Discussion in 'EtcetEra' started by sawatsu, Sep 25, 2018.
Some of you don't understand characters like this need to exist for world building to work, especially in film's about teenagers who have active social lives. Lots of moving parts, and side-characters need to exist.
She was a well fleshed out side-character.
At the beginning of Spiderman 2 she wants Peter to kiss her and say that he loves her, few moments later she agrees to a marriage proposal of a literal NPC, on a party Peter is at.
In the end she runs away from the wedding, in a wedding dress (that her fiance probably bought too!) and gets to Peter, or maybe Spiderman and encourages him to do his Spidey thing and that it won't matter at all when they date each other.
Later on it's suddenly a problem that he doesn't have time for her and is also more popular while she herself fails as a singer.
I am sorry if I went overboard with "bitch", but I simply don't like her. It's not only because she jumps from one to another, that would be fine on it's own, but she creates endless drama with that, which sucks for me as a viewer and drags on too long. As I said in the OP, Spiderman with low focus on romance is much more engaging too me, than what we got.
Lastly, you keep using the word "side character" as if that excuses her paper-thin characterization. It doesn't. Even a side character can have depth and agency, that is not reserved solely to main characters. J Jonah Jameson in Raimi's films has agency and depth, a fucking bit comic character. You can find plenty of movies where simple side characters have agency and depth. Homecoming, sadly, ain't one.
Homecomings MJ might as well have been added into the movie in post. Felt like she really added nothing to the movie aside from dropping the occasional snide remark.
They were clearly just setting her up for the next movie. Any comparison to a fledged out character is kind of premature until the sequel drops.
Yes. The first 3 Spider-Man movies were like a sip of water after slogging through a terrible desert. It's the most delicious water you think you've ever had.
Then you get back home and crack open a bottle of the good stuff and remember the taste of that terrible post-desert water and realize the awful truth.
If you were describing Amazing Spider-Man, I guess.
I love spiderman 2
Raimis trilogy gets so much praise but I rewatched them a few times and outside of 1 or 2 moments I've always felt they sucked. Didn't help that you had 27 year old Toby walking around as a high schooler
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