I Do Not Understand Not Having A Child Because Of "Climate Change" And The Like
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No one is screaming at you to be born. To be plucked from non-existence into this sentient horror is downright catastrophic.
On the other hand, people often interpret it that way ('desperate to weigh in on the lives of others') even when people just voice their opinion or reasons without at all trying to shame another person into making other choices. Same with veganism or driving an electric car or whatever.
Just let other people make their own choices either way and don't automatically feel like the other is forcing anything on you if they try to do something good for the environment.
Because eating animals and directly contributing to suffering should be just a personal choice, right?
Its hypocrisy, especially when a lot of these people have pets that they wouldnt want served on their dinner plate
The door is right there, champ. I wager we’ll do fine without your 4Chan-level discourse and viewpoints.
But seriously. Maybe it’s time to shut your computer off for a while.
My reaction gif is just me being fascinated by the sentence, is all.
I found it thought provoking.
I do agree that this site tends to skew a bit extreme on this topic, but what you just said here flat out sucks.
Extreme, in what way? I see this everyday outside too. Most people are Polyannas who would justify any suffering for that positive high.
OP, its just single millennials in their 20s posing. nothing more.
wait till they get to their mid 30s, settle down with a woman the same age and then get harassed for a baby daily. see how long their resolve lasts then.
wait till they get to their mid 30s, settle down with a woman the same age and then get harassed for a baby daily. see how long their resolve lasts then.
I really hope you talk to a professional about this.
This is a fascinating but impossible argument to resolve. If you believe the science and assume we'll live through catastrophic global instability as a result of climate change, it seems cruel to knowingly condemn a child to live through it. But if you already have kids, of course you'll want to assume everything will be OK (at least for your and their lifetimes.)
We can't separate our emotions from this debate, but nature doesn't give a fuck about how we feel. We're all convinced we're in the right, so we'll just keep doing whatever the hell we want until the gravy train stops.
You're ignoring the part where I think your opinion sucks, and I'm not going to play your game
If parents bring a child into the world (especially if they know how bad it is and how bad it can get), children should be allowed to sue the shit out of them
I get the impulse, but yeah I can’t really get behind the idea. Climate change is bad because I want a world that’s fit for as many people to be prosperous in it as possible. Cancelling the next generation is a great way to save the planet and then have no one around to benefit from it. And again, I get the impulse toward not wanting to bring children into a world that may end up worse than the one you knew, but none of us would be hear if generations of people hadn’t brought children into a world way worse than anything we could imagine in the past. Someone needs to exist to maybe build a better future.
You would have to very weak to cave in to this zerosum game of social darwinism
Without kids you wouldnt have the bloody history of this race and that would be a great thing indeed.
Sure bud, let's bring more children into the world so they can fight the wars for water or whatever thing is missing, at the rate this planet is going to shit.
It's absolutely easy to understand. Hell we might even live to the point where the world just entirely collapses...
It's absolutely easy to understand. Hell we might even live to the point where the world just entirely collapses...
The reason why we're in this mess is because smart people who recognize a problem when they see it are outnumbered by idiots who keep their fingers in their ears forever. It's literally the intro to Idiocracy.
Eh, everyone has their own reasons why they don't want to have kids and I just respect their decisions even if I necessarily don't agree with them and move on regardless.
You don't want kids because of climate change, then that's your decision, who am I to say you're right or wrong.
You don't want kids because of climate change, then that's your decision, who am I to say you're right or wrong.
It's just funny to me, that's why I'm here. Half these people will be talking about the Funko pops and video games and other useless shit they bought next week.
And y'all are seriously trying to have a conversation with banshee150? The person that had a thread saying there should be an A.I. to run the planet and make choices for society like Metal Gear???
Yeah your viewpoint is totally fucked
Thank God I don't know anyone like you. Seek help for real
Are you seriously acting like people having to pack up their homes (who may not even have the chance to do that) isn’t a big fucking deal? That could be a life changing event for thousands upon thousands of people. Look at the people who have lost their homes in the California wild fires. Fuck outta here with acting like moving your whole life is just a minor inconvenience for the people affected by it, fucking hell.
I don't see how this is a different reasons than those others you have mentioned. Everyone has their own reasoning and if people seriously think they don't want to contribute to overpopulation and don't want to produce another human being that's going to pollute the planet (if there is still a planet in 50 years according to some people), then so be it.
I am not having kids but you should really get some mental health help. Your posts are completely anti social and frankly sickening.
eh, I never wanted children, climate change is another great reason to not have any but the main one is that I find purpose in life in other stuff.
If someone doesn't want to have children because they don't want them to suffer climate change that's fine as well.
If someone doesn't want to have children because they don't want them to suffer climate change that's fine as well.
I've never understood why people are so pressed about why others don't want kids lol. Like who cares what their reason is? Why does this keep you up at night?
This is doubly weird if they're in the US. The country that makes it unnecessarily hard to have kids is always full of people so perplexed and annoyed at complete strangers deciding not to have kids as if it affects their own life in a way.
This is doubly weird if they're in the US. The country that makes it unnecessarily hard to have kids is always full of people so perplexed and annoyed at complete strangers deciding not to have kids as if it affects their own life in a way.
Every generation thinks they’re the last generation. Humans are very narcissistic
This takes people blaming to a whole new level hot damn. First the oil company tell me to stop using the AC during the summer. Now they telling me to just not be alive. Lmao.
Reducing population isn't a solution it just delays disaster. We are at the point where once we get to renewables and virtually 0 emissions, we need ongoing climate reversal for decades if not centuries. Educated 1st world people are needed to staff the R&D and construction of that tech.
You can hit 2 birds with 1 stone by modernizing 2nd world nations - they can participate in such projects and their population will decrease. China has illustrated that people will stop having so many kids on their own and austerity with the delusion of controlling that has severe consequences but whatever stokes your ego I guess.
You can hit 2 birds with 1 stone by modernizing 2nd world nations - they can participate in such projects and their population will decrease. China has illustrated that people will stop having so many kids on their own and austerity with the delusion of controlling that has severe consequences but whatever stokes your ego I guess.
There's a been a lot of threads about opinions on having kids or not lately.
While one can share why he/she does or doesn't want to. A balanced person should never impose his/her view or shame someone else on this ridiculously personal matter and choice.
Most ERA peeps are very judgemental on this subject, both sides.
While one can share why he/she does or doesn't want to. A balanced person should never impose his/her view or shame someone else on this ridiculously personal matter and choice.
Most ERA peeps are very judgemental on this subject, both sides.
Yes and unless those two people are total maniacs with no regards to millions of human lives (possibly theirs included), it's easier to have those not do anything than to have several billion people make noticeable changes to their behaviour.
You don't need to "stop demand for food and water". Just be more conscious of what kind of food you eat and maybe don't spend an hour in the shower everyday.
And people's existing consuming habits & refusal to change them give those companies the power to lobby.
People say those things because it’s easy to cast that stone while simultaneously feeling like they’re making an honest contribution by not having kids. Why take any real action for the environment when you could do literally nothing and sleep better at night over it? It’s fine not to have kids for any personal reasons you like. Don’t bring an unwanted child into this world. But for childless people pointing fingers at parents about the environment, take that somewhere else. You’re essentially arguing in favor of humanity’s extinction, and if we’re to go extinct, I’d rather take the chance of current and future generations figuring out how to survive and improve the planet, instead of wallowing in despair at my computer and hoping people stop reproducing.
Developed nations are having fewer children though. The birthrate is falling for most of those nations, and places like Japan are concerned about falling too far below replacement level
Same here. The world was a far more hostile and terrible place generations ago. None of us would be here now if they had the same thought process.
Personaly I have no problem against it. In fact I prefer someone who doesn't want to have kids to someone who wants them for bad reasons.
People trying to make me feel bad for having kids because life is hard/climate change? Nah.
Also, I follow a rule in life, I never take advice from overly negative people. They just bring you down into their pit of despair. My life is way better since I follow that rule.
It isn't just about the carbon impact of the child. It's about seeing the direction of the world and thinking, "No one's doing a goddamn thing and it's only going to get worse. What will it be like in 60 years, when I'm gone? Shit, man, I'm getting my tubes tied." That is, of course, my own tubes. Personally, I don't feel I have the right to put a human through that, I have anti-natalistic tendencies. But you do what you want. Someone's gotta serve me my drive-thru coffee until the collapse of society. Capitalism needs a steady supply of teens.
China, the place that had the one child law, is a great example of a nation whose population stop having so much kids naturally ?
reasons, people look for reason to justify their choices
I will be honest, I don`t want to retire with teenagers on my ass. I got old and it`s too late for me
I will be honest, I don`t want to retire with teenagers on my ass. I got old and it`s too late for me
It's ironic that the people most likely to not have kids due to climate change are the ones living in countries that will be affected the least.
I only have a North American perspective, but I can guarantee you that North America won't be turning into Mad Max anytime soon. The places that are going to horrifically collapse are the places that are already on the cusp of overpopulation in fragile environments. It's insanely pessimistic to think that North America will suddenly go medieval when faced with droughts or people needing to move to Montana. Climate change doesn't make oil go away, it doesn't make electricity go away, it doesn't make computers go away, it doesn't make machinery go away, etc. Disaster happens when you have 1 billion people in India without food/shelter stuck next to hundreds of millions of other people without food/shelter encircled by desert.
The things threatening North America's future are the economic implications of climate change destroying the global south, the threat of military invasion, and the threat of a billion person migrant rush. It's not an issue of "North Americans won't be able to live anywhere."
I only have a North American perspective, but I can guarantee you that North America won't be turning into Mad Max anytime soon. The places that are going to horrifically collapse are the places that are already on the cusp of overpopulation in fragile environments. It's insanely pessimistic to think that North America will suddenly go medieval when faced with droughts or people needing to move to Montana. Climate change doesn't make oil go away, it doesn't make electricity go away, it doesn't make computers go away, it doesn't make machinery go away, etc. Disaster happens when you have 1 billion people in India without food/shelter stuck next to hundreds of millions of other people without food/shelter encircled by desert.
The things threatening North America's future are the economic implications of climate change destroying the global south, the threat of military invasion, and the threat of a billion person migrant rush. It's not an issue of "North Americans won't be able to live anywhere."
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