I am stressed out and deeply concerned about the wellbeing of my family, primarily my father, due to a lot of problems my mother causes. I believe these may be related to her brain going, so I am concerned it's dementia.

First, I should explain my case. As of Tuesday, my mother was admitted to the hospital as she had a severe case of sepsis, which coupled with her diabetes, has cost her to lose two toes, with one more planned to be removed next Tuesday. There are two problems here: the first here is this is the second time she's had to be amputated, and in both cases, the doctors and staff have done tests to see her sugar levels over prolonged periods of time, showing with evidence that she doesn't take her medication. Despite this, she yells and fights with staff any time this is mentioned, by saying she absolutely takes her medication. We have records that even pills for her have not been picked up since May of this year; she claims she hasn't picked up any because "she has extra."

I would have assumed this is a pathological lying, until I went through mail at home. Hoarding letters, never opening them, often being letters of notices of late fees. We found out she's months behind on a mortgage -- there's literally money there, and the first thing that is to be paid via my dad's pension is the mortgage -- and she's at least three payments behind. And yet she said she's up to date. We found out she hasn't been paying my dad's life insurance for seven years but she says she has. I think her brain might be showing signs of forgetfulness, as looking at payments shows she's quite literally paying things the day of some of the letters she opens. This is especially bad as she's a fuckin' control freak, acting like a know-it-all-know-nothing, and this is becoming very harmful. She has changed all of the password's on my dad's accounts, so he can't even go in and check himself. This more or less means many of the payments, and their assumptions of their payments, only come from her words, which increasingly are untruths, but she presents them as if they're the truth. It's as if when she's confronted, her mind freezes for a moment, and then refuses it. I'm also reminded of this checklist, and while I don't want to be an armchair doctor, I'm easily able to check off signs like forgetfulness, depression, failure to have proper hygiene, poor coordination when walking, and apathy.

This leaves me a bit lost as to what to do. The first thing I plan on is helping my dad set up automatic payments for things: there is literally zero reason for half of the things that have late fees or are being paid late to actually be paid, for he's allocating the first check of every month to cover nearly all of the major bills. They're simply being paid late or worse not at all because my mother isn't doing anything about it. The second, and hence the reason I am asking for help here, is how can I help someone who is looking like she is increasingly entering another world? Wouldn't she refuse help like she's refused simple medicine? Wouldn't she deny this, much like how she says her lost toes aren't because of negligence, but "freak accidents?" How would I be able to even approach a doctor to test her? Say "my mom's bad with finances and lies to doctors about nonsense?" She's caused a significant level of financial negligence to my dad, but she oftentimes seems to have no sorrow or even awareness of the problems. It's gotten to a breaking point this week, and I feel absolutely clueless on how to make sure all of this is solved in a meaningful manner. The scale of some of these problems is more or less caused by her alone, with her wanting to control things yet often times forgetting to do things.

Sorry for the rambling and tl;dr personal shit fam. I'm kind of up a wall, panicking if the home is going to be foreclosed upon because she controls the finances and she very clearly can't even control herself to take three pills a day. Something is just ready to burst here, and I imagine if it gets to my point, it would quite literally kill my dad. I'm quite lost on how to actually arrange these issues in a way that's ultimately productive for the depth of the problems in question.
 

Lord Fagan

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Speak with the doctors about this specific concern and ask their professional opinion or if they have someone they can refer you to for a private consultation.

If you really want to help her, make sure that a licensed expert takes time to examine her and determine what, exactly, is wrong with her. Even with the best of intentions, trying to diagnose as a layman can backfire if you guess wrong. They'll be discreet, they'll know what to actually look for, and what will actually help treat her if something is truly wrong. She could just be very stressed, as could you, and they can help with that, too.

But the fact that you're seriously wondering and want to do what's best for her means you're starting in the right place.

Best of luck, OP.
 
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Foffy

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'll just add that you should avoid all confrontations. Let the pros do the work.

That's a bit difficult to do, seeing as she has to be confronted on the financial side...we don't know if she paid last month's mortgage payment at all.

Am I to work around that by having my dad explain the concerns to his banks, and requesting they reset his passwords for him? He doesn't have passwords to his accounts.
 

Zoc

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Oct 27, 2017
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A friend of mine had been going through this, only his mom is also showing pretty severe paranaoia. He's trying to get "power of attorney" over her, which makes him her legal guardian. That lets him get her passwords and banking in order. This is Canada, though, I don't know if it would be the same term.
 

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That's a bit difficult to do, seeing as she has to be confronted on the financial side...we don't know if she paid last month's mortgage payment at all.

Am I to work around that by having my dad explain the concerns to his banks, and requesting they reset his passwords for him? He doesn't have passwords to his accounts.
Just speaking from a personal psychotic episode point of view, Things can get real ugly REALLY quickly. See help ASAP.
 
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Foffy

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Oct 25, 2017
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A friend of mine had been going through this, only his mom is also showing pretty severe paranaoia. He's trying to get "power of attorney" over her, which makes him her legal guardian. That lets him get her passwords and banking in order. This is Canada, though, I don't know if it would be the same term.

Seeing as the bank accounts are primarily my dad's -- it's his name and his money -- couldn't he simply use that as an argument to reset access?

Like, she's literally so controlling that if the sepsis killed her, my dad wouldn't be able to pay for anything unless he personally called each place he owes money to and manually pay with the cards he carries. He can't access his cards on their affiliated websites. That's how much control she has here.

All of the payments are online, and she often hides the monthly bills and payments. We only found them because she's not home.
 

Zoc

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So is your dad willing to put his foot down here? If the bills aren't being paid he'd be pretty justified in taking back control account by account. You could help him, I'm sure.
 
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Foffy

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So is your dad willing to put his foot down here? If the bills aren't being paid he'd be pretty justified in taking back control account by account. You could help him, I'm sure.

Yes. I told him he has to take control of the accounts, but he wants to automate payments, as he doesn't trust my mom for good reason, and he's not good with computers.

I'm just worried if the banks will fight him, or she won't cooperate. Actually, I'm worried that both will happen at once. She closed his credit cards without his approval too, so that's put him in debt...she bombed his credit. He went to get a new car last month and the dealer was legit shook at his credit score versus his income. We're talking he takes home double the median American income, barely spends anything on frivolous things, so it's all delinquent payments or shady shit. He has a credit score as if he lived on payday loans, which does not match the level of income he has.
 

Nivash

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Oct 25, 2017
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There are a lot of warning signs in your story, you're right to be worried. The first thing that needs to be done is really to make sure that she's properly examined for dementia. There are memory tests that can be done to estimate how much she's affected. If you're lucky, she might turn out to actually be completely unaffected and that she's just having a bad run with too much to do for her alone to keep track of - even cognitively healthy people can lose track of medication and finance.

But if she does turn out to show clear signs of dementia, you're both in for a challenge. You're describing her as combative and determined, which isn't unusual for people in early stage dementia - they feel something's wrong but have declined to the point where they can't determine what, and that often leads to controlling behaviour and conflict with others. Some are still intact enough to understand their diagnosis once given and leave the rest to loved ones, but many aren't.

If it is dementia, things will keep declining. There's no telling how fast, however. My own 98 year old grandmother was diagnosed 10 years ago. She's far gone in memory and most higher functions have declined, but she's way better off than anyone could have expected. She can hold a conversation and take some care of herself with help from staff. I didn't expect her to even be alive at this point. Best of all, she's not anxious or depressed. In some ways she's happier than she's been in decades because she doesn't feel a need for control anymore. Others decline more rapidly, however, and the way the decline takes place is very individual.

My advice for you is, provided that she's diagnosed with early-stage dementia, to try and convince her to get affairs in order. She needs to let others manage her finances for her. She needs to accept that she can't fully care for herself. Eventually, she will need 24 hour care and to be admitted to a home. The earlier she, you and other relatives plan for this, the easier the transition will be.
 

.exe

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My girlfriend's grandmother has recently been diagnosed, but at that point it was unfortunately far too late. Institutionalization was also necessary because they would forget whether they'd have eaten, where they were, whether the stove was on or off, etc. There were some notable signs 3-4 years ago, but the grandmother had resisted getting specialized care or examination and insisted on living independently. Seemingly pathologic lying or misconstruing past and current events as well as paranoid behavior in order to make sense of events she could no longer understand were one of the major symptoms. Flash forward to today and it has progressed at an extremely disturbing pace, to the extent that she cannot recognize her own grandchildren and at times even her own daughter.

This is not to say that this will be your experience, but, as others have rightfully noted, seeking professional help is of the utmost importance -- even if it's just to check. Describe the symptoms and your concerns with a GP and see what can be done in terms of examination, how the situation can be handled as delicately as possible, whether there is cause for concern at all. A mutual understanding that this is coming out of a place of love and concern is very important for possible dementia patients. Time is an important factor. So is keeping the brain active and learning new skills. There is a window of time where, through therapy and medication, it's possible to pull a handbrake on the illness's progression (if this is indeed what's going on) and ensure years of lucidity.

If you have any questions, feel absolutely free to send me a PM and I'll ask my girlfriend since she's far more knowledgeable about this than I am.
 
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Pirate Bae

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You should definitely take her to the doctor to get her tested. My grandmother was the same way when she was first diagnosed; very stubborn, would forget everything, kind of hostile to be around and talk to. She kept saying things like, "You don't believe me" and "you guys have it out for me, I can't trust you at all", which is obviously not true in the slightest, but she was confused and irritated. I'll share some of my family's story below, to give you some advice, if I can.

My mother, aunt, and grandfather took my grandma to several testing places at various hospitals, and they all confirmed the same thing. That she was suffering from dementia due to her developing Alzheimer's, and while there was nothing that could be done in terms of a permanent cure, they prescribed her medication to try to combat the symptoms. She would forget to take them, and believed the doctor's were trying to poison her, so it fell on my aging grandpa to make sure she kept up to date on her medication. It didn't do much. Over the past few years, she has rapidly declined in regards to her mental health. At first it was subtle changes, like she would recognize me, and knew I was family, but couldn't put a name to the face. Then it got worse, like she would forget that she even had children, or that she was retired and no longer had to get up to go to work in the morning. My grandpa has been taking care of her for years, so that she could keep living in the comfort of her own home, but he has recently had his own health problems and can't keep tabs on her properly anymore. These days, her condition is so bad that she has been getting up in the middle of the night, wandering around outside, asking for her deceased siblings, having paranoid episodes, etc. My mom and her siblings recently went to a lawyer and adjusted the terms of her care with my grandfather (with his consent) and it looks like they'll be forced to put her in a nursing home soon. She's a danger to herself without 24 hour care, and my grandpa just can't provide that anymore. We've tried to get nurses and stuff to visit the house, but both my grandparents adamantly refuse to have a stranger in their home, so we kind of don't have any other options at this point.

The reason I tell you this is to offer some advice. And that would be this: you have to put your foot down. Insist that your father listen to you in regards to the finances, and tell the same thing to your mom. Get her tested, right away, if there is any doubt in your mind as to the possibility of dementia. It is no joke. My family has struggled for years with my grandmother's condition, and I feel like a lot of those problems were caused by fighting with her about the things that should have been non-negotiable, such as taking medication. You have to understand that no matter what, you are acting in her best interest, and your father's, too. Don't hesitate to seek help if you need it. Insurance will often cover in-home care if the need is great enough. Talk to a lawyer about power of attorney, if it gets to that point. The sooner you do these things, the better everyone will be in the long run.
 
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I'll echo the power of attorney suggestions. My mom went through the same thing with her parents: my grandmother had clear signs of dementia, and my grandfather was in denial for a long time. My mom had to push really hard to get them moving on necessary things like getting my grandmother into nursing home, and it was made harder by the fact that, by the time she realized it was an emergency, my grandmother's mental state was so bad that there were extra legal hoops to go through (since the court system is obviously hesitant to determine the wishes of someone who can no longer speak for themselves). It wasn't pleasant, and it was pretty emotionally draining for everyone involved, but when my grandmother died earlier this fall, my grandfather told my mom how grateful he was for her having taken the lead years ago and acting so decisively.

You're probably in for some tough conversations with your parents, so talk to their doctor and your lawyer first, so you know exactly what the situation is. Also don't be afraid to look for support group in your area, because -- from what I've seen -- it helps to talk to people going through the same thing. Good luck!
 

gaugebozo

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I'm so sorry for your troubles. I think my mother is starting to show the same signs after it happened to both of my grandparents. Talk to a doctor or organization to get help for her, but don't forget to get help for yourself from something like a support group and your family. It's very difficult dealing with dementia in a family member, and it's easy to lose yourself in taking care of them.
 

weemadarthur

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This depends on your location.
State law varies in the USA and if you're in another country, I have no knowledge.

There are multiple kinds of Power of Attorney. Financial, medical, and complete. If a person is declared incompetent to handle their own affairs, which is a government process with documentation from medical personnel, they may be assigned a Legal Guardian. This CAN be a family member, but also there may be professionals who will do it.

It can be dangerous to give a single person control of the finances AND medical choices for a Vulnerable Adult. Sadly, it makes them easy targets. Also, turning family members into caregivers causes lots and lots of stress and there may be special training and services in your local area to help with it.

If you want to PM me your location, I will be happy to help you find the information you need on how to proceed. Some things are at a County level, some are State. Knowing your mom's health insurance is important here. Getting a diagnosis, despite her combativeness, is the first step.