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If Microsoft is planning a new Banjo Kazooie, then Mario Odyssey is how you evolve it

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Super Mario Odyssey feels like a mix of all the great Mario games with Banjo Kazooie. Being dropped into a world to look for moons without having to back out and reenter is great for a 3D platformer, and with all the characters to use it feels like Banjo Kazooie: Transformation Evolved.

If a new Banjo Kazooie is ever to be released, I hope its grand return is structured similarly. It's important that they nail it, and with this formula I think people will be open to it over something too polarizing like Nuts & Bolts, which while I think many will agree is a solid game, but not the game Banjo fans need right now.

I could go on about this, but I'm too excited to stop playing Odyssey lol. I can't stop thinking about this damn game! And once it's over, I know I'll be thinking more about Banjo Kazooie being given this treatment; it deserves a come back!

So how about you, anyone else thinking about Banjo Kazooie while playing Odyssey?
 
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Rare said recently they have no plans on bringing back their old IP if I recall. Doesn't close the door on another dev to touch the series like Double Helix did with Killer Instinct (2013) but I can't think of any dev that would take it.

Thankfully Mario Odyssey is filling the void in a way. It's a Banjo collectathon with incredible platforming gameplay of Mario.
 
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KZXcellent said:
Rare said recently they have no plans on bringing back their old IP if I recall.

Thankfully Mario Odyssey is filling the void in a way. It's a Banjo collectathon with incredible platforming gameplay of Mario.
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I don't think Rare needs to be the developer on a new Banjo Kazooie. Killer Instinct returned and proved other developers are more than capable of providing justice for Rare IP's.
 

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I don't think there will be a new Banjo-Kazooie for some time looking at the fact they just release Super Licky's Tale as their mascot platformer.
 
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Remember when they tried to expand it like Odyssey with it's sequel, Tooie.

Remember that Tooie is actually very bad

A smaller scale is much better than Odyssey's grand sense of scale for an adventure game like Banjo. Backtracking is almost required to be in it but not as overwhelming as Tooie
 
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Mario Odyssey feels like a new Mario 64

I don't get where you get Banjo Kazooie from it other than it being a 3d platformer. Like the platforming feels good so its not much like Banjo
 
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FUNKNOWN iXi said:
I don't think Rare needs to be the developer on a new Banjo Kazooie. Killer Instinct returned and proved other developers are more than capable of providing justice for Rare IP's.
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Haha yeah you're right. I was just editing in that part. I have to wonder what dev could even make something on the scale of a Banjo 3 at this point.
 
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Don't worry, they're not!
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Sad but true. I'm glad they're giving Rare an opportunity to develop an ambitious new IP, perhaps that is what the team needed to revitalize their energy after a string of mediocre or unsuccessful titles but I don't think we'll see Banjo Kazooie from them or any other Microsoft Studio any time soon.
 
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Didn't Rare have another game in the work besides Sea of Thieves?
Maybe it's a reboot for an old Ip(probably not).
 
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data west said:
Mario Odyssey feels like a new Mario 64

I don't get where you get Banjo Kazooie from it other than it being a 3d platformer. Like the platforming feels good so its not much like Banjo
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Transformations feel more like Banjo Kazooie as they're not just additions to Mario's moveset like with typical Mario power-ups, rather in Odyssey they are completely different characters like in Banjo. Also, you had to back out and re-enter levels for a lot of stars in Mario 64, whereas in Banjo you just stay in that world until you're ready to leave.
 
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I think probably a tighter and more expanded version of nuts and bolts would stand out more. trying to directly compete with mario's platforming and gameplay variety seems like a mistake, and like a place that has less opportunity for experimentation
 
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I'm playing it right now and it's really good, it's a lot like Galaxy 2 but in bigger space, makes me think of sunshine or 64.

Unfortunately i don't trust anyone at MS to do a good banjo and kazooie, the IP is dead, and that's a real shame.
 
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I don't trust Microsoft or modern rare with banjo and kazooie, besides I think somethings are better left died
 
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Calvarok said:
I think probably a tighter and more expanded version of nuts and bolts would stand out more. trying to directly compete with mario's platforming and gameplay variety seems like a mistake, and like a place that has less opportunity for experimentation
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Hmm, what if one of the worlds was entirely focused on Nuts & Bolts and creating vehicles to get Jiggies? I think that'd be interesting.

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I don't trust Microsoft or modern rare with banjo and kazooie, besides I think somethings are better left died
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Can you imagine this being said after Sunshine with how much unfortunate hate that received? We never would've got Galaxy, 3D World or Odyssey.
 

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I'm not sure I even want a new BK after SMO and seeing how Yooka-Laylee turned out to be.

data west said:
Mario Odyssey feels like a new Mario 64

I don't get where you get Banjo Kazooie from it other than it being a 3d platformer. Like the platforming feels good so its not much like Banjo
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It's a collectathon like BK, but it's also a platformer.... it's like all the 3D Mario's and BK had a baby, and it's beautiful.
 
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MS will not make a game that cannot be GAS and Banjo is not a good fit for it.
 
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Would be great to see Banjo and Kazooie return but I just can't see it happening based on Rare's comments. I've no idea who at MS would be the perfect fit for it either. Shame as great IP.
 
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Rare said they wouldn't be returning to old franchises unless the concept would be groundbreaking or something along those lines.

Bye bye any chances of Banjo or Conker.
 
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Silky said:
Remember when they tried to expand it like Odyssey with it's sequel, Tooie.

Remember that Tooie is actually very bad

A smaller scale is much better than Odyssey's grand sense of scale for an adventure game like Banjo. Backtracking is almost required to be in it but not as overwhelming as Tooie
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Very bad? You're nuts! Tooie was awesome. It's one of my favorite games of all time.
 
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Silky said:
Remember when they tried to expand it like Odyssey with it's sequel, Tooie.

Remember that Tooie is actually very bad

A smaller scale is much better than Odyssey's grand sense of scale for an adventure game like Banjo. Backtracking is almost required to be in it but not as overwhelming as Tooie
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The issue in Tooie isn't the content necessarily, it's just that Rare couldn't ever figure out how to make such a large amount of content fun. Odyssey has more content than Tooie ever did and it's consistently fun all throughout and a joy to play. When Rare went all out in content with Tooie and Donkey Kong 64, it was a chore to play.
 
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It's not gonna happen, nor is it likely it will be even remotely as good as Mario..rare today is almost nothing like the rare that were good back in the day. It's Rare in name only.
 
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At this point it would be better if Nintendo acquired the rights of the franchise. I don't think Rare still has it to create a game that captures the magic of the original Banjo-Kazooie games (Hell, not even former Rare members can capture the magic of the original games. See Yooka-Laylee).
 
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They'll never bring it back at this point as much as people would love it
 
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Mario Odyssey is a love letter to both Banjo Kazooie and Space Station Silicon Valley.
 
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Comic Obsessed said:
At this point it would be better if Nintendo acquired the rights of the franchise. I don't think Rare still has it to create a game that captures the magic of the original Banjo-Kazooie games (Hell, not even former Rare members can capture the magic of the original games. See Yooka-Laylee).
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Gregg Mayles is still at Rare (leading on Sea of Thieves). I wouldn't want a Banjo game without him. He had a huge part in the level design for the Banjo games, which is something Yooka-Laylee failed on for me.
 
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Banjo Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts is quite similar to a Nintendo game called Mario Artist: Polygon Studio. Open world game where you build crazy vehicles.



Look, Rareware never cared about what people wanted. That was their strength as a company. Their Lynchian appeal. The difficulty spikes in Rareware games were intentional sadism. They enjoyed screwing with their customers. There was no sucking up to the audience, no "What do you want from the series, precious customer. Shall we change the game to be more like what you wanted?" None of that. Conker's Bad Fur Day is a gigantic "We don't give a shit what you want from a Conker game."
 
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