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I just read about otherkin, those who claim they are. Are they roleplaying or do they actually believe in it?

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Never heard of this. Sounds like complete nonsense, just a load of people who have a pathological urge to feel like they're special, different and this is the only way they can deny their basic mediocrity.
 

Raina

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I can tell you it does, and there's plenty of people in this thread echoing the same thing. It might be worth reevaluating your preconception that there is no link between someone identifying as another race or someone identifying as another species. Both are extremely harmful to the fight for gender identity as they are co-opted by others as weapons against gender identity.

Additionally, I'm not staff anymore.
Still, I don't appreciate punching down. Transracial stuff and otherkin are not the same thing. Please stop equating the two. I know a lot of trans people in my life who would be very upset to read that their friends are being accused of working against them. Hell, many otherkin are transgender, so that makes no sense.
 

AGoodODST

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I remember the documentary about the girl in Norway who said she was a cat.

I fucking lost it at the the bit where she was with a reporter in a train station or something and started hissing at a dog walking past.
 

Charizard

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As far as my story goes... I started hearing voices in my head and believing there really was a spirit inside me in my teens, around 10th grade I think? The spirit was a green bara wolf (which alone should tell you how fucked up I was) and he told me all those nice things about how there was a dragon spirit inside me and how I would transform into one if I just gave in, or how I was about to transform into Wargreymon and shit, and stood naked in the middle of the room waiting expectedantly.

Obviously nothing happened because I was just suffering from a mental illness. What exactedly, I don't know. But it probably stems from being both physically and verbally abused nearly every day of my life until my late teens. I heard that sort of thing has a tendancy to fuck people up and cause their brains to look for an escape, even if it obviously batshit insane stuff.

Now I am over it and just suffer from normal chronic depression like a lot of my fellow millenials, hooraaaaaay. (Thank goodness for prozac)
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Lmao, I was sorta asking for this TBH.

But nah, it was a green and black Western dragon I thought was inside me. I should upload the pic later haha.
 
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As far as my story goes... I started hearing voices in my head and believing there really was a spirit inside me in my teens, around 10th grade I think? The spirit was a green bara wolf (which alone should tell you how fucked up I was) and he told me all those nice things about how there was a dragon spirit inside me and how I would transform into one if I just gave in, or how I was about to transform into Wargreymon and shit, and stood naked in the middle of the room waiting expectedantly.

Obviously nothing happened because I was just suffering from a mental illness. What exactedly, I don't know. But it probably stems from being both physically and verbally abused nearly every day of my life until my late teens. I heard that sort of thing has a tendancy to fuck people up and cause their brains to look for an escape, even if it obviously batshit insane stuff.

Now I am over it and just suffer from normal chronic depression like a lot of my fellow millenials, hooraaaaaay. (Thank goodness for prozac)

Lmao, I was sorta asking for this TBH.

But nah, it was a green and black Western dragon I thought was inside me. I should upload the pic later haha.
Interesting read, thanks for sharing. I'm glad you do feel better now atleast! (And like all millenials includes me too!) But you betrayed Wargreymon for Charizard? Good choice!
 

GayAnimeDad

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Still, I don't appreciate punching down. Transracial stuff and otherkin are not the same thing. Please stop equating the two. I know a lot of trans people in my life who would be very upset to read that their friends are being accused of working against them. Hell, many otherkin are transgender, so that makes no sense.
And I’m sure some “transracial” people are transgender too. That doesn’t mean it’s a legitimate thing or that it doesn’t ultimately hurt transgender acceptance.

It doesn’t matter if you think it’s “punching down” or not. A person believing they are a different race or species on the inside is not the same as gender identity, and transphobic people absolutely compare the latter to the former, lumping trans people in with them.
 

Maolfunction

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I can tell you it does, and there's plenty of people in this thread echoing the same thing. It might be worth reevaluating your preconception that there is no link between someone identifying as another race or someone identifying as another species. Both are extremely harmful to the fight for gender identity as they are co-opted by others as weapons against gender identity.

Additionally, I'm not staff anymore.
I'm not sure why we're giving people who punch down at trans folks by equating them with otherkin any credence in the first place.

If otherkin weren't a thing, it's not like they'd suddenly see the light regarding trans issues. Just because otherkin are an easy target for those sorts of people doesn't mean we reward them by going, "Yes, those people are weird. But we're nothing like them. You should laugh at them."

It's a fairly unempathetic viewpoint considering that there's plenty of indication that being otherkin is a coping mechanism for trauma or depression or mental illness or even body dysmorphia. Don't let these people co-opt a group of people who are often extremely vulnerable minorities by agreeing with them.

There's not an ingrained issue of privilege and arrogance like there is with transracialism. I wouldn't equate the two at all.
 

SweetNicole

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And I’m sure some “transracial” people are transgender too. That doesn’t mean it’s a legitimate thing or that it doesn’t ultimately hurt transgender acceptance.

It doesn’t matter if you think it’s “punching down” or not. A person believing they are a different race or species on the inside is not the same as gender identity, and transphobic people absolutely compare the latter to the former, lumping trans people in with them.
Yep.
 

Ivalice

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It’s not rooted in science so I see no reason to believe it’s anything other than a fetish.
 

Skyebaron

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Eh, as long as theyre not hurting anyone. Worse things have happened, like massacres and those people that end their sentences in Desu.
 

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And I’m sure some “transracial” people are transgender too. That doesn’t mean it’s a legitimate thing or that it doesn’t ultimately hurt transgender acceptance.

It doesn’t matter if you think it’s “punching down” or not. A person believing they are a different race or species on the inside is not the same as gender identity, and transphobic people absolutely compare the latter to the former, lumping trans people in with them.
It may incidentally hurt transgender acceptance but that doesn't mean it doesn't have a right to exist and be acknowledged. That is the exact same excuse some gay and lesbian people use to exclude transgender people. The irony is thick.
 

GayAnimeDad

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So this is basically the western version of chuuni syndrome?
For some of them, yeah.



For others though, it’s genuine mental illness.


It may incidentally hurt transgender acceptance but that doesn't mean it doesn't have a right to exist and be acknowledged. That is the exact same excuse some gay and lesbian people use to exclude transgender people. The irony is thick.
If you can’t see why people that say they’re really magic fox dragons or Sephiroth shouldn’t be given the same legitimacy as LGBT people then honestly I can’t help you.
 

BuddyDharma

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I can tell you it does, and there's plenty of people in this thread echoing the same thing. It might be worth reevaluating your preconception that there is no link between someone identifying as another race or someone identifying as another species. Both are extremely harmful to the fight for gender identity as they are co-opted by others as weapons against gender identity.

Additionally, I'm not staff anymore.
I don't think the existence (I use that word loosely) of otherkin make the bigots any more emboldened, or their arguments more effective. No bigot honestly cares about Raven Amberwing's alleged dual existance as fey/human or Rachel Dolezal's... issues. And the people who listen to the bigots don't really care, either. They just... fundamentally do not view transgender identities as valid. I don't subscribe to the idea of "its giving them ammunition to attack us" because they don't need ammunition. In the absence of anything convenient, they just make their own arguments that are just as effective because the substance of the argument doesn't matter.
 
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OmegaX

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If they truly believe they are animals or magical creatures then it must be because of a mental illness. I won't ever for one second believe that being otherkin is a real thing.
 

alexiswrite

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The argument that transracial people are the same or similar to otherkin is mind boggling to me. It betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of why transracial shit is fucked up.

Also, stupid social conservative arguments shouldn't determine how we treat people.
 

samoyed

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I think you should treat otherkin stuff like religion, but instead of having a long tradition it's relatively personal and modern.

It's part roleplay and also part belief, like most religions. There's no clear delineation between the two.
 

Morrigan

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I don't think the existence (I use that word loosely) of otherkin make the bigots any more emboldened, or their arguments more effective. No bigot honestly cares about Raven Amberwing's alleged dual existance as fey/human or Rachel Dolezal's... issues. And the people who listen to the bigots don't really care, either. They just... fundamentally do not view transgender identities as valid. I don't subscribe to the idea of "its giving them ammunition to attack us" because they don't need ammunition. In the absence of anything convenient, they just make their own arguments that are just as effective because the substance of the argument doesn't matter.
Of course the actual bigots don't need reasons to be bigots, but a lot of people are still very ignorant about gender dysphoria and trans issues in general, and without being properly educated or doing their own research, they could come to misguided conclusions about trans people and buy into transphobic rhetoric because of things like otherkin that muddies the waters. Nicole is absolutely correct here. It's difficult enough to educate people on trans issues as it is, we don't need to make it worse for them.
Moreover, it's just never a good idea to feed into delusions in general.
 

Jiminy

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You're gonna lose a TON of people when you don't qualify a sentence in your thread title, like "don't believe they are".

Put this in your OP:

I don't wanna be brutal, and I certainly don't judge individuals, but the rise of such a concept feels very much like it must have arisen from the current impending pandemic of personality disorders and cultural dysmorphia which characterizes our current late capitalist world.
 

BuddyDharma

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Of course the actual bigots don't need reasons to be bigots, but a lot of people are still very ignorant about gender dysphoria and trans issues in general, and without being properly educated or doing their own research, they could come to misguided conclusions about trans people and buy into transphobic rhetoric because of things like otherkin that muddies the waters. Nicole is absolutely correct here. It's difficult enough to educate people on trans issues as it is, we don't need to make it worse for them.
Moreover, it's just never a good idea to feed into delusions in general.
I know plenty of people who are ignorant on trans issues, who can't tell apart gender identity from sexual preference. They don't know a thing about otherkin. Heck, apparently people on this forum don't know about otherkin - and if you post on a gaming forum you're already more online than 90% of the population. An argument equating trans folk to otherkin is as nonsensical as people who used to claim marrying goats was a natural progression for same sex marriage. It only "works" because the guy being convinced has already bought into the core premise - trans identities are invalid. If I got a wizard to erase other kin from the internet's collective memory things wouldn't get any easier for trans people.

It's not about feeding delusions. It's about not telling people - like the poster in this very thread - that their response to trauma or illness is hurting other people.
 

alexiswrite

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Of course the actual bigots don't need reasons to be bigots, but a lot of people are still very ignorant about gender dysphoria and trans issues in general, and without being properly educated or doing their own research, they could come to misguided conclusions about trans people and buy into transphobic rhetoric because of things like otherkin that muddies the waters. Nicole is absolutely correct here. It's difficult enough to educate people on trans issues as it is, we don't need to make it worse for them.
Moreover, it's just never a good idea to feed into delusions in general.
I dunno. Pragmatic arguments when it comes to things like this always leave a bad taste in my mouth. The argument that we should treat innocent third parties in a certain way to potentially protect ourselves, it makes sense pragmatically and I understand why people may feel this way and don't blame them for feeling this way, but I think it's a bad road to go down.
 

Claven

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Well I suppose it is harder to explain than I thought it would be, as I've never really talked to others about this before. In fact I've rewritten this response a few times.
It started when I was really young. I'm talkin...like 5 or 6. Before then, I was a super strange kid. Didn't like being around people, wasn't very receptive to many things most people are receptive to, did very strange things that I would get scolded before because "big kids don't do that" etc. But I became immensely close and familiarized with animals at a young age. Growing up where I did, it was basically a village, and I found comfort in animals and behaviors of animals far more than I ever found comfort in humans. I began to assume those behaviors as my own, as they felt more..I suppose right to me. My communication was heavily centered around "animal" noises. (ie: chitters, mews, etc) Things that certain animals would enjoy or dislike were identical to my own preferences. Etc. And I suppose identifying as a feline specifically was probably influenced by the fact that, up until late teen years, I never had less than 7-8 cats at a time, and I found comfort and understanding in them. I would sleep in the areas they slept in, I'd sort of talk to them and eventually got to a point where I had a super solid understanding of their body language and behaviors, parroted that, and it grew into something quickly that felt more normal than what I was "raised" to do/believe etc. And too this day, animals react to me/interact with me in ways that they wouldn't commonly interact with people. (inb4 delusional; my partner has had evidence of this as time has progressed, and the few people close to me have as well). And more um...private things I suppose, align heavily with felines. I've never really connected too well with...anyone in life. It never feels right, and I've struggled heavily to feel normal in my own body. I still speak dominantly in feline like noises, I still do very animal-like things, and even my body has adapted to little things here and there that I deal with.

I've seen a psychiatrist and therapist, and they believe it has a part of me experiencing trauma at the hands of people for practically all of my life. At the end of the day, my identity feels right because it's what I've known to feel the most natural, and I probably resonated with cats in particular due to my continued subjection to them through life. It certainly effects things like relationships and normal people things, but I also don't feel too much issue with that. The people most important in my life have accepted it, so that's what matters. My bf has even gotten so comfortable with it that he treats me as what I identify as.

I have NO IDEA if any of that was helpful, like I said; the only people who really have ever heard about this in depth are my past psychiatrists and my partner of 3 years. Outside of them, I have a cousin who I've only touched on it with, and that's it. I hope it was helpful at least. Sorry for the long read.
Interesting post, thank you for sharing that.
I was unaware something like otherkin existed until this thread, now I understand more.
 

thewienke

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This is all weird.

But you do you otherkin. Some people can't make it through the day without shooting up heroin so by comparison if believing that you're actually a dragon or whatever is how you want to live your life, that's cool.
 

Huw_Dawson

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There's some really interesting meditation techniques involving modern shamanism and wicca-esque animalism. Identifying yourself with an animal concept you can use as positive reinforcement of what you want to improve on, or to make the meditation feel more spiritual.

Often these are visualisation techniques, and once you get good at it you snap back out and your head is still in that animal frame of mind for a few minutes. It is a lot of fun to explore in meditation and you can learn a lot about how your brain works.

It does seem to be something to do with a need for spirituality and identity, often amongst vulnerable people, but it is worrying that it's often a mask for dysmorphia, trauma or psychosis. Society needs better mental care in general.

That said, being mentally different is fine as long as you can still get by in society. As an Aspie I'll never go after people who are doing their best to make their own unique mental state work.
 

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I'm torn. On one hand, I would argue that to be "otherkin" would be harmful to transgender people and in line with the Rachel Dolezals and transagists of the world. On the other, where do we draw the line? A cisgender person can't really fully conceptualize the existential angst of being transgender, in the same way that a binary trans person wouldn't be able to fully conceptualize the angst of someone who's genderfluid, or nonbinary, or agender, or third gender. An argument for invalidity because of non-understanding seems incredibly exclusionary to me.

I mean, it's not like we've cracked the code and can effectively point out that a certain set of neurons firing in a specific way is indicative of real pain and suffering. All I can do, I think, is take people at their word and respect it, even if bad faith actors slip through the cracks.
 

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