If Spider-Man: Far From Home doesn't make a billion (which it will), Sony is no longer contractually obligated to work with Marvel

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Oct 27, 2017
Southern California
The source on this is The Ankler, who was the same guy who said Kathleen Kennedy would be FIRED right before she signed a three year contract extension:
"While Kathleen Kennedy worked wonders relaunching this property from the abyss of the Lucas prequel trilogy and turning it into a bigger than ever all-devouring cultural force, there has to be more than some thought that it's time for new blood at the helm. The talk out there is of a September changing of the guards. We'll see."


Oct 25, 2017
If it DOESNT make a billion then can Sony scrap Holland so we can have our glorious Toby back?


The Abominable Showman
Oct 25, 2017
it's really weird then that Marvel is setting up this Spider-Man to be a major player in the next phase of movies when they barely have a hold of him.
I kinda feel like that's half the point. They're tying him in so inextricably to the rest of the universe that cutting him out would do more damage to the brand than leaving him in. Essentially a suicide pill setup for Sony.


The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
Sounds like the Zelda timeline :v

Spider-Man doesn't get 1 B at Box Office -> The hero is defeated -> The Decline of Spider-Man franchise and the last great Spider-Man film.
(A Venom to the Past)

Spider-Man gets 1 B at Box Office -> The hero is triumphant -> MCU Era (The Spidey Waker)

Does Sony also own Miguel, Gwen and Miles?
Sadly yes.

Probably even Anya Corazon aka Araña, and Jessica Drew aka Spider-Woman.

Yes. Which is crazy to me. Those characters weren’t around when that wacky deal was made.
One interesting bit about that, concerning the creation of Gwendolyn Poole aka Gwenpool:
"The last thing we ever expected was for [the variant] to go viral," reflected Antos in an exclusive interview with CBR at the 2019 Emerald City Comic-Con. "Within weeks of that cover being released, there was fan art, there was cosplay. That didn't happen with any of the other covers. [But] Fox owned Deadpool and Sony owns Gwen Stacy. That's why she was Gwendolyn Poole. That's why she actually debuted in Howard the Duck. She had her debut in an issue that was a Marvel property."


Oct 31, 2017
I’ll be really sad if we only get one more Holland/Marvel Spider Man.

You can make at least two trilogies with this cast.


Nov 7, 2017
Sony should stick to Spiderverse sequels and spinoffs and completely ignore live action Spidey.

Spiderverse is the best spiderman movie ever but Venom and ASM 1 and 2 were ass and their ideas for the future were even worse.


Oct 25, 2017
Why would Sony ever want to get full creative control back when they can just let Marvel make actual well made movies that bring in way more money for Sony?
Each individual one in the MCU makes more money but Marvel can’t/wouldn’t want like 2 or 3 spider-man movies per year or something. They need room for others. Sony would, and combined that could make more even if mediocre.


The Fallen
Jan 11, 2018
So long as Marvel can continue to make Spider-Man movies and involve them in the MCU how the want, I’m happy. It’s when Sony decides to wrest crontrol form Marvel and make their own movie or try and limit his appearances in other films that I’ll be frustrated.


Oct 25, 2017
So Holland has one more movie, and then he either renegotiates, or Holland-Spidey is out of the MCU? Am I reading that correctly?
He doesn’t necessarily need a multi-film deal; they can always do deals on a film-by-film basis. But the studio/s will be keen to get him onto a longer deal because a rolling deal gives the actor a lot of pull in terms of negotiating money. I believe that’s what RDJ was doing for his last few, which is why he was on such ridiculous money.

Does Sony also own Miguel, Gwen and Miles?
The list isn’t publicly known but it’s basically anyone predominantly associated with Spider-Man, and since those characters have already been in Sony-produced movies (live action or animated), it’s a safe bet.

I’d assume that if Marvel owned one of the non-Parker Spider-Men they’d have already used that one in the MCU as it would be easier than dealing with a third party.


Nov 3, 2017
Just give me Spider Man 4 by Sam Raimi and i'll be good tbh. Either Sony or Marvel.


Oct 25, 2017
Why would Sony ever want to get full creative control back when they can just let Marvel make actual well made movies that bring in way more money for Sony?
Yeah it doesn't make sense to me, not when they have stuff like Spider-Verse and Venom which they can make in the years that there isn't a MCU Spider-Man.


The Fallen
Jul 26, 2018
With it looking like Spider-Man being one of the main faces of the MCU going forward, I have a feeling Disney/Marvel will buy the rights back when the contract expires.


Oct 25, 2017
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