Ironic that you'd say that lol.
Both of you are making Phantom Thief proud.
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I think we should not expect the PS5 to dominate the market like the PS4 did
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Both of you are making Phantom Thief proud.
Microsoft did a good job of getting an audience to "switch" to the 360...then it was their job to keep most of those they got into their ecosystem. I don't know if the whole Red Ring situation got alot of them to switch back to (or for the first time try) the PS4, but we do know that the XboxOne Launch Strategy certainly did.
Now once Sony got all these customers, they did a good job of having exclusive content. So most of these customers who never owned PlayStations, might have been won over for another generation.
I think Xbox's hardcore fan base who also bought PS4s or felt they had to switch over... will go back to Microsoft next gen, IF they haven't already for the XboxOneX & GamePass.
I think the key is for Microsoft to attract more of the gaming audience DURING the generation...with blockbuster exclusive games. Like I've stated before, imo I think Ninja Theory with a huge budget will be part of that.
But I think it's going to be hard. Because this whole post I haven't said what Sony will do to keep most of that gaming audience. They will be ready with the exclusive games... they will be ready with a competitive price.
I think one thing that was learned/we were reminded from all this, is that if you do a great job of getting an audience..... you making fucking sure you are ready to keep them and don't do anything stupid to fuck up!
Now once Sony got all these customers, they did a good job of having exclusive content. So most of these customers who never owned PlayStations, might have been won over for another generation.
I think Xbox's hardcore fan base who also bought PS4s or felt they had to switch over... will go back to Microsoft next gen, IF they haven't already for the XboxOneX & GamePass.
I think the key is for Microsoft to attract more of the gaming audience DURING the generation...with blockbuster exclusive games. Like I've stated before, imo I think Ninja Theory with a huge budget will be part of that.
But I think it's going to be hard. Because this whole post I haven't said what Sony will do to keep most of that gaming audience. They will be ready with the exclusive games... they will be ready with a competitive price.
I think one thing that was learned/we were reminded from all this, is that if you do a great job of getting an audience..... you making fucking sure you are ready to keep them and don't do anything stupid to fuck up!
Spider Man, The Last Of Us, God of War and Horizon Zero Dawn will make Sony dominate again. It's as simple as that.
Why not? If we look at the situation at the end of last gen Microsoft was in a much much better position than they are now. The 360 was a successful console almost worldwide, rivaling if not beating the PS3 in several markets. The Xbox One on the other hand is dead in the water outside of the US and UK, sales are at rock bottom (apart from some SAD firesales). On top of that you don´t even need the console to play Microsofts games anymore.
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How can you say that after the nonsense we went through with Destiny and Call of Duty this gen as well as tying down Kojima, hyping up the FF7 remake five years prior to release as a launch exclusive and then locking SFV down as a console exclusive?
Sony was very aggressive with third party deals this time around.
This statement is complete hindsight, though. This is not how it appeared in 2013. Even with fan complaints, journalists were largely positive on Xbox One restrictions. The Wii U was looking slow, but to call it no competition woudl've been a huge stretch.
There's nothing to say this couldn't be the case now, where we all feel next gen is going to be highly competitive and then it just isn't.
Based on sentiment - which sucks as an indicator - I agree with you. PlayStation shit the bed when it came to consumer friendly practices in the last 2 years of this generation doesn't mean most people know that. Whereas, MS has been amazing with customer friendly practices but still in reality lacks games. Unless it's studio's can push out quality games or if they can do something even more amazing with xCloud - then I dunno. PS5 will still dominate, at least in raw numbers. Also MS fails year after year to penetrate the Asian market in any meaningful capacity. MS might win some mindshare, but its the games that matter.
Good point, why do I need an Xbox in case they release a good game, if I have a gaming PC?
Exactly. There's no plausible way the Xbox consoles get anywhere near the PS5 when sony has no competition across the vast majority of Europe and Asia.
Try to make the numbers work, you cant.
And for those pointing at the 360, that system sold 25 million units on the strength of Kinect, revitalizing sales near the end of the generation with consumers who are no longer in the market.
Without the Kinect Bump, the PS3 would have soundly beaten the 360 something like 85 million units to 60 million units.
And that was with EVERYTHING going right for Microsoft that possibly could have that gen and an extra year on the market to sell it.
I actually don't think it's going to sell as good as the switch launch aligned but it will be close
Nah.
Microsoft is still soundly beaten in every other country apart from the US and that will continue in to Next Gen no matter what. Sony's worst home console (PS3) still outsold the 360 worldwide mainly down to Europe and ROW sales.
Microsoft is still soundly beaten in every other country apart from the US and that will continue in to Next Gen no matter what. Sony's worst home console (PS3) still outsold the 360 worldwide mainly down to Europe and ROW sales.
I dunno, they still have all the best exclusives, at least IMO. And with Microsoft putting out pretty much everything on PC these days I just don't see the point in owning an Xbox. Unless the new Xbox is massively better spec'd and runs all multiplats better then I just don't see Sony losing.
The Xbox One didn't bomb. I think it's obvious PS5 will be the leader at the start. Only time will tell how the generation ends.
Ps4 wasn't the dominating console "earlier in the gen" it is still. It sells more than Xbox and just recently fell behind switch, which makes sense 6 years into a gen. It's past 100M and on track to end up 120-130M. It's selling like 15M+ per year in lower years.
Could Xbox have a 360 level comback? Sure. But the European and Japanese markets are very different than 2005-10, so there are very few viable pathes to that outside of Sony fucking up tremendously.
ps4 has literally been 2.5 times ahead of Xbox the whole gen In terms "dominating" the market.That could change but atm there's nothing to indicate it will.
no rumors of "no used games" or anything like for PS5, no reason to think that will change until something happens. If anything, Lockhart is the riskiest rumor and that's Xbox. Could be huge, middling, or a dud
Could Xbox have a 360 level comback? Sure. But the European and Japanese markets are very different than 2005-10, so there are very few viable pathes to that outside of Sony fucking up tremendously.
ps4 has literally been 2.5 times ahead of Xbox the whole gen In terms "dominating" the market.That could change but atm there's nothing to indicate it will.
no rumors of "no used games" or anything like for PS5, no reason to think that will change until something happens. If anything, Lockhart is the riskiest rumor and that's Xbox. Could be huge, middling, or a dud
They'll be the market leader by default thanks to BC. 100 million people aren't Going to want to give up digital libraries very easily.
But the domination level won't be near what it is this gen because Nintendo and Microsoft aren't going out of their way to trip over their own feet this time.
But the domination level won't be near what it is this gen because Nintendo and Microsoft aren't going out of their way to trip over their own feet this time.
Xbox has expanded beyond consoles. Judging next gen solely by who sold the most consoles will be outdated.
I agree with the premise that it's not a matter of IF Sony wins next gen, it's just a matter of by how much.
In terms of pure console sales though, while it's true that Sony had weaker competition with the PS4, it's also true that all the Xbox exclusives are now on PC day one, so I suspect Xbox console sales will be hurt by that.
In terms of pure console sales though, while it's true that Sony had weaker competition with the PS4, it's also true that all the Xbox exclusives are now on PC day one, so I suspect Xbox console sales will be hurt by that.
These are the kinds of things I don't care about. I am not losing any sleep over whether or not Sony or MS or anybody else for that matter is "dominating"
Fact is PS5 will do well enough to get a large library of games and so will Xbox Scarlett and I think that's all we need to be concerned with.
Fact is PS5 will do well enough to get a large library of games and so will Xbox Scarlett and I think that's all we need to be concerned with.
How is that relying on third party deals? Did you miss the Xbox 360 days where most major third party games had some form of exclusive content? Sony is guilty of resorting to the same tactics, but not to that extent. They clearly invested in their first party more than anything giving most their teams huge budgets and as many years as needed to create their games.
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No kidding.
At times I have seen up to 4 threads by him on the front page, if not more.
About the "feeling" of the OP...
Ok?
Isn't this the nth thread on the subject of "Sony might repeat success, but not as much, because competitors won't screw up this time", which is basically a thinly veiled way to say the PS4's success is mostly due to competitors fumbling rather than Sony doing (nearly) everything right?
That position was, and still is, bullshit.
I wouldn't say PS4 dominated the gen. Not like PS1/2 did atleast.
PS4 will probably get similar numbers to PS3 in the end, maybe 5m/10m more but that's it. PS5 will probably get something similar.
Next gen will be more like Nintendo trying to reach a former 7th glory and MS having new people to get PS numbers.
It's hard to know which console will lead next. A lot of stuff are happening in MS's ecosystem to just bet so safely on Sony. While Switch is getting only stronger as well.
PS4 will probably get similar numbers to PS3 in the end, maybe 5m/10m more but that's it. PS5 will probably get something similar.
Next gen will be more like Nintendo trying to reach a former 7th glory and MS having new people to get PS numbers.
It's hard to know which console will lead next. A lot of stuff are happening in MS's ecosystem to just bet so safely on Sony. While Switch is getting only stronger as well.
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In overall sales? Totally. They lead early and then were monumentally outpaced by Sony. If they hadn't, they would still be publishing sales numbers of the console.
No it won't. A sale is a sale, whether it's a sub or a hardware purchase. If a business wants to report MAU's then fair enough but as long as hardware is being sold numbers will keep getting reported. Unless your getting soundly beaten of course where numbers could effect your brand image.
If 105 million PS4s vs 45-50 million XB1s is utter domination, what was 150 million PS2s vs 25 million OG Xboxes? They won this gen going away but it was hardly historic.
I'm not saying Microsoft didn't do it but let's not pretend there weren't some falls where Sony had no heavy hitter first party games and relied heavily on Destiny and CoD exclusives and marketing.
It's actually more, if you go to the 10th you get a prompt to see even older results lol.
I would consider 19 million Xbox units in 2016 compared to 36 million PS4 units bombing. Hard.
