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I think we should not expect the PS5 to dominate the market like the PS4 did
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I think everyone, including Sony, is expecting a much more competitive landscape next gen. Sony has said as much, and if they see it, I think everyone can. That's the safe thing to say anyway at the point we are right now... forecasting specific marketshare changes is a much trickier business.
Then you're using the term WRONG!!! Once again the Wii U Bombed HARD.
The Playstation organization is almost completely different now than it was when the PS4 launched (and not in any positive way), so I have no idea what to expect at this point.
Next gen is about eco systems as we've already discussed, Halo via PC or xCloud is still an Xbox consumer, connected to a network serving a family of Xbox consoles (3 skus). Funny that EU is perhaps better equipped for this next gen then US in this regard, could see a huge spike in consumers for console communities in US for instance due to onboarding through other methods.
XB1 is cheaper than ps4 so price is not really relevant here, software is.
It passed the sales record of the ps1 in half the time and is STILL selling.
What kind of criteria are we using for "not dominant?" This is an ass kicking
Sony relied on Destiny no doubt, it was at the PS4 reveal and they were proudly showing off Bungie on their platform. Again, that was when even they believed they were going to struggle against the Xbox One and Wii U. It turned out to be nothing like that.
The Call of Duty deal I believe is nothing like that. Activision saw the PS4 being the market leader and wanted the highest selling game series to have the sweet marketing deal on the highest selling platform. It happened two years after the PS4 launched. I doubt Sony even initiated that arrangement, it was MS's missteps that made them lose it.
The fact that this is what you and the person you quoted took away from the OP says a lot
5 out of the 6 consoles they launched went on to have great success. Sony is a safe bet to succeed to some degree during gen 9, that´s my wisdom as the happy owner of all 6.
"Did you hear about the tragedy of Phantom Thief The Spammer?"
What happen to that guy?
It will tell us what we need to know about hardware though and how successful it is, or isn't. That's all it's ever done.
It will tell us as much next gen as it has this. Its not like we haven't had subscription services this generation either.
If we're talking about hardware:
I don't know if i count nintendo as direct competitor, but if you do, then yeah, they won't be "dominant", they will be about equal with nintendo in terms of raw hardware numbers. Microsoft is also about services now, and so they won't sell as many xbox consoles long term but it doesn't matter, since playing on xbox will just mean playing a game on a subscription service in the future.
I don't know if i count nintendo as direct competitor, but if you do, then yeah, they won't be "dominant", they will be about equal with nintendo in terms of raw hardware numbers. Microsoft is also about services now, and so they won't sell as many xbox consoles long term but it doesn't matter, since playing on xbox will just mean playing a game on a subscription service in the future.
the ps4 was the best selling console worldwide just last year
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PS2 won everywhere, 360 won America and UK and rest went to Wii, PS4 won everywhere except Japan, now Switch took over in the major markets, with worldwide it being close between Switch and PS4.
No it won't. These markets are only going to get bigger next gen. You're right in that all it will tell us is simply hardware. My point is Xbox has expanded this gen beyond consoles and will only invest and grow all aspects of these markets next gen.
Nice to see I'm not the only one who's thought that at 1 point or another.
This is too early to say. We still dont have no idea what both of them have prepared, especially in regards of next gen games. Microsoft did some buying, but they still need to prove themself.
It's gonna be a good next year, can't wait to see what they have to offer :).
It's gonna be a good next year, can't wait to see what they have to offer :).
I thought both of you were the same person though.
How's it going Phantom?
It's not a story the Jedi would tell you.
It's a Sith legend. Phantom Thief was a Dark Lord of the Era, so powerful and so wise he could use the Force to post threads without device to do so... He had such a knowledge of the thread creation that he could even keep the threads he cared about from dying. The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural. He became so powerful... the only thing he was afraid of was losing his topic posting powers, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his unknown apprentices everything he knew, then one of his apprentices banned him in his sleep. Ironic, he could save threads from death, but not himself.
Completely correct, I fully expect this gen to be really close in terms of competing hardware sales. I also reckon the switch will drop off quite significantly once they launch.
Unless Sony makes one catastrophic fuckup or Microsoft somehow ramps up its exclusive software department to have more high-ranking exclusives than Sony, then we should totally expect the PS5 to dominate.
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This is what I'm saying. Shouldn't be a controversial statement. And yet, here we are.
Microsoft will definitely give Sony more of a run for its money in US and UK territories next gen. As for everywhere else, I think things will remain largely unchanged.
Only way ms can keep it close is that they have to massively dominate the U.S./UK. Just dont see that happening
Can someone please explain to me where these extra sales are going to come from? Europe and Asia are basically non-starters. So are people expecting Microsoft to heavily outsell Sony in the US (like 2:1)? Are console sales supposed to suddenly experience rapid growth in South America or Africa or something?
Because It's very obvious that Microsoft's path to expansion is not traditional consoles; they simply can't compete on a global level as far as selling boxes goes. That's why they're pushing PC and xCloud so hard—go to where people already are instead of trying to make them come to you.
Now of course the downside to that is that it's also easier for them to leave. To PC gamers, you're just another 3rd party, to mobile users, you're just another subscription service. Still, it's probably their best bet going forward.
Because It's very obvious that Microsoft's path to expansion is not traditional consoles; they simply can't compete on a global level as far as selling boxes goes. That's why they're pushing PC and xCloud so hard—go to where people already are instead of trying to make them come to you.
Now of course the downside to that is that it's also easier for them to leave. To PC gamers, you're just another 3rd party, to mobile users, you're just another subscription service. Still, it's probably their best bet going forward.
Yeah, the only way I can see that happening if MS can offer a more powerful system that's cheaper than PS5.
"Did you hear about the tragedy of Phantom Thief The Spammer?"
It's not a story the Jedi would tell you.
It's a Sith legend. Phantom Thief was a Dark Lord of the Era, so powerful and so wise he could use the Force to post threads without device to do so... He had such a knowledge of the thread creation that he could even keep the threads he cared about from dying. The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural. He became so powerful... the only thing he was afraid of was losing his topic posting powers, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his unknown apprentices everything he knew, then one of his apprentices banned him in his sleep. Ironic, he could save threads from death, but not himself.
lmao
You're spot on. I don't know what OP is thinking, but Sony will outsell MS by at least double next-gen. That much is certain. The Xbox brand is DEAD in many important markets.
This might be the first time in history where none of console developers screw up, so no I don't expect any 1 console to dominate.
And I doubt the ps5 will be outselling the Switch so that already means it wont dominate. Xbox is making major improvements so they can potentially do better than they did with the 360.
And I doubt the ps5 will be outselling the Switch so that already means it wont dominate. Xbox is making major improvements so they can potentially do better than they did with the 360.