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I want more N64-style Zelda games.

Angst

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I've always felt the 3D N64 Zeldas haven't been topped.

Its not just nostalgia, there are a few other reasons why I would love a third game like OOT/MM

1. Links design in these games is better than any other imo

2. I liked the size of the environments in both games. Sure this was probably due to hardware limitations, but I feel breath of the wild is honestly too big.

To be honest, it just boils down to just loving the style.

Its why I was so interested in third quest (see below)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atlJRTV_s3Y&t=1438s

I know this thread is probably rambling at this point, but one of my greatest gaming wishes would be to get another game in this style. Even though it would likely never happen.

Anyone else agree with me that the N64 titles were the best?
 
Weiss

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Wind Waker and Majora's Mask aren't just my favourite Zeldas, they're two of my all time favourite games, period.

But I think the Ocarina formula has run its course. Breath of the Wild wasn't particularly great but it provides a foundation to explore new concepts in a series that got stale with Twilight Princess.
 
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Look to the indie scene. BotW engine is here to stay. Just as Ocarina spawned half a dozen games based off it's engine, so will BotW.
 
StraySheep

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I would say WW and TP (and what I have played of SS) gave me a very similar feeling nostalgia aside. That is why I found BotW disappointing when it didn't recapture that magic for me.
 
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Angst

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Thinking back on it, TP, WW, and SS do all have this style. I guess I just care for it more than I do the way BOTW did things.
 
Asbsand

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OP I love you. I had forgotten I wanted this but this was something I would regularly bring up last gen.

We went through a retro bit-graphic rennaissance with indie games but haven't really seen a wave of PS1 or N64 style graphics. In fact, I think in spite of how most indies have made fully fledged games they have never gotten to an N64-like team size or production at large where there's a publisher really expecting a grand feature product, but I would absolutely love to see Nintendo unabashedly take their N64 engine for Ocarina of Time and just build a new game and new assets and release it on the E-Shop. It would never happen as the large majority of newer gamers would never understand its appeal from its marketing but as a pipe-dream I absolutely love it.
 
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Angst

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Asbsand said:
We went through a retro bit-graphic rennaissance with indie games but haven't really seen a wave of PS1 or N64 style graphics. In fact, I think in spite of how most indies have made fully fledged games they have never gotten to an N64-like team size or production at large where there's a publisher really expecting a grand feature product, but I would absolutely love to see Nintendo unabashedly take their N64 engine for Ocarina of Time and just build a new game and new assets and release it on the E-Shop. It would never happen as the large majority of newer gamers would never understand its appeal from its marketing but as a pipe-dream I absolutely love it.
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This is actually exactly what I want.
 
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Weiss said:
Wind Waker and Majora's Mask aren't just my favourite Zeldas, they're two of my all time favourite games, period.

But I think the Ocarina formula has run its course. Breath of the Wild wasn't particularly great but it provides a foundation to explore new concepts in a series that got stale with Twilight Princess.
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Can't roll my eyes harder
 
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I find myself wondering if this is what the 2D Zelda team is going to do, or if they're actually going to release a 2D Zelda on Switch
 
Fanta

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Oot was a 3D Lttp and every Zelda up to Skyward Sword was Oot in a different mask, I think there's been plenty of n64 styled Zeldas
 
XSX

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I'd love that too since OoT and Majora's Mask are the best Zelda games ever made, but after the success and hype of BotW I don't think were going back.
 
Velocity:Design:Comfort

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Weiss said:
How fragile and delicate is your love for the game if an errant forum post is enough to upset you?
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Only one who comes off defensive is you, who has to act oh so superior and as the arbiter of quality when what you really mean is I didn't personally like something.

Also you might as well said "snowflake triggered huh?" I know you wanted to.
 
Vimes

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Ever since Master Quest finally came to the US, my dream has been that either Nintendo or the modding community make a "Zelda 64 Maker" and we just drown in content. Always been hungry for more.
 

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It's all I wish for honestly. The OoT-style Zelda formula was one of a kind and there's no franchise out there that plays like the Zelda games from OoT to SS did. There are games that come close like Beyond Good and Evil, Sphinx and the Cursed Mummy, Darksiders (From what I hear at least, I've just begun the first game so I'm not sure yet), but that's it.

Still hurts to see this type of game just die like this, it's my favorite gaming "genre".
 
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Angst

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Vimes said:
Ever since Master Quest finally came to the US, my dream has been that either Nintendo or the modding community make a "Zelda 64 Maker" and we just drown in content. Always been hungry for more.
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this is a real cool idea. Basically mario maker but with zelda. It would have to be much more detailed than the mario game. But I'm confident nintendo could do it.
 
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Extra Sauce said:
Yep.

Also, instead of having 120 (?) mini-dungeons that sometimes take as long to complete as the loading screens that separate them from the main game, have fewer, bigger dungeons.
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I don't know if you have played it, but I really liked some of the "enviromental" dungeons that existed in FFXV. I think it would be cool to apply that to Zelda, if only in more detail
 

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StraySheep said:
I just hope it doesn't have to be an either/or, and that there is some middle ground between the two styles.
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I think that BotW can be improved upon (which is exciting given how fantastic it already is), but I would rather it be taken as the base and be added to, rather than us move back towards the N64 style again.
 
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Phantom Thief said:
I think that BotW can be improved upon (which is exciting given how fantastic it already is), but I would rather it be taken as the base and be added to, rather than us move back towards the N64 style again.
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Same. I think BotW's successor can be improved upon by bringing back some of the older Zelda elements like dungeons and finding Heart Pieces.

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You can't even handle someone disagreeing with you without insults


...but yeah I'm a baby.
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You're throwing a fit because I don't like a video game and then tried to affix alt-right terminology onto me, so yeah I think it's pretty apt.
 
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i think there's potential to take what botw did right and what the n64 games did best, put them together and create a near perfect game
 
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I don't disagree, but I can see where the people that don't like OoT/LttP style games are coming from. We had our share of games for a while.

Happy medium for me personally would be to start with BotW as a baseline and add in more elements of the previous games (and remove some BotW bloat in the process).
 

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Weiss said:
Same. I think BotW's successor can be improved upon by bringing back some of the older Zelda elements like dungeons and finding Heart Pieces.
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Dungeons, yes, but I feel like heart pieces are unnecessary, given that Spirit Orbs already serve that exact function. Just hide them in the world as well, instead of only in Shrines.
 
jwhit28

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Me too. I love Breath of the Wild but I hope traditional 3D Zelda finds a way to stick around. Either as the hot new indie thing or Grezzo making their own Hero of Time game. I want some of that dungeon design that can only exist with linearity back.
 

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We had 5 games with that formula, that's enough. The era of open air Zelda is here, and there's no going back.

I would like some proper dungeons in the next one though. Not necessarily as many or as large as in those games, but a decent amount along with keeping the bite-sized shrines (although maybe give them some different themes next time).
 
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Weiss said:
Same. I think BotW's successor can be improved upon by bringing back some of the older Zelda elements like dungeons and finding Heart Pieces.



You're throwing a fit because I don't like a video game and then tried to affix alt-right terminology onto me, so yeah I think it's pretty apt.
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Acting like people are throwing a fit for disagreeing and are so so upset and calling them hysteric is alt right shit, so own what you do. Pretty obviously you tried to bait people with your hot take but then when they respond apparently you didn't do anything to question.
 
Megatron

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I think the oot formula wore very stale. I'd like to see them make the next several games in a different style before considering going back to it.
 
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Phantom Thief said:
Dungeons, yes, but I feel like heart pieces are unnecessary, given that Spirit Orbs already serve that exact function. Just hide them in the world as well, instead of only in Shrines.
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I think if shrines exist in the next BOTW, I think it would be cool for them to be "themed" like having lava inside shrines near the gorons, make the shrines made of clay and rock, and remix the music to sound more "Goron-y"

Same way with zora, rito etc.
 
Glio

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A dungeon with the length of an old one in a game like BOTW would completely break the pace of the game.

It is simply too long.
 
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I want diverse locations and plenty of dungeons with the old Zelda formula.

I don't want empty hub worlds, the same looking 1 room puzzles, throw-away weapons, poor inventory management, recycled boss fights, or a pittance of dungeons designed for 1 and done use of special inventory items.

I didn't like Skyward Sword and Breath of the Wild.
 
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I don't remember where I read this, but I remember hearing that the reason standard Zelda dungeons weren't included in BotW was because when playtesting other Zelda games they found that the average player was most likely to quit playing in the middle of a long dungeon. Thus, they made dungeons in BotW relatively short and fully optional.

If that's true, and given the success of BotW, I don't see Nintendo returning to the N64 formula for a long, long time.
 

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Angst said:
I think if shrines exist in the next BOTW, I think it would be cool for them to be "themed" like having lava inside shrines near the gorons, make the shrines made of clay and rock, and remix the music to sound more "Goron-y"

Same way with zora, rito etc.
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Yeah, I agree. Themed shrines, and themed dungeons. Also, have the dungeons have multiple entrances, that can be stumbled upon from the open world in various ways, and can be solved and progressed through in various ways depending on the point of entry as well (basically Hyrule Castle style).
 
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