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I had forgotten how bad 30 FPS was...
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Actually I'm going to integrate that into the official smoothness rating:
< 30 FPS: filmic smooth.
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He can spot a toy from three aisles away, and an ice cream truck from three blocks, so yeah, probably.
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Nah, which brings me to another thing consoles should support: ULTRA WIDE!!!
I'm doubling down in this thread.
uh 30 FPS on video games is not fiimic. first off films are shot and made completely differently from video games so comparing FPS between the two mediums doesn't even work.
I wish I could be one of the blessed ones that don't care/don't notice any difference between 30fps to 60fps I wish I could.
I am infinitely grateful that my eyes are, apparently, not as capable as some of yours seem to be. The concept of the difference between 30/60 being anything more than a tiny disappointment that I'll quickly forget about, or something that I'd never notice in the first place, sounds terrible.
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Ah, OK. I was thinking the TV might not be in the right display settings if you're complaining about laggy responses, since it sounds like you're describing an issue that isn't necessarily tied to framerate (~17 vs 33 ms isn't that much of a difference on its own)
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Actually that might be an issue. I don't think I have game mode set up on my TV and that be adding extra lag on top. I'll check, thanks!
It isn't, what is the actual worst is unlocked framerate that hovers between 20-40 fps. The stutter makes that shit unplayable. I'll never forget how much of a garbage experience I had with prince of Persia 2008 on pc. V sync, double buffered, wide swings between 30-60. I only continued with the game when I found a way to lock it to 30fps.
I've found that using a mouse to control certain first person games at 30fps is kind of awkward. Some games handle this well while others.... Don't. The input lag is smoothed over by using a controller's less precise (not inaccurate but not 5000 dps) input in my experience.
Damn right!
I recently bought a 21:9 120hz G-sync monitor, and it's been a great experience gaming on it.
Soon the 21:9 HDR 200hz monitors will land, and everything below that will be trash!
Completely valid question. All the points you raise suggest there is lag with the controls, 60fps would not fix that. If it is the fact that the screen refresh rate is not fast enough for you then you would have an issue with watching TV too.
I have a beast of a PC and enjoy high fps and refresh rates. I still enjoy sub 30fps n64 games. People are so OTT on this forum sometimes.
I mean look at this. Come the fuck on.
I mean look at this. Come the fuck on.
It is unplayable. Even if its 100% stable, everything feels so sluggish and its just not fun to play. Even RTS games like Total War are annoying AF when the framerste dips.
But it is true that 60 fps starts looking real choppy after playing a game in the 70-90 range for example.
Yeah I remember back in the day the Win95 port of Sonic CD let you toggle between 30 and 60 FPS, the former being suited to people playing on slower hardware i.e., a 486 or maybe worse. It's visually easy to tell the difference but the change in game's responsiveness was actually pretty minimal; the game mostly felt the same either way.
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Same here.
Been playing between PC and X1 over the last couple years and felt 60fps wasn't as important as people claim it is.
For the last 6 months or so I have not played X1 much at all cause i basically let my kids have it. And the few times I've gone back to play with my son the difference is jarring. Shit looks nasty, I don't even like playing games on X1 anymore.
Been playing between PC and X1 over the last couple years and felt 60fps wasn't as important as people claim it is.
For the last 6 months or so I have not played X1 much at all cause i basically let my kids have it. And the few times I've gone back to play with my son the difference is jarring. Shit looks nasty, I don't even like playing games on X1 anymore.
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I don't think you know what you are talking about. Frame rate has a direct correlation with input latency.
I mean, you watch movies in the theater, right? Given that most of those run at 24 FPS, according to you, it should follow that playing games at 24 FPS should be just fine too.
Come on.
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It's not about the eyes. It's about the brain and how it processes the low framerate when things are in motion: Some perceive an acceptable smooth animation, others perceive an awfully juddering and or blurry mess.
As I've been in the industry over 20 years, I do know what I'm talking about. Nice try at twisting my words too btw.
The issues you raise are not related to the frame rate, the lag in the controls are because of the way it is has been coded (ie, badly). There are many many 30fps games that are responsive and control fine.
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::sigh:: Latency could be worsened by artificially by the game engine, no doubt. But the fact that the FASTEST an input change can happen on screen is doubled when going from 30 to 60 FPS is significant. There could be several frames that go by before everything needed is set up by the engine to actually start drawing the new action, and those frames will take longer at 30 than at 60 FPS.
Heck, competitive gamers swear by higher frame rates, even above and beyond the refresh rate fo the monitor simply because it reduces input latency.
"Daaad, daaad, why is everything moving with less than 60 frames per second? What is happening daaadd"
In all seriousness, I find these kinds of threads completely ridiculous. There are countless games that stick to 30 and they play just fine.
I played 4 player Goldeneye when I was younger at 10 frames per second, if I could take this, you can take 30 frames just fine.
In all seriousness, I find these kinds of threads completely ridiculous. There are countless games that stick to 30 and they play just fine.
I played 4 player Goldeneye when I was younger at 10 frames per second, if I could take this, you can take 30 frames just fine.
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No, I don't have to. There's nothing wrong with knowing that 60 FPS is just a better experience hands down, and preferring it either.
This whole "You must be elitist" bullshit is exactly that: bullshit.
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I'm sure your 5 year old could tell the difference in latency between a 30 and 60fps game. And you were nauseous from a 30fps game? God, the PC Master Race is really taking all those God of War GOTY awards hard.
Look, no doubt 60 fps >> 30 fps. No question. But you act as if 30 fps is some blight on humanity :)
I would take 30 fps with better graphics over 60 fps any day. People are different. It's not an "issue", it's preference.
But it is elitist bullshit. 60 fps looks better than 30 yes. But games are perfectly playable and they look fine at 30 frames. When I see people writing things like "how can people cope with the garbage of 30fps" my eyes could not roll harder.
- edit - the same goes with "30 fps make me nauseous". I mean, LOL.
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Oh look, another console warrior bringing up PC master race. What a surprise.
I was the one that knew the issue was latency, but yes, he did feel it too. He said it was harder to control than the other lego games we play. The controls are exactly the same, so I don't know what else it could have been. Don't fucking insinuate I'm lying. You don't fucking know me.
And I'm not alone. There's plenty of people here who agree with me. I doubt they are all "PC MASTER RACE SCARY!!!" either.
Also, again, to be clear the game itself didn't make me nauseous (and being nauseous from a 30 FPs game that moves the camera a lot is not some unheard of thing either, I know plenty of people who get sick from it as well), it was that one character with the stilted animations that made me feel nauseous.
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60 FPS looks better, plays better. This is not rocket science. It's hard for me to wrap my head around this sentiment. How could you not see why people would prefer it. Why MOST people might prefer it, after experiencing it.
Far Cry or Bloodborne 30fps yea
Horizon Zero Dawn give me 4K 30fps all day over. It feels good, and looks better than almost everything.
I'm not insinuating you're lying, I'm hypothesizing you're imagining the difference is bigger than it is because of a cognitive bias.
Coming from PC and i enjoy 60fps, enjoy it enough that a lot of games have to be 60fps for me but once i got a Nintendo switch i manage to adjust and accept 30fps but i only accept it when its in undock mode.
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That's not an impossibility. I'm only reporting what I experienced and what he told me he experienced.
The game felt slower to play, less responsive, a bit blurry, I'm guessing due to motion blur, and that damned character made me feel like puking.
Is that just because I'm so used to 60 FPS? Maybe.
It's only an issue when going right from 60 fps to 30 fps. After playing in 30 again for a bit you adjust and it's fine.