YIKES
Go watch some Battletoads SNES footage folks, it looks nothing like...whatever this new game is.
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I think Battletoads (2019) looks pretty bad compared to it's competition.
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YIKES
Go watch some Battletoads SNES footage folks, it looks nothing like...whatever this new game is.
Yeah this is my main issue with it, even though everything is slow it's really hard to keep track of what is going on. It's like they tried to do a Earthworm Jim mixed with Cuphead style and it is just too much
wow, streets of rage looks beautiful...
battletoads looks good, too. I agree that they do move really slow.
Rivercity looks cute I guess. Streets of rage is my top pick out of these three, easily.
battletoads looks good, too. I agree that they do move really slow.
Rivercity looks cute I guess. Streets of rage is my top pick out of these three, easily.
River City Girls is the only one I'd spend actual money on.
Something about Battletoads looks off
Something about Battletoads looks off
I got to play Battletoads at e3 and I can say it does feel very slow, but I think the demo is set to beginner mode which is why there are so few enemies on screen. The gameplay to me felt like it's begging to have a ton of characters on screen and it just being chaos. I can't remember what attack I used but there is some form of dash that started a small combo and I started dashing around killing everyone.
I think Microsoft has done an awful job at presenting this game. The demo looks like a barebones prototype almost, focusing entirely on combat, which isn't going to do you any favors if the only footage if put out there is game journalists trying it out for the first time. And the only trailer they put out is just super obnoxious.
So far when it comes to a classic IP or anything from back catalog they seem to always drop the ball. Voo-doo vince, crackdown, now battletoads. Like can we look at these the same way Nintendo and Sony look at theirs please?
How hard was it to look at classic battletoads look at all the Indie beat'em ups and some of the remakes of classic games from the same era like Wonder Boy, that were remade, and then look at this and say, hey the art looks nice?
They couldn't go with something like Streets of rage 4, or jesus more like the indie beat'em ups that have pixel art? I care more about how it plays, then if the colors pop out of the screen to give me a seizure.
Streets of rage 4 looks great, but after seeing the combat, looks like it plays the way it should based on previous entries. Even better that you can juggle combo's and combine some things.
BATTLETOADS is cut from the same cloth as Double dragon, streets of rage, final fight. Double dragon had a sequel game that came out couple years ago that was god awful. Streets of rage 4 so far looks to change that.
Wonder Boy in Monster world seriously shows how you can do a faithful adaption with great art, without sacrificing gameplay.
There are so many good indie beat'em ups out there, like how do you fuck up battletoads?
Everything seems wrong with the way combat plays out frame wise, even how combo's are done. I feel original battletoads was a mix of double dragon meets Turtles in time.
Yeah the game looks horrible on all counts.
It's missing the point of Battletoads on so many levels and feels so cheap. So far all we've seen are totally flat rectangle-shaped non-interactive fight arenas, one after the next, rinse and repeat, with enemies cheaply being teleported in.
Previous Battletoads games had interesting and varied level formations, designs, and set pieces. Enemies coming out by breaking through walls, or rising pieces of ground. You'd have slopes, things to hang on from, pits, morphing level geometry, collapsing bridges, items to grab, fences to climb on, various hazards to avoid. And I could go on and on.
Here? Nah man just plain arenas with enemies that teleport in and so much mess going on at the same time that you can't even make out what's going on. There are so many sound effects playing at the same time that you can't even hear the music.
I have zero interest whatsoever.
It's missing the point of Battletoads on so many levels and feels so cheap. So far all we've seen are totally flat rectangle-shaped non-interactive fight arenas, one after the next, rinse and repeat, with enemies cheaply being teleported in.
Previous Battletoads games had interesting and varied level formations, designs, and set pieces. Enemies coming out by breaking through walls, or rising pieces of ground. You'd have slopes, things to hang on from, pits, morphing level geometry, collapsing bridges, items to grab, fences to climb on, various hazards to avoid. And I could go on and on.
Here? Nah man just plain arenas with enemies that teleport in and so much mess going on at the same time that you can't even make out what's going on. There are so many sound effects playing at the same time that you can't even hear the music.
I have zero interest whatsoever.
Battletoads' art style is absolutely horrific and none of the gameplay footage looks remotely fun.
River City Girls looks like it'll be part of a different genre entirely with all of that RPG/progression junk.
SoR4 has potential to be good.
Buy The Ninja Warriors Once Again
River City Girls looks like it'll be part of a different genre entirely with all of that RPG/progression junk.
SoR4 has potential to be good.
Buy The Ninja Warriors Once Again
Yeah, not sure if the sounds are hits landing or grunts ...all comes out as a garbled mess.
I haven't been following the Battletoads reboot at all since it was announced because I didn't play the original as a kid and I have no nostalgia for it, so holy shit was I not prepared for that Youtube like bar ratio when I clicked on the video. People are absolutely murdering this game in the comments section. I had no idea it was being received so negatively.
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To be honest the combat in Battletoads seems more complex than SOR4's. Looks like you have even further juggle opportunities, you can dash, you can evade, you have a secondary attack, you have charged attacks, you have a launcher and even got a DMC4-inspired move where you can pull enemies towards you with your tongue (or push yourself towards them). SOR4 is more like a classic beat 'em up, and BT seems more modeled after all the Devil May Cry-ish 2D games that have been released in the last 10~ years.
The thing is with three players on screen the action is totally chaotic, especially with the art style they've gone with. I would stop showcasing the three player action, or even better just make it 2P. It doesn't help that in this video the players are literally mashing buttons the entire time even when they don't have enemies in front of them, which probably makes the game look like even more of a mess. The video in the OP is genuinely bad, but it's not because of the game itself, at least not entirely. The players are being almost totally mindless.
I'm not convinced BT is actually awful, the combat system seems to have some thought behind it. The one thing that is definitely a terrible choice is that you can't attack enemies when they're down, which was CLASSIC Battletoads. Who doesn't remember running and punting enemies off-screen, or hammering them down in the ground in the old games? Even worse, in the new BT they spend a heck of a lot of time laying on the ground, being invincible, while you stand around basically not being able to do a damn thing, waiting for them to stand up. This shit's just poor. If you don't want to implement down attacks in the game that's fine, but make them stand up immediately then. This is one of the bigger problems with the game, that it doesn't resemble Battletoads mechanically or visually.
Unlike most, I don't have a single problem with the art style, but they really need to be more judicious in how they show the game next. If they actually have some platforming in the game, they should definitely show that, and they should try to make the combat a little more Battletoads-like by putting down attacks in the game, at least.
Double Dragon 4 is terrible (if that's that's game you were referring to), but Double Dragon Neon is great.
Nah Neon is great. Plays well, feels punchy, has an awesome soundtrack and some neat things of its own, like the gleam mechanic and being able to customize your character with different abilities.
I played it and unfortunately own it on psn ON ps3. It was shit, punching felt floaty, and seeing same guys over and over was really a bummer.
I can't help the fact that it evokes that feeling. It visually reminds me of a flash game. Going after the reason isn't any better and isn't going to change my mind. It is possible to simply disagree without going all Highlander "there can be only one!" opinion.
Being combative and trying to start an argument because you don't like how someone phrased something is, yes. You can discuss things calmly, which unfortunately seems to be a skill lost on you as well. He feels I'm not giving it a fair shake, and that's fine, but being combative and argumentative is unnecessary. An actual discourse could have been had.
To both of you, I'm not here to argue with anybody. This was never something worth arguing about and it's baffling to me that you think it is. I cut it with OP because it was breaking down fast. Trying to restart it to keep things going isn't the best route to go and it's honestly childish. I'm going to leave it here with you two as well. Enjoy the rest of your day.
I'm not into the art style, it's not for me. The gameplay looks good though.
Like I said, this Battletoads should aim for a speed similar to the arcade game. Hopefully they're taking criticism from these showings to make the game better
Neon is the best DD game in my opinion. Mango Tango!
As a huge Battletoads fan, I am worried about this game, specifically its art style. I wish they went for something a bit grittier. Streets of Rage 4 has colors that really "pop" but it still feels like SoR to me (although some definitely disagree with that sentiment based off some of the responses I've seen...) This game looks wonky from top to bottom. I will likely still try it out as a big fan, but out of the three games in the OP, it's the one I'm looking forward to the least, and I've never even played a River City game before.
I am looking at this gameplay and it seems pretty fast here. From 4 min
I'm no fan from any of the three, but I actually think Battletoads looks the best among them. Its a very interesting and striking cartoonish look. Streets of Rage looks good as well, though a bit more generic. River City Girls doesn't look that great, its the same pixel art aesthetic that has been done to death already.
This looks much better when played by a player with a little of bit of skill.
The game does still look a tad slow though, but I don't it warrants anything close to the negativity it seems to be courting.
I don't know, Battletoads seems to be capturing that Saturday morning cartoon feel.
Now if only they'd raise the fucking walking speed, jesus christ.
Now if only they'd raise the fucking walking speed, jesus christ.
Personally, I'll be happy if even one of these three games evokes the feelings of old school beat 'em ups and I have a lot of fun with it. Streets of Rage 4 and River City Girls both look promising so far, but if I only had one horse to back in the race, I think it will be Streets of Rage...I have very little faith in Battletoads at the moment, which is a shame, since it was one of the games I've eagerly been anticipating for a long time.
All three of them look pretty good to me. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I'm sure they can tweak the walking speed to make it less slow in Battletoads, but I really liked the cartoony graphics and all the various "morphing" they did.
SOR4 had a baller soundtrack and cool fighting, but the visual style isn't my preference compared to the other two. Still looks pretty cool, but I'd rank it third.
From those three videos, RCG is the one that I'm most interested in. It looks funny, fast, I enjoy the pixel art style, and I like the voice acting (from what I could hear behind the people playing the game). I also love the random Kunio pop ups, but I'm also someone who had a Kunio avatar back 15+ years ago lol.
I'm sure they can tweak the walking speed to make it less slow in Battletoads, but I really liked the cartoony graphics and all the various "morphing" they did.
SOR4 had a baller soundtrack and cool fighting, but the visual style isn't my preference compared to the other two. Still looks pretty cool, but I'd rank it third.
From those three videos, RCG is the one that I'm most interested in. It looks funny, fast, I enjoy the pixel art style, and I like the voice acting (from what I could hear behind the people playing the game). I also love the random Kunio pop ups, but I'm also someone who had a Kunio avatar back 15+ years ago lol.
To be fair, almost everyone in almost every beat em up walks forward out of their normal idle stance. The only ones that stick out to me, from memory, are Haggar and maybe some NES-era games like the Kunio series where the animations are very small anyway. It's practically a staple of the genre.
To be fair on this comment, though, it does have a very flat, uninteresting look to a lot of it. The backgrounds are very static with maybe one or two details in some small places, and then you see things like steam rising from the floor vents and having no detail whatsoever. Anything that does animate has that bouncy feel that's adhering to the "rules" of the Disney animation principles, but not the spirit of them (which is a common trend to see, even the devs for BT mention them), so it comes off as stilted in some ways. I'm absolutely not a fan.
SOR4 looks interesting, though I think that everyone could maybe a 25% width reduction because everyone just looks so damned wide in every animation and individual frame. Not thick, just too wide.
RCG I'm biased because I'll eat anything WayForward gives me (even the iffy stuff like SSS) and the Kunio series is fantastic, so it's one of their matches made in heaven, for me. It animates well, but in a more modern way with the spritework and it at least looks like there's good feedback in the gameplay. BT looks like it has none of said feedback, which was one of my biggest issues with games like Castle Crashers and some of the worse beat em ups where everything just kind of floats (this includes the original SOR games, to an extent).
All the ones I played growing up had them stay in a battle stance, and even the few more recent ones I've played (Scot Pilgrim). To be fair, they were NES games so your point stands as I largely skipped the genre the following generations. However, I wasn't thinking of it in that regard.
Just the idea of being in a fight and repeatedly putting your hands down is unnatural in itself, so I find it preferable for characters in these types of games to walk in a fighting stance. The postured walking stance in SoR4 is a power stance, but IMO it makes it look a bit stiff as it's more what people do when about to power lift, or in a confrontation, when they try to square their shoulders and make themselves look bigger. Typically it's more of a stationary stance. That in tandem with the hands dropping repeatedly in a fight, it stands out to me. I'm sure the game's good, but it just struck me as an odd decision, even knowing it has precedent it's a bit jarring to me.
Part of it feels like the technology going against the situation. Like Kunio they just animated the legs moving so you kind of bounce along in the same stance all the time. In, say, Final Fight, you're in a fighting stance all the time until you walk, then you're just walking from place to place outside of a fighting stance because nobody is there, but there's not, say, a proximity detection to move your legs differently when an enemy is nearby, so they just use the same walking stance all the time. I could see a game having some sort of mechanic for that to where it affects your attacks, even, where if an enemy is like a space or two nearby you're in your stance but outside of that you're walking and your punches come out slower or just differently from a hands-down idle position while walking (like a sort of back-handed knuckle or slap or weird kick).
The final product might be great, but even I have to admit they've done a really bad job of showing this. So far pretty much all we've seen is some mediocre gameplay of what seems to be a painfully easy tutorial stage with barely any enemies coming at you, being played by people who spend most of their time whiffing attacks. It reminds me of a lot of the early Team Sonic Racing marketing where the game always was on the slowest speed with none of the team mechanics being utilized to the fullest.
They should just put out a developer deep dive video where they're playing on a challenging difficulty and making quick work of enemies with the various moves at their disposal to dispel the claims of slow gameplay instead of letting negativity dominate the conversation. People who hate the art style will never be satisfied, but if the "it's slow and boring" narrative sets in it'll be hard to shake off even if it ends up not being remotely true.
They should just put out a developer deep dive video where they're playing on a challenging difficulty and making quick work of enemies with the various moves at their disposal to dispel the claims of slow gameplay instead of letting negativity dominate the conversation. People who hate the art style will never be satisfied, but if the "it's slow and boring" narrative sets in it'll be hard to shake off even if it ends up not being remotely true.
A system like that would be really interesting if implemented. Adding more depth or just animation differences could add a lot. I'm kind of surprised there isn't a game in this genre that does of have your characters stances change based on proximity. There must be, right? I know I've seen it in other games, but I can't think of any off of the top of my head.
Nah, even the supposedly fastest one walks around slow as molasses.
Talking about the combat tho. That seems fine by me. I agree the walking speed can be upped more abit. Easy fix i guess.
Just as easy as fixing the shadows so you don't hit air so often because you can't really locate where you and the enemy are. Let's hope they adress these things before launch.
I agree. Not a fan of the current art direction they're going with Battletoads, but i'm hoping the gameplay will make up for it. Also have the fever dream that you could possibly have old sprites after beating the game or something. Either way i'll still support these titles just to keep beat em' ups alive. This is actually a good problem to be having honestly.
Yeah, it's really unfortunate. Fun game. Maybe I'll end up picking up one of these games at some point
If you liked Scott Pilgrim I'd recommend River City Girls.
Scott Pilgrim was heavily inspired by the River City series.
You could be talking about past Battletoads games and Street of Rages/Kunio-kun games and that statement still would be true.