I can't take hearing about Climate Change anymore

Oct 27, 2017
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This thread is case in point in what I've been saying about the media sensationalizing climate change. Instead of making people aware and wanting to fight climate change, it either scares people into thinking there is no point, or much of the hyperbole surrounding it just completely turns people off.
It's actually pretty hard to sensationalize. It's a fucking global crisis that threatens the existence of every living thing, it's comic book, movie level shit. Yes, in the same breath we must always talk about the solutions that are in front of us, but we've minced words about this issue for decades already, that time is over.
 

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And that's where you're wrong kiddo. Technology has saved humanity's ass every single time, there's no reason to believe it won't do it again now.
Sure, we may not have the means to drastically reverse climate conditions right now, but who's to say what will be possible in 20 years' time?
When did that happen? Did I miss some crazy events?
 

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Climate change poses massive economic damage that will effect your average persons quality of life in western nations, will pose risks to habitability in specific regions that will face more extreme heat in already tropic area and require large scale investment on coastal cities to build sea level barriers (if it's geologically viable)
i like how you completely fail to mention the billions of people in the global south who will be killed, while the western over-consuming nations build up borders and concentration camps (which they're already doing).

What do you think all white people will do when the brown and black folk come knocking at the door? Europe got nazis running for government just because of a few hundred thousand refugees, what do you think they'll do when tens of millions migrate from the "specific regions" towards hospitable countries like in the global north?
 
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You're extremely ill informed if you think extinction is a threat from climate change.

Climate change poses massive economic damage that will effect your average persons quality of life in western nations, will pose risks to habitability in specific regions that will face more extreme heat in already tropic area and require large scale investment on coastal cities to build sea level barriers (if it's geologically viable)

Knowing the risks of climate change is important because you should be informed, listening to people who scream "we're all going to die" is just having that "fight or flight" part of your brain take over your emotions on a topic that effectively digs into the existential part of your mind that doesn't see a way for you to do anything about the topic which will have an impact on your life down the road (or now depending on where you live)
It feels like "we're all gonna die" is all I ever hear.
I am starting to calm down a bit now though. My panic attack is subsiding a bit, but the concerns that we could go though an apocolyplse is absolutely an immense encompassing fear of mine. The fears outlined in my OP are very real, although reaching waistland tribes and bandits raiding my home is def not somthing I think of often unless I'm having a panic attack.
 

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yes obviously we need to be in the middle when it comes to addressing climate change. let's just keep doing what we've been doing the last 30 years, i'm sure it will work out!
Yep, this is exactly my point, thank you for the example.

It's so easy to say something so brainlessly stupid like assenting to the idea that humanity will go extinct in 80 years due to climate change, than to be realistic about it. Because if you're realistic about it some moron will quote you and say "Yes let's be a centrist addressing climate change because that's really worked well," or whatever mind-numbing contribution you just offered.
 

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I believe that by 2100, humanity will go extinct. My friend, he disagrees. He believes that merely the vast majority of humanity will die.
You two must be fun at parties.

It'll take a bit longer than 80 years for humanity to die out, but with population growth and resource scarcity both increasing the way they are it's very likely life is going to suck pretty bad in thirty or forty years. Eventually, those that don't die of starvation will live below the poverty line while the rich continue to exist comfortably.

I don't think we'll ever actually die out, though. The rich need the poor so they have someone to look down on.
 

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If humanity is extinct by 2100, it's going to be because everyone took a page out of your book and decided "since I can't do everything, might as well do nothing."

go outside and plant some trees or something, that's gotta be more healthy than what you're currently doing.
 

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It feels like "we're all gonna die" is all I ever hear.
I am starting to calm down a bit now though. My panic attack is subsiding a bit, but the concerns that we could go though an apocolyplse is absolutely an immense encompassing fear of mine. The fears outlined in my OP are very real, although reaching waistland tribes and bandits raiding my home is def not somthing I think of often unless I'm having a panic attack.
That's because you're on ERA and listen to people who feed into that existential fear.
 

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It's actually pretty hard to sensationalize. It's a fucking global crisis that threatens the existence of every living thing, it's comic book, movie level shit. Yes, in the same breath we must always talk about the solutions that are in front of us, but we've minced words about this issue for decades already, that time is over.
It's very easy to sensationalize it. Every single thing that happens now gets tied to climate change. And most of the mainstream news articles on it are basically doomsday pieces geared towards getting clicks.

Climate change today gets treated by the media like articles saying everything causes cancer. It makes people tune out and not care. Or it drives defeatist bullshit.
 

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This thread is case in point in what I've been saying about the media sensationalizing climate change. Instead of making people aware and wanting to fight climate change, it either scares people into thinking there is no point, or much of the hyperbole surrounding it just completely turns people off.
Sure. Let's conveniently forget that the solutions being put forth are being ridiculed because it is capitalistically and/or politically and/or culturally inconvenient which starts the cycle of dire warnings over and over again that go willfully ignored.
 

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It feels like "we're all gonna die" is all I ever hear.
I am starting to calm down a bit now though. My panic attack is subsiding a bit, but the concerns that we could go though an apocolyplse is absolutely an immense encompassing fear of mine. The fears outlined in my OP are very real, although reaching waistland tribes and bandits raiding my home is def not somthing I think of often unless I'm having a panic attack.
I strongly suggest you get off Era for a while. This place is the most scared, hyperbolic and negative community on just about everything I've ever seen.
 

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God let's fucking hope so. The universe isn't losing much snuffing out our idiotic species. Then the planet can restore itself, swallow up all our shitty invasive development and plants and animals can just chill until the next massive asteroid hits.
You're really hoping for the genocide of the human race? Man...some people
 

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Sure. Let's conveniently forget that the solutions being put forth are being ridiculed because it is capitalistically and/or politically and/or culturally inconvenient which starts the cycle of dire warnings over and over again that go willfully ignored.
Some of the ideas put forth are complete bullshit. Ideas like we need to completely stop flying planes or using motor vehicles are stupid, and would completely collapse society.

Ideas like returning to nuclear power, mass planting of trees, and the continued advances of electric transportation need to pushed and taken seriously. Not ideas that take us back hundreds of years.
 

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Lets be honest, OP, you are from a first world country. You are currently living the best possible life. Those who came before had it worse. Less choices, less entertainment, less knowledge. Why obsess about things you can't change? You can work to reduce your carbon footprint, not waste resources like water, eat less meat etc, sure. And that's good, if you are concerned, you should do that, and maybe talk to people you know about it to get them involved too. But obsessing with it to the point where you allow it to affect your outlook on life is unhealthy.

It may do a lot of good to just read generally less news and maybe even era as this place is generally extremely depressing lol
 

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You know what's really sad, when I was growing up I always wanted to take a trip to the Amazons and walk through the rainforest or go to Hong Kong or anywhere in China and look at the great wall and other things.

Fast forward to today when I finally have the money to do so, I can't due to safety. This makes me so sad that some of my bucket list cannot be completed because of safety reasons. I might just go and see regardless of what could possibly happen. I want to be able to stay all my children and my grandchildren that I did go around the world and see all these beautiful views that many people will not be able to see in the next 20 years. This is just depressing...
 
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Fella I think it's time to get off the internet for awhile. If you want to stay sane and actually live your life, you're gonna need to block out that stuff and focus on yourself.
 

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You're really hoping for the genocide of the human race? Man...some people
You're really hoping for the genocide of the human race? Man...some people
Some people have completely lost perspective and sad to see forget all the good happening in the world. All the advancements

I really believe in the good in humanity. Growing up I never imagined I could ever get married but gay marriage is legal now and accepted in most of the West. Things can change for the better no matter how bleak times may seem

Have faith in humanity people. We are doing a piss poor job of solving climate change atm but have faith in the forces of good that will eventually prevail. Don't give up on us
 

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For people who want to be involved in climate science but not want to deal with the inherent editorialization that happens from the science -> media, I can't recommend https://www.carbonbrief.org/ enough. An amazing site that breaks down studies and recent articles that are easily consumable and skip over trying to stay informed and listening to people scream "I can't wait for humanity to end" on discussion forums.
 

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I believe that by 2100, humanity will go extinct.
My friend, he disagrees. He believes that merely the vast majority of humanity will die.


How much time do we have? It feels like it will be less than a decade.
The standard of living could be very different 100 years from now. And some areas of the world will be certainly be hit much harder.

However humanity going extinct in 80 years from climate change is an absurd opinion, even for the most pessimistic about climate change.

This thread is case in point in what I've been saying about the media sensationalizing climate change. Instead of making people aware and wanting to fight climate change, it either scares people into thinking there is no point, or much of the hyperbole surrounding it just completely turns people off.
exactly
 

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I honestly believe armed revolution by the left is the only thing that can save the planet (the true left, not liberals who like free market capitalism). Especially with Balsanaro hell bent on destroying the Amazon.
 

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Is it so bad if humanity went extinct? We had a good run, made a ton of plastic that will "outlive" us by millions of years, and started trashing up the place, hell we even put some litter on the moon. Everything great must end one day.
 

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Yep, this is exactly my point, thank you for the example.

It's so easy to say something so brainlessly stupid like assenting to the idea that humanity will go extinct in 80 years due to climate change, than to be realistic about it. Because if you're realistic about it some moron will quote you and say "Yes let's be a centrist addressing climate change because that's really worked well," or whatever mind-numbing contribution you just offered.
There is no good way to talk about this sort of thing that doesn't lead to apathy or despair.

If you say "We're not going to turn this thing around without consequences" people will say "No point in trying to do anything then!"

If you say "It won't be as bad as alarmists say." people will say "Guess we're fine, I'll just continue on as normal."

Which is why I fall in the alarmist camp---there's no way to convince people to deal with an issue this large within our current framework. Basically any change that is necessary is going to be impossible to implement in democratic societies because it will cause too much pain and people are bad at being okay with temporary pain for longer term benefits.
 

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As you can see, you're going to get a lot of mockery in this thread, OP. But I don't really see anything ridiculous about your concerns. Our way of life is going to be destroyed, and nothing -- nothing -- is going to prepare ourselves for it. Not even this realization. But at least you can know that it's not your fault for feeling this way, and you need not blame and hate others when things go into a tailspin, which, unfortunately, which is going to lead to a lot of unimaginable horrors when things get really bad.
 

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Humanity will not go extinct.

There is no doubt that global change is happening. It's infuriating that some countries chose to ignore it, but that doesn't mean the chicken littles need to panic. The extent of global warming impact gets grossly exaggerated when people start to panic.

The current situation is not good but humans are extremely skilled at adjusting and adapting. There will probably need to be major adjustments and changes to societies, but they will happen out of necessity.

Humanity has survived ice ages. They will survive global warming.
 

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Is it so bad if humanity went extinct? We had a good run, made a ton of plastic that will outlive us by millions of years, and started trashing up the place, hell we even put some litter on the moon. Everything great must end one day.
This post is so Era, it's not even funny.
 

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I honestly believe armed revolution by the left is the only thing that can save the planet (the true left, not liberals who like free market capitalism). Especially with Balsanaro hell bent on destroying the Amazon.
That wouldn't work out like you think. It''s why the left has never done that in US history and isn't going to start now.
 

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You're really hoping for the genocide of the human race? Man...some people
I don't think you know what that word means.

It's simply a fact that the Earth and its many other inhabitants would be better off if humanity weren't around. Why is it our prerogative to screw that up for them? Even if we are able to resolve the climate crisis, we as a species would continue to be ruinous to all manner of fauna, just to a degree that society at large would find more palatable.
 
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You're really hoping for the genocide of the human race? Man...some people
I was being facetious but for the sake of the planet and every other living thing on it, it wouldn't be the worst thing for humans to be Thanos-snapped out of existence, when you really think about it. You end human suffering, destruction of ecological systems and extinction and suffering of animals at the hands of humans. Win win IMO.
 

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Some of the ideas put forth are complete bullshit. Ideas like we need to completely stop flying planes or using motor vehicles are stupid, and would completely collapse society.

Ideas like returning to nuclear power, mass planting of trees, and the continued advances of electric transportation need to pushed and taken seriously. Not ideas that take us back hundreds of years.
Do you think that when propositions are being put forth for slowing down air travel or personal motor vehicle usage and ultimately stopping them that:

1. It's a 0-100 plan bereft of stages?
2. That has no concurrent plans for overhauling transportation system which replaces existing tech with far more energy efficient and perhaps faster alternatives?

Good god.
 

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I believe that by 2100, humanity will go extinct.
My friend, he disagrees. He believes that merely the vast majority of humanity will die.

There's a thread on gaming side about how Video Games will be no more soon. You might think I'm a dork for caring so much about this one thing in particular, but I live solely to escape. I mean, maybe I can take some solace in that shit like DnD and books should still exist, given how low tech they are.
I don't currently have a job (Edit: I have a casual job, I apologize). Do you know how hard it is to give much of a shit when the apocalypse looms over us all? I'm an Autistic privileged middle class white boy with no marketable skills to speak of. How the fuck does the rest of the left just go on as if they could possibly live a full life with the upcoming shitstorm. Money will be worthless, your uni degree even less so.
I just wanna seclude myself in my room, protected, where I can escape into the world of fiction all I want, and nothing can hurt me.
Even in the apocalypse, bandits could totally break into my house and kill me when they take all my shit.
I've nothing but fiction and comfort. I don't want the world to take those away from me.
I'm so arrogant to think I won't simply starve. I have nothing to contribute to the wasteland tribes. Maybe It'll be a quick death if I'm lucky.
How much time do we have? It feels like it will be less than a decade. Do I even have a chance to reach at least middle age?

Edit: I've calmed down a bit now, I do apologize, I was having a bit of a anxiety attack and I needed somewhere, anywhere to talk and it's past midnight where I live. This said, my fears I've outlined do feel very real to me. I worry how much longer I have left in my comfortable life before somthing breaks, and climate change just seems like an inevitability that is unfightable. I mean, I can get a job, being unemployed is somthing I can fight, I in fact have a casual job right now that I enjoy a lot, during the very very few shifts I get, but planning for the future, for a career feels pointless. I worry about how much time I have left.

Then again, witnessing the apoc would be a more preferable life over getting hit by a car tomorrow and dying instantly. Which is entirely possible.
2100 is a bit too soon but for sure, humanity will destroy itself within a few hundred years. There are too many uncaring old people and deranged religious zealots running the world for our course to change too dramatically. I used to think there was still hope but then Bolsonaro happened, humanity deserves to fizzle out. Maybe the cockroach-men will do better in a few million years.
 

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How many times do you read 2100 climate reports in regards to "business as usual" projections? RCP8.5 is known as "doing nothing" emissions pathway. And that is exactly what it sounds like, no policy, low renewable, basically building coal plants till like 2080.


With global coal use having declined slightly since its peak in 2014, it is hard to envision a world where coal expands this dramatically in the future even in the absence of new climate policies. This is particularly true given the falling prices of alternative energy technologies in recent years. A forthcoming “expert elicitation” – where energy experts were asked to assess the likelihood of various outcomes – gives RCP8.5 only a 5% chance of occurring among all the possible no-policy baseline scenarios.

At the same time, however, it is important to recognise that predicting future emissions is inherently extremely uncertain. For example, a recent study co-authored by Nobel prize winning economist Bill Nordhaus argued that the world has a 35% chance of exceeding RCP8.5 by the end of the century. While most energy researchers think emissions of the magnitude in RCP8.5 are quite unlikely, they are by no means impossible.
A lot of people who read things in the media don't know what RCP8.5 is or how it differs from RCP6.0, or RCP4.5 and so forth. And it's not that they are "stupid", it's just this is more on the "boring" side of climate science and isn't as sexy to talk about in the media, but it's incredibly important in context of climate studies that the media reports on.
 

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Back in my early 20s I was in a similar position to yours, drowning myself into escapism and nihilistic thoughts about the future, it was the height of the 2008 crisis, that had terrible consequences for my country at the time, and that caused me to drop college, you could say it was a self-fulfilling prophecy.

My only advice to you is to not be afraid to reach out and accept help from others.
 

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How many times do you read 2100 climate reports in regards to "business as usual" projections? RCP8.5 is known as "doing nothing" emissions pathway. And that is exactly what it sounds like, no policy, low renewable, basically building coal plants till like 2080.




A lot of people who read things in the media don't know what RCP8.5 is or how it differs from RCP6.0, or RCP4.5 and so forth. And it's not that they are "stupid", it's just this is more on the "boring" side of climate science and isn't as sexy to talk about in the media, but it's incredibly important in context of climate studies that the media reports on.
Thanks for posting this. I shall be perusing it forthwith.
 

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This is the most delusional thing I've ever heard. We'd be lucky to make it to the next 80 years. Like seriously lucky
Only if you assume an unholy trinity of climate, technology, and war occur.

Climate change moving people to "hubs" for resources, technological decoupling from jobs cult cultures meaning people lack access to resources, which then leads to a flashpoint of conflict. The civil war in Syria was started by climate, so people shouldn't expect this type of problem to not exist.

But that trinity? The Pentagon believes this will happen, even in the United States. Now I don't believe the human species will become extinct, but we're talking about a future where tens of millions of people are all but guaranteed to die. To think that won't happen is delusional.
 

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if you think it's not so bad that humanity will get wiped out that's a pretty clear sign you're depressed and you need to visit a specialist.
 

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It's perfectly natural to be distraught over the death of the planet. To not feel that pain is to disassociate from the life systems that support us -- which unfortunately is the mindstate that many of us live in.

I recommend reading Joanna Macy and sitting in nature for a few hours.
 

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start going to the gym, become good at something. immerse yourself in constructive things. sooner or later you won't have the time to worry about climate change and you'll be content knowing that voting for the right people and not being wasteful is the best you can do.
 

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I don't think you know what that word means.

It's simply a fact that the Earth and its many other inhabitants would be better off if humanity weren't around. Why is it our prerogative to screw that up for them? Even if we are able to resolve the climate crisis, we as a species would continue to be ruinous to all manner of fauna, just to a degree that society at large would find more palatable.
Hoping for the deliberate extinction of humans is hoping for genocide of the human race. I won't get into an argument over why I don't want everyone on the planet to suffer and die in 80 years, we're not going to see eye to eye if that's what you want.
 

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It's perfectly natural to be distraught over the death of the planet. To not feel that pain is to disassociate from the life systems that support us -- which unfortunately is the mindstate that many of us live in.

I recommend reading Joanna Macy and sitting in nature for a few hours.
So this is why I have issue with peoples personal editorialization of climate change, especially on ERA.

Because the effects of doing "nothing" is inherently catastrophic, but saying shit like this has huge emotional impacts on people who could be alarmed but wanting to find solutions to climate change, think that EARTH IS GOING TO DIE and there is nothing that can be done.

And those people who fall into nihilist climate change denial (and that's what it is, you're creating people who because they think nothing can be done are as dangerous to the people who advocate that climate change doesn't exist) spread that toxic response further, and you suddenly have an entire website where any climate topic turns into a circle jerk of "nothing can be done and we're all going to die".

Which is what OP has fallen into. People who are susceptible to this existential despair read these threads and think "well, if all these people who I agree with think this way, then it must be right!"
 
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It's very easy to sensationalize it. Every single thing that happens now gets tied to climate change. And most of the mainstream news articles on it are basically doomsday pieces geared towards getting clicks.

Climate change today gets treated by the media like articles saying everything causes cancer. It makes people tune out and not care. Or it drives defeatist bullshit.
Dude: we are in a doomsday scenario. Click bait media or not, that's the truth. June was the hottest month on record, then July. Everything is tied to climate change.

People know cigs cause cancer but smoke anyway. People do illogical, self-harming things. Doesn't mean we shouldn't talk about how bad that is.

Speaking strictly about America, voter turnout proves that most are already VERY tuned out of politics. Speaking about the climate crisis in realistic terms is paralyzing, but we've danced around this problem for decades. It's an imminent crisis, we can motivate people through a combination of hope and fear, but the fear in this case is very realistic.