They were getting a mainstream blockbuster film out of the deal, possibly one of the best toy advertisements you could ask for. I'm sure they were more than willing to capitulate to Bay/Paramount's demands. Also, the movie toylines were about 70% Optimus and Bumblebee by volume, so it's not like they cared to have a lot of distict designs on store shelves.I am surprised Hasbro was ok with those initial designs. They seem like a harder sell in the toy market. You need the designs to stand out to push toys.
Fuck it, I'll make enemies today.
I think the Transformer movie designs are really fucking cool looking, maybe not "Transformers", but they are pretty badass looking sci-fi mechs and watching them mess things up was really fun. The movies are bad though, don't get me wrong, but the action scenes were still fun to watch as much as people like to complain about them.
Maybe I interpret things different visually or something, but people say this a lot and I didn't see that at all. I can get not knowing who's who due to the colors and designs being similar, but the actual action itself was pretty easy to follow and had some really awesome setpieces.Action scenes were completely unreadable. You had this piles of gray moving junk, shape shifting as a mass, fighting with each other with no possible way of knowing what they were doing.
Terrible designs and terrible movies. OP is completely spot on.
You're missing what has some of the best high octane robot action in a western film, so there's that. The designs are messy, but you still get Optimus Prime beheading fools with an energon broadsword and Megatron unleashing a gundam cannon in downtown LA.100% agree, and that's the main reason I never watched any of these movies despite Transformers being my favorite show as a kid.
I am surprised Hasbro was ok with those initial designs. They seem like a harder sell in the toy market. You need the designs to stand out to push toys.
The Bayformers Optimus is like design vomit, but the Bumblebee version is so damn good.
They don't actually transform though. Also they had the Prime toys to go to.My biggest problem with the Transformer movie designs is that a lot of the decepticons have the same paintjob. As cluttered as all the designs are, at least the Autobots look unique.
I think the clutter comes from trying to justify where everything would go if a truck turned into a robot
I'll disagree. Is the action frenetic, fast, and non-stop? Sure.You're missing what has some of the best high octane robot action in a western film, so there's that. The designs are messy, but you still get Optimus Prime beheading fools with an energon broadsword and Megatron unleashing a gundam cannon in downtown LA.
Bumblebee is directed by Travis Knight who made the great Stop motion Kubowait WHAT????? They changed the character designs????
oh man now I'm going to watch Bumblebee..... I thought it was going to be the same old crazy shit.
Yeah, new creative team, new director.wait WHAT????? They changed the character designs????
oh man now I'm going to watch Bumblebee..... I thought it was going to be the same old crazy shit.
Yeah, new creative team, new director.
One that really loved the original versions of the characters.
The Bayformers Optimus is like design vomit, but the Bumblebee version is so damn good.
Blitzwing went out like a chump though.Also the two decepticons bad guys >>>>>> any of the previous villains and those two are not complex they just feel like actual characters
Not just Optimus... look at all these sexy fellows.Bumblebee's Optimus Prime design is so beautiful it makes up for a decade of Bayverse.
How hard is that to give?! Goddamn there's an entire Transformers universe and we have locked then up in Earth so we can stare at Megan Fox or something.I want the first 10 minutes of Bumblebee turned into a 2 hour movie.
Only people who talk about Blitzwing are salty starscream fans
Not just Optimus... look at all these sexy fellows.
I instantly know who EVERY ONE of these guys are. They're old friends.
I don't even like Screamer. Galvatron did nothing wrong.Only people who talk about Blitzwing are salty starscream fans
Dropckick and Shatter though
They did these flip change things that transform in like 2 moves and I threw up in my mouth a little bit.Considering they have to sell toys, Bayformers must've been a mess to create toys for.
Not just Optimus... look at all these sexy fellows.
I instantly know who EVERY ONE of these guys are. They're old friends.
Lol
.Bumblebee is directed by Travis Knight who made the great Stop motion Kubo
As a result while personally movie is ok and looks great next to Bayformers, it has more heart and humanity than the Bayformers combined
Also the two decepticons bad guys >>>>>> any of the previous villains and those two are not complex they just feel like actual characters
Keep in mind the movie is a maybe reboot or maybe prequel depending on how the executives like it and reshoots added stuff that contradict previous movies because they leaning more into reboot but honestly Bay retcon shit every movie
They did these flip change things that transform in like 2 moves and I threw up in my mouth a little bit.
Fuck it, I'll make enemies today.
I think the Transformer movie designs are really fucking cool looking, maybe not "Transformers", but they are pretty badass looking sci-fi mechs and watching them mess things up was really fun. The movies are bad though, don't get me wrong, but the action scenes were still fun to watch as much as people like to complain about them.
Not saying your opinion is invalid or wrong, but part of my frustrating was my inability to follow the action. There were legit scenes of Megatron and Starscream interacting and I couldn't tell which one was which.
It took me several seconds to figure out who was who in this scene, for instance. It has zero framing shots to establish who is talking, where the characters are, and the camera keeps breaking the shot so characters moving from left to right of camera so your eye is constantly trying to track them.
I agree that on their own, the Bayformer designs are great...when they are simply supposed to be generic sci-fi creatures with no personalities and are just there to blow shit up/get blown up. The problem is that the entire point of Transformers is that these robots all have UNIQUE CHARACTERS AND PERSONALITIES. Bay turned what was supposed to be a tragic war about sentient robots murdering each other into fucking video game enemies.
Tell you what also bothered me, they didn't look like they actually transformed into trucks and cars and stuff, there seemed to be way to much metallic gubbins flying around.
They just took the easy way out. Animating an actual transformation from car to humanoid robot is way more difficult than making a morphing mess of swirling metal parts.
The actual toys were really ingeniously made - and transformed in a mechanical and logical way.
Beyond the atrocious designs, the cinematography is one of the worst I've ever seen - literally headache inducing.
Yeah. And the third film had some fucking INSANE action. 2 was shit but that Optimus fight in the forest was pretty awesome too.You're missing what has some of the best high octane robot action in a western film, so there's that. The designs are messy, but you still get Optimus Prime beheading fools with an energon broadsword and Megatron unleashing a gundam cannon in downtown LA.
Sure, Bay is fantastic at moments and crazy spectacle set-pieces. I just feel incomprehensible pointless but epic spectacle is bad action, regardless of how cool it looks. Like I enjoy a lot of moments throughout the Transformers movies but I would never rewatch them or classify their sequences as well-made action.You're missing what has some of the best high octane robot action in a western film, so there's that. The designs are messy, but you still get Optimus Prime beheading fools with an energon broadsword and Megatron unleashing a gundam cannon in downtown LA.
Look, that has nothing on Soundwave. We didn't care.This isn't solely endemic to the Michael Bay movies
Watch Transformers: The Movie. Hot Rod transforms several different ways throughout the movie. In the G1 cartoon, Ironhide and Ratchet's transformations are categorically impossible and involve their vehicle mode parts dramatically changing in size to produce a robot mode that shows very little of the actual vehicle mode. Beast Wars Dinobot's transformation has his head swelling to the size of his very broad chest and whole portions of his vehicle mode disappearing behind him.