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I just witnessed a hound maul a beaver to death. Owner did nothing

boris_feinbrand

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Edit: Added some context to my poorly worded OP

Well I bungled the OP pretty bad. Serves me right for writing an OP on my phone while in municipial waiting rooms.
Just to clear a few things up. The owner didn't leash his dog, when he was required to. It was a spot that is usually filled with families and dogs.
I couldn't reach the dog owner as the next access ramp down to the river was some 800m away, and despite my shouting to get his dog under control he didn't do much except occasionally call his name. Only when I pulled out my phone did he start to act by stepping down into the riverbed and trying to get his dog back on the leash.

I reported the owner on the advice of a Veterinarian and nothing will happen. The police recorded the misdemeanor (no leash and muzzle) but at worst the guy will have to pay a fine. If they find him at all. (they won't. police is understaffed as is, and this is just not a priority)

I leaned too heavy on the beaver in my original OP, because it was a visceral (if slightly clumsy) spectacle. I should've focused on the irresponsible owner and how a simple flex leash would have been enough to prevent all this. Especially in a city where anti dog paranoia is running rampant to begin with. People like that aren't helping anyone.

I personally hope that the guy got scared enough to take his responsibilty for his hound seriously. If nothing else, that would be a good end to this story.
At least the crows feasting on the carcass just a few minutes later are sure to get one epic dinner today.

Original OP below in quotes:

So yeah, I was on my way to do some administrative chores and decided to walk despite the rain. I came to an overpass that spans over a small river.
This river is very popular to walk along, and goes from the centre all the way out into the western forests.
When I crossed the overpass I heard incessant barking and intermittent whistles. I looked down and thought that a dog might have gotten into the U-bahn tracks.
What I saw was a young mixed breed hound barking at a beaver in the water. His owner was standing across the river haplessly trying to get his dog to obey. Using whistles, shouting and calling him.
Well his dog had no interest in listening and started to maul the beaver. It took a whole 7 minutes of biting thrashing around and dragging the twitching critter up and down the river.
I started to film the ordeal and tried to get a good shot of the owner. Once he realised that I was filming, he climbed down to the river bed and started frantically calling the dog.
The mutt didn't let up and only started listening to his owner once the poor critter stopped twitching.

He took the dog on the leash and hurried away. I couldn't follow, as the next way down was too far ahead and I had to take a huge detour to get there.
In any case. I closed the video app and bam... A 7 minute video of noise and bright flashes. This fucking POS phone just destroyed the video. I think having the Google maps overlay might have interfered, or the constant rain drops on the screen. Who knows. The fact of the matter is that this POS got away.
I already went to the police to give a description of the dog and it's owner as the dog wasn't leashed and didn't wear a muzzle. Both of which are required there.
Also the owner obviously is unfit to control his dog.

What a start to the day... Also would appreciate some recommendations for phones that don't spazz out when you need it to record a bloody video. (no pun intended)
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Jaaake

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"His owner was standing across the river haplessly trying to get his dog to obey. Using whistles, shouting and calling him."

Well it sounds like he was trying something at least.
 
Buttzerker

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I mean...it sucks for the beaver, but you don't really wanna get between a hound and its prey. It's a good way to get the shit bitten out of you, even with a well-trained dog. I can't really fault the owner beyond their dog getting loose in the first place, just sounds like an unfortunate situation.
 
rude

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You went to the police over a fucking beaver and an unleashed dog doing what dogs do....

Mind your business.
 
MrOblong

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Not to invalidate your indignation, but seven minutes of observation is a long time. You might have shouted at the owner to do something, rather than just patiently recording the horror (as it was, he noticed you at some point by chance).

"What would silent voyeur Superman do?"
 
Hjod

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Nature is cruel, I mean it can be dangerous to try to get between the dog and the beaver, even if it's your own dog.

I mean, try stopping your cat from eating a mouse, it's just nature. Poor beaver, rip but yeah.

Feels like you didn't need to go to the cops, what are they going to do, did something illegal even happen?
 
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Buttzerker said:
I mean...it sucks for the beaver, but you don't really wanna get between a hound and its prey. It's a good way to get the shit bitten out of you, even with a well-trained dog. I can't really fault the owner beyond their dog getting loose in the first place, just sounds like an unfortunate situation.
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Fuck that noise. This isn't the countryside. Tons of families stroll along this river. Luckily it was raining. A dog that untrained is a danger, and so is the owner. I don't even blame the dog.

I went back to find the crows already feasting.



Poor little bugger
 
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boris_feinbrand

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Hjod said:
Nature is cruel, I mean it can be dangerous to try to get between the dog and the beaver, even if it's your own dog.

I mean, try stopping your cat from eating a mouse, it's just nature. Poor beaver, rip but yeah.

Feels like you didn't need to go to the cops, what are they going to do, did something illegal even happen?
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Yeah? A dog without leash and muzzle isn't allowed. At least this time it was only a beaver.
 
Nepenthe

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Hounds are specifically hunting dogs. They're bred to go after other animals and- in the case of a confrontation- actually win the fight.

If it was truly a hound cross it was doing its job.

I mean, go to the police for the lack of restraints on the dog if that's illegal and you really feel some type of way about nature being nature, but people need to remember- just like cats- that dogs have a predisposition to predate other animals too.
 
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I think you'd have a better case if the dog attacked another domesticated animal, or worse, a child.
 

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Nature gonna nature I guess. It's hard to look at I'm sure, but it's in the dogs nature.
 
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Nepenthe said:
Hounds are specifically hunting dogs. They're bred to go after other animals and- in the case of a confrontation- actually win the fight.

If it was truly a hound cross it was doing its job.

I mean, go to the police for the lack of restraints on the dog if that's illegal and you really feel some type of way about nature being nature, but people need to remember- just like cats- that dogs have a predisposition to predate other animals too.
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Is anyone even reading? Fuck me sideways. This is usually a populated spot where leash and muzzle are mandatory.

What's with that condescending bullshit nature gonna nature... No shit Sherlock. That's not the point. Owners like him are the reason we get stupid dog breed laws in the first place.
Bloody wanker bought a hound in the city and then doesn't bother to train or care for it.
 
Seesaw15

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Are beavers on the endangered species list or something? Sucks for the beaver but that’s kind of what dogs do when they get next to prey. The loss of any life is sad but it’s not like the dog mauled a small child,someone else’s pet or an animal in a zoo.

Tbh of the three you sound like a bigger asshole taking a 7 minute video and calling the police on the dude.
 
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I once saw a dog maul a puppy that had escaped it's owners hand while the owner was showing it around to others, the poor thing ran around bleeding everywhere until it finally collapsed a few seconds later, the owner of the puppy then took an aluminium hockey bat out of her trunk to bash the dogs head in while the owner of said dog just stood around in shock at what was transpiring (as did everyone else).

Dogs are cruel and so are people.
 
tommy7154

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Sounds like the dog should have had a muzzle and leash. You should have started with that info. The first half of your post sounds like you're overly mad because a dog killed a beaver.
 

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OP you didn't get your self righteousness bolstered by Era and now you're doubling down rather than reconsidering your reaction... You need to chill.
 
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Seesaw15 said:
Are beavers on the endangered species list or something? Sucks for the beaver but that’s kind of what dogs do when they get next to prey. The loss of any life is sad but it’s not like the dog mauled a small child,someone else’s pet or an animal in a zoo.

Tbh of the three you sound like a bigger asshole taking a 7 minute video and calling the police on the dude.
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I called a vet first. Friend of mine and asked her what to do. She explicitly told me to get the police involved as she is sick and tired of these irresponsible assholes making other owners look bad and endangering dogs and people alike.

Btw, this is in Vienna. Rainy freezing Vienna.
 
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boris_feinbrand said:
Is anyone even reading? Fuck me sideways. This is usually a populated spot where leash and muzzle are mandatory.

What's with that condescending bullshit nature gonna nature... No shit Sherlock. That's not the point. Owners like him are the reason we get stupid dog breed laws in the first place.
Bloody wanker bought a hound in the city and then doesn't bother to train or care for it.
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Well, I'll say screw all dog owners who unleash their dogs. I see it all the time where I live in LA. It makes me feel uncomfortable to walk the streets at times.

I think the best course of action would be to talk to the dog owner about leashing their animals when you see this situation crop up again. If they're shitty about it, then start recording and potentially report them to the police. As it stands now, I doubt you'll get much in pursuing the owner in this recent incident.
 
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Our Bichons killed a bunny rabbit two weekends ago in the park while off lead. I didn't know they were doing it honestly.... They ran off into the wooded part in earlham as they always do but this time the smallest one came out covered in blood with a rabbit in her mouth.

So errr are my dogs a danger to society too? Should I have been reported to the police? I honestly didn't think anything of it. My partner was horrified but I just thought it was dogs being dogs, I was mostly just surprised my very small fluffy white things had it in em to be honest!
 
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boris_feinbrand said:
I called a vet first. Friend of mine and asked her what to do. She explicitly told me to get the police involved as she is sick and tired of these irresponsible assholes making other owners look bad and endangering dogs and people alike.

Btw, this is in Vienna. Rainy freezing Vienna.
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OP, I'm with you on this one. Yeah, "a dog gonna dog" or whatever other dismissal bs people are posting here, but that owner had no business keeping the dog off-leash, and should be held accountable to that
 
livelifelove123

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Oh, you're one of "those people". Same type of person to call CPS on a mother disciplining her obnoxious screaming 7-year-old at Walmart.
 
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boris_feinbrand said:
Is anyone even reading? Fuck me sideways. This is usually a populated spot where leash and muzzle are mandatory.

What's with that condescending bullshit nature gonna nature... No shit Sherlock. That's not the point. Owners like him are the reason we get stupid dog breed laws in the first place.
Bloody wanker bought a hound in the city and then doesn't bother to train or care for it.
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The dog didn't go after a human or another domestic animal. It went after a beaver on a riverfront in the woods. The fact that people walk down there an lot is irrelevant to the conditions the dog acted in.

If breed laws were to be put in place for a complete non-story like this it would- as usual- be due to unfounded fears and confident ignorance on people not knowing how dogs function, and not any fault on part of the dog or its owner.

If your concern is actually about leash laws beyond a way to punish this man, the story in the OP is framed extremely terribly. It's mainly about the dog v beaver fight and how you failed to get a video in the entire seven minutes it was going on. Probably why people in here don't care; the emphasis is misplaced, and now you're going after folks for remarking on the title and primary narrative of the story.

Also you have no idea of the dog's condition to be making a judgement that the owner is neglecting it.
 
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Oh, the OP made it seem like you just recorded him for 7 mins
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No, I recorded for a minute or two, then tried to find a way down, only to realise that I wouldn't reach the owner until he would've slipped away.
The video btw was scrambled to hell, so don't worry, the asshole will probably get away with being an awful dog owner.

Again, to all dog lovers: I don't blame the dog. It's what it does, it's what it was bred to do.
I take issue with an old geezer that buys a hound in a crowded city and then doesn't follow simple rules to make sure he can at least try to tame it's temper.

I called a vet first because I didn't want to get the dog in trouble and only after she told me explicitly that at worst they'd take the dog away and look for a better owner did I go to the police.
 
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i wouldn't want a dog like that with an owner like that wandering around

wish the video worked
 
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Nepenthe said:
The dog didn't go after a human or another domestic animal. It went after a beaver on a riverfront in the woods. The fact that people walk down there an lot is irrelevant to the conditions the dog acted in.

If breed laws were to be put in place for a complete non-story like this it would- as usual- be due to unfounded fears and confident ignorance on people not knowing how dogs function, and not any fault on part of the dog or its owner.

If your concern is actually about leash laws beyond a way to punish this man, the story in the OP is framed extremely terribly. It's mainly about the dog v beaver fight and how you failed to get a video in the entire seven minutes it was going on. Probably why people in here don't care; the emphasis is misplaced, and now you're going after folks for remarking on the title and primary narrative of the story.

Also you have no idea of the dog's condition to be making a judgement that the owner is neglecting it.
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I agree that my account was poorly structured. But to just categorically dismiss a valid concern about this guys obvious inability to control his dog, a dog that was bred to hunt and has to make do with walks in the city, is just asinine.
I get the urge to defend dogs. Believe me I do. Here in Vienna we have some of the most idiotic breed laws in existence. Complete anti science populistic bullshit. But it's owners like him that give those laws the popular support. It's guys like that that endanger people, animals and other owners. That's why I called my friend. To get a veterinarians and dog owners opinion on what to do.

Hell even the police told me that at most they'd fine the guy and get the dog a better owner. And I agree that nothing else should happen. Like other posters have said. It was just a beaver. And had this happened in the countryside I wouldn't have done anything other than to marvel at the dogs ineptitude to kill the critter. Boy he was clumsy.
 
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rude said:
You went to the police over a fucking beaver and an unleashed dog doing what dogs do....

Mind your business.
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Uh, no. A dog that doesnt listen to its owner ánd has shown to be capable of killing creatures is a potential danger. This time it's a beaver, next time it's a child. Its clearly a dog that should no longer be allowed outside without a leash and muzzle.

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Oh, you're one of "those people". Same type of person to call CPS on a mother disciplining her obnoxious screaming 7-year-old at Walmart.
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If that child murdered some animal you bet i would call CPS.
 
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What state are you in, OP?
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Vienna, Austria.
Hektor said:
I once saw a dog maul a puppy that had escaped it's owners hand while the owner was showing it around to others, the poor thing ran around bleeding everywhere until it finally collapsed a few seconds later, the owner of the puppy then took an aluminium hockey bat out of her trunk to bash the dogs head in while the owner of said dog just stood around in shock at what was transpiring (as did everyone else).

Dogs are cruel and so are people.
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Yiiiikes.
 
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Listen, I get it, it's terrible to witness that, it's cruel and stomach turning. But going by your own words, the owner wasn't enjoying the show, he actively was trying to stop his dog. Hounds are amazing dogs (hound owner myself) but when they are already engaged with a prey it's pretty much impossible to stop it. They are also mostly , depending on the breed, true, very independent and hard to train. And small wild animals are their prey, whether they're hunting or just having fun. Getting between the rodent and the hound at that point would've been quite the feat for anybody. You are naturally all riled up, wanting to call the police and whatnot, confiscate the dog etc. This sounds like an accident and can happen to any dog owners. The mistake here was unleashing the dog, but the Wien river is not designed as a promenade, full of people like the Donaukanal so I guess the owner wanted to give the dog a lil space to run. I'm positive he'll be more cautious next time about unleashing the doggo wherever.
 
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boris_feinbrand said:
Because his owner... You know, the one responsible for the dog isn't able or willing to do either. I'd rather this dog not living with an irresponsible asshole that could endanger people.
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just because the dog ate a beaver it doesn't mean it will attack human beings, i think is the point people are making when they say
"nature gonna nature". Dogs commonly wreck smaller animals like squirrels and whatever else they can catch. It's unfortunate that you had to see that, but a lot of dogs will have the same issue. Instead of getting upset and angry, just hope the dog owner learned a lesson and will be more responsible in the future.
 
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