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I never believed that phones are "listening to us" but now I do....
- Thread starter LordDraven
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I'm not going to attack you personally and respond by saying what a smug fuck you are but..
You're an example of the type of individual that thinks that just because you know a little bit about a thing (or in some posters case, a lot about something) means you know it ALL. The fact of it is that no matter how smart you think you are there are plenty people smarter than you and Google, Microsoft, Amazon, Facebook have the resources to hire some of the smartest people in the world. Two of those companies have more than 90% of the ad market for the internet and I'm very confident they are spending their billions in revenue on making sure that they can grow that marketshare.
So forgive me if I don't take comfort in smug forum poster Stalker telling me that the algorithm is taking my cousins friend sisters aunt brothers son's search query and using location data blah, blah, blah to send me some fucking ad when I coincidentally JUST fucking had a conversation about the most obscure thing ever (in relation to me). The simple matter is we're walking around with a phones in our pockets that have powerful snapdragon and A4 processors with anywhere from 2 to 12gbs of ram at any and all times. These powerful computers are doing very complex things and listening in our conversations is one of the most basic, which we know they do. The argument is about to what extent.
You don't know what you don't know. Just because I and the posters who are saying it's happening to them can't explain HOW doesn't mean it's not happening. Just because you and the posters who are giving detailed breakdowns of what you THINK is happening is saying something doesn't make it so. That is actually working to the benefit of these companies.
Well now I feel awful, there's so many recordings of me before I turned this off of telling google to call my Mum, my Mum passed away this January :(
Then stop there. This forum thread has been full of tinfoil hattery since the very beginning. You don't get to call those who are painstakingly attempting to restore sanity "smug fucks."
You're an example of the type of individual that will ignore logic and reason to further their own opinions. Confirmation Bias at it's finest.
AGAIN since you obviously missed it or ignored it because it doesn't support your conspiracy.
PEOPLE MONITOR NETWORK TRAFFIC FOR FUN. If anyone was listening in on you it would be public knowledge because its so easy to monitor network traffic and see exactly EXACTLY what is being sent and to who.
It's likely you're going to come back with some snarky "you don't know what you don't know" nonsense to further your conspiracy but you can't prove this one iota and you know what I can prove.
I can log and trace every single data packet from my phone. I can see exactly down to the individual packet payload what is being transmitted and to who. I can prove no one is listening you can't prove your dystopian fantasy.
Edit:
Oh look an article in which someone tracks his networking traffic
https://www.androidauthority.com/is-your-smartphone-spying-on-you-953309/f
It really is wild how people can be presented hard data but still fall back to "but but but it was CREEPY"
No one is arguing that it isn't creepy. Like I don't get why explaining that it's worse than listening is seen as somehow minimizing. (Or "smug", wtf)
You mean when they invent a way to send data without it being visible.
Magic? Yes, When Magic is discovered I'll acknowledge I was wrong .
Yes, but I doubt it'll happen without it being seen immediately through network traffic.
But you set yourself up in a situation in which you never have to admit you're wrong. You're basically saying "I'm not wrong because I don't believe you, but if I'm proven right in the future you're wrong."
Can we run workshops on Era?And I'm the "smug" one.
"This is Wireshark, this is how to use it."
"This is an understanding of how companies use your data"
"You only notice ads that are relevant to you, because most people are adblind"
is... that what you just did?
edit - OrangeNova i actually think that's a great idea, maybe in the Hangouts section
I don't think I needed to add that she turned it on when I gave it to her. Anyone would have understood that.
Yes, and I will support every prize in science going to the engineers who worked out how to transmit data undetectably and/or run 24/7 speech analysis on a phone while maintaining a usable battery life, all on consumer hardware and without full access to the OS, and under the noses of the entire security industry.
I am also willing to admit when I was wrong because my opinion isn't based on coincidence, cognitive bias and a gigantic conspiracy theory.
It's also worth pointing out that taking an unfalsifiable position is usually an indication that a belief is not based on evidence. But hey, just accuse everyone else of being the ones who won't acknowledge that they're wrong in the face of evidence.
To be fair, you are talking nonsesnse about a globabl conspiracy around your phone going above and beyond all known technical capability and listening to you to sell you snorkelling equipment.
So yeah, I'm not sure you can be picky about what everyone should understand.
Wanna know what's fucking scary? A few weeks ago, I was on my HTC Vive playing Rec Room online with my brother who stays in Colorado (I'm in Mississippi). He was using his Oculus Quest. So we're playing online together and talking and the conversation turns to Enter the Dragon, our favorite Bruce Lee film. We start to briefly talk about a character named Bolo, a character who is barely in the film all that much. We continue to play VR for another hour or two.
Fast forward to one day later. I'm browsing the web at work and suddenly, I see one of those ads near the bottom of Yahoo or something, you know...the ones that try to catch your attention with something to make you click on it? The ones that are usually like "Learn how these 3 college students in (insert your state here) made $5,000,000 in 24 hours!". Well this particular ad was about Bolo from Enter the Dragon. It showed a picture of the actor from a scene he graced in Enter the Dragon and the caption said something along the lines of "The actor who played Bolo in Enter the Dragon has not aged well, see what he looks like now!"
I end up calling my brother and telling him about it and he tells me the same exact ad popped up for him too while he was browsing the internet at work. To say I was creeped out at this would be an understatement. Were our VR headsets listening to our conversation the day prior? Were our phones somehow listening to us? There's no WAY that's a coincidence. I'm not buying it.
Fast forward to one day later. I'm browsing the web at work and suddenly, I see one of those ads near the bottom of Yahoo or something, you know...the ones that try to catch your attention with something to make you click on it? The ones that are usually like "Learn how these 3 college students in (insert your state here) made $5,000,000 in 24 hours!". Well this particular ad was about Bolo from Enter the Dragon. It showed a picture of the actor from a scene he graced in Enter the Dragon and the caption said something along the lines of "The actor who played Bolo in Enter the Dragon has not aged well, see what he looks like now!"
I end up calling my brother and telling him about it and he tells me the same exact ad popped up for him too while he was browsing the internet at work. To say I was creeped out at this would be an understatement. Were our VR headsets listening to our conversation the day prior? Were our phones somehow listening to us? There's no WAY that's a coincidence. I'm not buying it.
It's summer. You live near a body of water.
Like, do people also forget how normal advertising works? Sometimes I wonder if people get panic attacks from TV commercials.
"Holy shit, remember how we were just talking about wanting to see the new Avengers movie this weekend? I just saw a trailer for it on TV how did they know!?!?"
I'm not talking nonsense. It's a test I did that day, that's all. That was the result whether you like it or not. I can't explain how it knew that I talked about snorkeling but it did. Me I don't use androidand google apps anymore nor social media so I'm not really concerned.
It didn't know you were talking about snorkeling. It knows that ads for snorkeling might be lucrative to show the person who owns that phone.
The much scarier thing is that they don't need to listen into you. Based on what we know about data brokerage, heres a possible explanation:
- Facebook/Google etc. know that you and Person B are home together most often at times when people they know are married at whole together. Statistically, Person b is probably your husband or wife- They'll have data to solve that. They also probably have public record to confirm this
- Then y'all were in the exact same small space for some period of time, maybe watching TV maybe just meeting in the kitchen. At any rate, it was a period in which you were likely to talk.
- Your wife in the next n-time interval then started googling CBD, something she's never done before. One of your topics, then, was probably CBD (And is anyone else at her work or social group also suddenly googling this? +1!)
- Your wife has a new interest so the person who bought the ads start serving you, the husband or partner, CBD products to keep the topic alive and/or encourage a purchase
This reminds me of people who think they have precognition of events when they have a dream about something and it happens some time later.
Let's be clear. Of course there are apps that listen to you. But they must be granted microphone access, and they typically listen for some trigger word before data is relayed. There is no global conspiracy of IT companies listening in on your private conversations to discover what brand of shoe to sell you online. There are easier, more efficient ways to do that.
Let's be clear. Of course there are apps that listen to you. But they must be granted microphone access, and they typically listen for some trigger word before data is relayed. There is no global conspiracy of IT companies listening in on your private conversations to discover what brand of shoe to sell you online. There are easier, more efficient ways to do that.
I guess all those people who monitor network traffic missed this somehow 😆
Anyway, Facebook's TOS says it uses your mic whenever it wants and so it seems Google does too.
Testing it myself.
This is the second time ive tried to reply. The first time was moments after your post and mid-reply my entire internet went down for the night. And just now when typing out a 3 word reply an ad redirect from Era just tried to install something on my computer.
No, that's exactly my point: People who "monitor network traffic" missed this. Somehow. Conveniently.
It's difficult to tell whether you're serious. Nobody denies the existence of Google Assistant or is in any doubt as to how it works.
the ruinous 5g cancerwaves must be frying the 'phones arent listenting in for ads' sheeple's brains
'but the entire security industry proved' YEAH U KNOW WHOS MOST EXPOSE TO FIVE GEE RADIATION?!?!?!
EXPLOITATIVE VOLATILE EVANGELISTS - NONQUESTIONING UNINTELLIGENT LARPING LOSERS in the SECURITY and ELECTRONICS COMMITTEE AKA EVE-NULLSEC GOONS
Q.E.D
'but the entire security industry proved' YEAH U KNOW WHOS MOST EXPOSE TO FIVE GEE RADIATION?!?!?!
EXPLOITATIVE VOLATILE EVANGELISTS - NONQUESTIONING UNINTELLIGENT LARPING LOSERS in the SECURITY and ELECTRONICS COMMITTEE AKA EVE-NULLSEC GOONS
Q.E.D
I find it hard to believe they're able to detect every little thing we say when I can barely get any voice assistant to recognize what I'm saying without sounding like I'm giving a clearly enunciated presentation with no microphone to a crowded room.
It is really simple. Take a look at the revenue sources for the largest tech companies.
42% of total revenue of the top 5 tech companies comes from advertisement and online retail; 20% of total revenue comes from advertising alone.
These companies are really good as selling us shit. You better believe they have this down to a science. They don't need to listen to your conversations because they have all the data they need, as other posters have discussed.
These few instances where you realize the system is selling you something are the anomalies. Most of the time this process goes by unnoticed.
42% of total revenue of the top 5 tech companies comes from advertisement and online retail; 20% of total revenue comes from advertising alone.
These companies are really good as selling us shit. You better believe they have this down to a science. They don't need to listen to your conversations because they have all the data they need, as other posters have discussed.
These few instances where you realize the system is selling you something are the anomalies. Most of the time this process goes by unnoticed.
Yeah they're listening to you specifically.
Now let's listen to 100 million peoples audio in real time.
Where are all of the voice analyst jobs that they're hiring for
Now let's listen to 100 million peoples audio in real time.
Where are all of the voice analyst jobs that they're hiring for
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Or how to detect it and break it down as it goes through your internet connections?
What's the psychological phenomenon where you remember the hits and forget the misses? This idea of phones listening in on us and giving us ads related to what we're saying is the perfect example of that. Even ad personalization algorithms aside, by chance alone, with how many ads fly through your perception on a daily basis, I'd expect people to witness a highly improbable coincidence on rare occasion.
1. Those 100 million people already carry supercomputers in their pockets which are more than capable of doing sophisticated audio processing.
2. Sending back a list of discovered keywords takes a trivial amount of bandwidth, no human analysis required.
BTW, how long was the government spying on everyone before Snowden blew the whistle?
Thank you bruh.
If it was so fucking easy to discover shit why did it take Snowden to tell us all the shady shit the government is doing and all the companies they're in bed with that allowed them to do it?
Now everyone is a genius because they know shit after the fact.
This is what I mean by not knowing what you don't know.
People are acting as if we're saying they are RECORDING each and everything we're saying when in fact we are saying they are LISTENING to what you're saying. Listening for key words just like "ok Google".
having voice analysis running all the time is a noticable battery drain and people (including me) disable google assistant voice command feature to save some life
also the US government was spying and keeping all the info to itself, a harder concept to prove vs 'i talk about cats and see a petco ad sometimes', very easy to prove and yet the most we ever get are people talking about that one time
it'd be a constant, obvious thing to everyone and wouldn't magically not work when empirically tested
maybe they only turn it on on people who are metadata profiled to be conspiracy theorists, because no one will listen to their wild claims?
So far nothing. I openly discussed buying tampons for several minutes with my phone unlocked, then again with the Amazon app open, and then asked OK Google where I can buy tampons. Nada. Surprising, because the last time I merely stepped foot in a Journey's for two minutes every webpage I went to for a week was running an ad for sneakers and / or a Journey's.
Nope, but now that you typed "Black Helicopters" there will be!
Edit: Oh shit, so did I! I'm fucked
Come on now. Everyone knows this. It's self-evident. You're either being disingenuous or you have missed the point entirely.
It sucks when people don't read the fucking thread. This has all been answered.
Snowden has nothing to do with what we're discussing by the way
Again, it's really difficult to tell whether the "phone as mic" proponents are being serious or have simply gone full tinfoil hat. Yes, it's easy to monitor network communications.
And to summarise: if somebody decided to use voice to text as a way to drive advertising, that would be doing it the hard way. They already know far more about you than even you know. Machine learning is very powerful, and far more frightening in so many ways than the idea that we could make it all okay by simply putting an on-off switch on our telephone microphone.
A lot of my friends have reported getting "hot singles in your area" emails while I'm hanging out with them
This topic always drives even normally level headed people insane.
You're not that unique as a person, ad networks are incredibly sophisticated, it would be the White Hat Hacker find of the decade if it was happening, recency bias and ad blindness are a thing, the amount of qualitative data needed to be parsed would be staggering. The list goes on.
TL;DR it ain't happening.
You're not that unique as a person, ad networks are incredibly sophisticated, it would be the White Hat Hacker find of the decade if it was happening, recency bias and ad blindness are a thing, the amount of qualitative data needed to be parsed would be staggering. The list goes on.
TL;DR it ain't happening.