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If the 300 is any indication, I see why Chrysler is abandoning cars along with Ford.
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Yeah no. Some folks just aren't used to rear wheel drive cars. You can push a Camaro to a 100 without even feeling it stress.
That's why I don't like new(er) cars. I drive a Grand Marquis and it floats on the road but it still has a 4.6 v8 that aint no punk. I drove my homies Lexus the other day and it just feels like a slug. Even when I rent cars for trips, the power might be there but the steering and ride lack comfort..
Im about to but a 1983 Cadiilac Coupe Deville.
Im about to but a 1983 Cadiilac Coupe Deville.
Isn't the 4.1L V8 in early 80s Cadillacs not so great in terms of reliability? I used to have an 86 Fleetwood Brougham with a 5L Oldsmobile V8 that was a good engine. Slow, of course, but smooth.
That doesn't make sense. The drive wheels don't really have anything to do with it really, except for fwd would have some torque steer probably.
Though the v6 camaro is faster than the civic, unless he has a type r which I doubt.
Ask and ye shall receive.
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Was anticipating a Cadillac ATS (translator's note: Adult Thumb Sucking) but you perceive, charters, you receive "or commensurate". Whatsoever, I able to detect
what I am withheld from in the domiciliary exchange juxtaposed to my common LAKE derived vehicles.
Embark onto the thoroughfare on incline, ground the gavel a modicum in the vicinity of 56.33 kph and despite an 8 pace communication calcitrating subjacent as distant as it will persist, that 3.6 satanic symbol is simply sputtering and defying burgeoning uprisings like the colonies nigh 1775. That destitute petite V6 attempting to maneuver 1814.369 kg of Colonial swine steel was simply etiolated. My bride's E90 age 328xi can in some measure deliver when one puts the mallet earthward for conglomerating into logjam and it is deficient 600cc o'er the 300.
What occurred, New England? What the devil transpired?"
Brilliant! Colonial swine steel.
I don't think Chrysler need you to run damage control for them for free... They can afford to pay for it
this is a lie? This is a lie. (Unless a stock Type R, but then saying "stock" is kind of misleading).
I have driven both recently, last 3 or so years and the V6 camaro was actually surprisingly spry. Sure, the cars have gotten heavier in the past 20 years, but the v6 at 300-335 hp is quite quick.
to address the stock 300, they are definitely boats, but that is what they are kind of supposed to be. They are supposed to be comfortable, no surprises and able to get yoy, a bunch of people and luggage where you need to get to reasonably comfortably, even with 4-5 people in the car. See the Lincoln town car and ford crown victoria. Those were underpowered, detuned V8's in a luxury full size sedan, but that is what people wanted. Bigger engines didn't typically only mean more speed, they meant a smoother ride as well. Now, I think a 4 or 6 cylinder mated with a decent transmission can be pretty smooth, but that wasn't the case even 10 years ago when 4 and 6 speeds were the common transmission. Now we have moved into 8, 10 speed automatic that can smooth out a smaller engine. There are a lot of people that equate a big car with a v6 or v8 as having a smoother more comfortable ride from that past experience.
Sure, a v6 Lexus, Audi, etc. is going to be much better as far as performance and feel than the 300, but those are typically at a higher price point.
Oh man! The context for this statement. The older generation love these wide angle opening doors. I believe that notion stems from a place of "wider opening doors mean luxury". By having tight doors, people equated that to a compact base model, cramped and uncomfortable car.
Definitely not saying I love the wide doors because they are actually kind of annoying in parking lots, garages, etc., but I think that's where the sentiment came from.D
Kind of going off my last post that a V-type engine meant luxury, I usually look at the history surrounding that facet and is typically clear why something existed or happened. Even it's not a particularly good reason, there is still a reason for it. And the companies just cater to their consumers.
Imagine buying American after the whole auto industry screwed up so bad they had to get bailed out by the government
Why would you buy a Japanese car when there are Korean cars?
Why would you buy a Japanese car when there are Korean cars?
It's heavy. The V8 hemi provides the performance you're looking for.I had one of these as a rental for four days. It was an extra $20 to go from Midsize to Luxury so, you know...
Was expecting a Caddy ATS but you know, rentals, you get "or equivalent". Whatever, I can see what I'm missing out on in the domestic market compared to my usual SEA sourced cars. Get onto the highway on ramp, drop the hammer a little at 35mph and even with an 8 speed transmission kicking down as far as it will go, that 3.6 Pentastar is just wheezing and resisting rising revolutions like Tiananmen Square circa 1989. That poor little V6 trying to move 4,000lbs of American pig iron was just anemic. My wife's E90 era 328xi can at least bring it when one puts the hammer down for merging into traffic and it's missing 600cc over the 300.
What happened, America? What the hell happened?
The V6 option has ecoboost, allowing you to save gas. It may run better with that turned off.
But yeah, Chrysler, Dodge, and Jeep suck. I say this as a Dodge Challenger R/T owner. I love my car but hate it's manufacturer.
Anytime I see a story about sedans getting nixed I think of that Nissan Sentra we rented one time. That was the worst engine I've ever experienced. Pedal to the floor and it felt like it was just considering maybe trying to go faster. The ECU at highway speeds would sometimes decide it needed to do pushups and would jump between like 1500 and 4000 RPM and back several times. The CVT is just total garbage.
My personal hatred is directed at the EcoSport. Ford killed the Fiesta and Focus (and their ST/RS varieties) and puts out what is basically a taller shittier fiesta - https://jalopnik.com/the-2018-ford-ecosport-titanium-is-a-good-reminder-that-1829502953
My personal hatred is directed at the EcoSport. Ford killed the Fiesta and Focus (and their ST/RS varieties) and puts out what is basically a taller shittier fiesta - https://jalopnik.com/the-2018-ford-ecosport-titanium-is-a-good-reminder-that-1829502953
To be fair, that's a 3.6. The 5.7 would've felt better but we've always had a habit of bolting too much car on to too little engine.
I really don't understand why anyone would purchass a sedan or even SUV from anywhere else than japan or korea nowadays.
Affordable until repairs. European car part costs and time to repair are ludicrous. Overengineered.
Japan is where its at.
Affordable until repairs. European car part costs and time to repair are ludicrous. Overengineered.
Japan is where its at.
It's too bad he didn't kill the tranny, would have made for a better story. I rented a decked out 2019 Grand Cherokee this summer and fell in love with it. The acceleration was great, the handling was great just an all around excellent vehicle. The only thing the model I had lacked was 4 wheel drive. Also rented a Nissan Frontier a few weeks ago fun little truck but steering was tight and the v6 was a little underwhelming.
The 3.6 pentastar is actually relatively brisk if you look at the numbers. It may not feel particularly fast because yeah, it's a 4000lb brick so you don't really get that butt feel. But a 0-60 in the 7ish range isn't terrible given the size of the car.
I have that same engine in an even heavier jeep grand Cherokee. With a drop in dry aem filter and a 93 tune running 93 or even better e85, it does around 7. That is not bad at all for a near 5000lb SUV.
If you need a sub 6 0-60 in a 4 to 5000lb car you pretty much need a v8 or a twin turbo v6.
It's just kind of the reality.
I have that same engine in an even heavier jeep grand Cherokee. With a drop in dry aem filter and a 93 tune running 93 or even better e85, it does around 7. That is not bad at all for a near 5000lb SUV.
If you need a sub 6 0-60 in a 4 to 5000lb car you pretty much need a v8 or a twin turbo v6.
It's just kind of the reality.
Yeah I think some of y'all don't seem to understand that the fact the car weighs 4-5000lbs is a big part of how it feels.
Like obviously a full sized sedan or SUV is going to have a very different feel than a compact.
Like obviously a full sized sedan or SUV is going to have a very different feel than a compact.
I don't know where a 2.0 turbo car is considered shitty.
What's the car you have? VW?
I mean compared to a V6 or V8 big displacement (regardless of how hemi its cylinders are) and I'm comparing it to a 1970s v12 which is even more ridiculous. A4.
I don't exactly think an A4 is considered a dull vehicle. It's a luxury sport sedan with a starting sticker like $10k higher than the base 300.
The 3.6 in the 300 does a 6.3 0-60.
That's really not bad given how large of a car it is. An if you want it faster there's a v8 option.
So really imo this thread is kind of a bad take.
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I dunno why you wold
LOL at how many posts you wrote loling at OP when you were wrong the whole time
LOL at how many posts you wrote loling at OP when you were wrong the whole time
I actually like the 300. I drive like an old person anyway and every time I have gotten a 300 rental, it's been specced better than the typical lot-rot - it's big, comfortable and the trunk is sound-proof, leak-resistant, odor-proof and you can easily snip off the internal emergency escape cable. Besides, when they get weak enough they really stop fussing around in there.
I mean literally every non turbo 4 cyclinder is also inadequate if your standard is a sub 6 second 0-60.
Like it's actually crazy that a sub 7 second 0-60 time is now actually pretty normal.
That's more than adequate and not "underpowered."
Like it's actually crazy that a sub 7 second 0-60 time is now actually pretty normal.
That's more than adequate and not "underpowered."
Exactly. Absolutely boggles my mind that the likes of Chrysler and GM are even still in business.
