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I think Battletoads (2019) looks pretty bad compared to it's competition.
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Sure, but is this the game they're clamoring for?
This just seems like a...
...situation.
Different people hold Rare titles and their perceived value differently. Did those same people really jones for a Killer Instinct sequel made by a bad developer?
No. But it worked. It was successful. It brought back relevance in Rare's impressive ass catalogue. Will Battletoads do the same?
Probably not. But it's better to throw a dud out than leave Rare's catalogue rotting in the aether. Banjo, Battletoads and KI are now apparently their Marquee titles to brand about and that's the way it is I guess
Battletoads needs to work on being more legible. There's too much going on and it's hard to follow the action, which is crazy because the gameplay looks hella slow at the same time.
Mix the sound cues better. Make the characters stand out more against the backgrounds. Work on the hitstop and key frames. Try to find the satisfying percussive combo rhythm of the NES and SNES games.
Mix the sound cues better. Make the characters stand out more against the backgrounds. Work on the hitstop and key frames. Try to find the satisfying percussive combo rhythm of the NES and SNES games.
I guess I just didn't realize that Battletoads was held in the same regard as Banjo and Killer Instinct. Always seemed very niche to me.
At the end of the day, it's going to live or die by it's gameplay but oof, yeah, that initial gut reaction when I first saw it of, "god this art style is really unappealing to me" is always there whenever I see anything new. I hope the game is great but yeah, it's not even that it doesn't hold up to the styles nailed in those other games; it's just really kind offputting all on it's own.
See, I'd call BS on this, because the two recent prior appearances you named (KI, Shovel Knight) did more to cite the Toads' older appearances and art style just fine.
If KI's Rash looked like he came out of a typical Nickelodeon cartoon, like the style pervasive in this upcoming title, I don't think he would've been received nearly as well.
It won't even live or die by its gameplay is the gameplay doesn't match up with peoples' expectations of what a Battletoads game should be. Like, did Nuts & Bolts live and die by its gameplay? No, it died because it wasn't what people wanted from a Banjo game, irrespective of whether it was actually fun or interesting.
Combat was never the primary or sole focus of Battletoads--especially not the NES game, which is the only one people really think about--so the depth or even the basic competency of the combat will only matter so much if there's nothing else going on.
This is the first time I've looked at RCG and I am super impressed by the pixel animation. LizardCube's Dragon's Trap remake was my favorite game of 2017, and I've been vaguely hoping they arrange Yuzo Koshiro music for small chamber ensembles since I've heard about SoR4, but it's not really been on my radar otherwise. "It's in that genre where you walk forward and press buttons real fast, right? Whatever."
RCG looks so fluid that I might care about the beat-em-up genre for the first time in my life.
RCG looks so fluid that I might care about the beat-em-up genre for the first time in my life.
I actually like a lot of the gameplay/movement mechanics in the Battletoads gameplay (Whenever someone stumbles into them, anyway). I think the bigger issue are a combination of Pimple's freaking gigantic model that regularly obstructs entire character models whenever he's doing literally anything in the foreground, and the incredibly soft blob shadows which are functionally useless whenever there's any sort of background details like soft shadows or puddles.
C'mon, you guys. Give me a Shadow Opacity slider so I can make my shadow look like the oil slick under Rash, and/or remove these puddles and oil slicks so I can actually see my character's shadow in combat and better judge my character's position on screen.
C'mon, you guys. Give me a Shadow Opacity slider so I can make my shadow look like the oil slick under Rash, and/or remove these puddles and oil slicks so I can actually see my character's shadow in combat and better judge my character's position on screen.
Yeahb I pretty much agree on all fronts. RCG looks to be a blast on all fronts, and I feel like SoR4's emphasis on juggles and combos is probably going ro make for an interesting game. Battletoads just looks a bit lacking compared to them.
All three have great looking visuals, though.
All three have great looking visuals, though.
Agreed. I think visually it looks fairly cool like a 90s cartoon. I'd place it above if they improved the speed.
I have something else to say: don't quote me if you're only going to reply with passive-aggressive horseshit. Come with a point or fuck off.
Will judge the games when they actually come out. Most likely will try all 3. Beat-em-ups are short anyways.
Calling out a hacky, meaningless way to describe art is being a clown now?
How and which originals? Battletoads was partly a platformer, with a gimmick approach to level design, with ever changing stages, in addition to the beat'em up sections. The new one is quite a different take on the franchise at least from the original.
At least it doesn't seem like you can hit your buddy in Battletoads. You can in SoR4, so they have to extra careful with visibility.
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I can't swing a dead cat without hitting all these high school delinquent girl beatemups! There's just too many!
KI xbox one was amazing, but you could tell it was legit as fuck as soon as they showed gameplay footage of it. The game was amazing on an audiovisual level, not to mention how well it played. I don't think battletoads is to the same standard, which is sad because that was a launch game.
For real. lol
I honestly can't understand how one could look at the videos posted in the OP and think this.
Ah yeah I just mean graphically. It looks like a perfect realisation of the original games' style, which was a pixel based take on 'wacky' cartoons.
SOR4 looks more like a modern Comix Zone in the same way.
it looks fine. i mean... it's battletoads. a handful of goofy ass, good but not amazing games
not particularly a fan of that 2010s abstract look that's bog standard with kids shows now but it's obviously meant to bring in a younger crowd at the forefront. not like there's throngs of 35 year olds unironically pining for new battletoads, not outside our bubble anyway
not particularly a fan of that 2010s abstract look that's bog standard with kids shows now but it's obviously meant to bring in a younger crowd at the forefront. not like there's throngs of 35 year olds unironically pining for new battletoads, not outside our bubble anyway
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Reminds me of most modern cartoons like Dexter, SpongeBob, Powerpuff Girls, etc. I am a fan of classic stuff like Cuphead, old Hanna Barbara cartoons. This art style/animation just looks cheap to me.
OP is right but I think out of those 3 Battletoads will get the most iterations/be fixed to fans likings essentially. It has an actual first party publisher's weight behind it.
It has the advantage of Gamepass, I wouldn't buy it day 1 but I'll play it there.
This is the damn truth though. In fact it really mirrors the same kind of shit hot takes in TV cartoon discussion. People talking about CalArts because its easy to trick people into thinking you know something if you say "flash is bad."
Clearly a rip off. Are the devs even aware!?Why does river city girls remind me of River City Ransom, gameplay also looks exactly a like.
Spongebob's first two seasons had more expressive animation than decades of recycled hanna barbara cheapskate garbage
No inspiration maybe, this was a NES game. But the name and gameplay are alike.
I can't tell if you're joking are not, but if you're not RCG is a spin-off of the River City franchise.
He's not really lying. Battletoads NES was barely a beat'em up after the first level. It becomes something of an action platformer.
That said, the first level is a very satisfying beat'em up in a way this new one doesn't seem to be.
No, you said it looked like "a cheap flash game". You're being called out because nobody likes uninformed, reductive takes on art.
This. Forget about beat em ups released in 2019, this looks like it cant even compete with nes gameplay.
While it does not look great, it does play well and is animated solidly. Plenty of combat options, including regular combo's, specials, grabs etc and they all flow together well. Also 3 player is good fun and a little hectic in places. In reality, its a very old-school beat em up. Nothing amazingly new but a solid brawler anyway,
In this thread I found out about River City Girls and I love how it looks like, so I'll hijack it for a quick question:
Does it have at least 2 people online coop?
Does it have at least 2 people online coop?
