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I had to google who Douglas Adams was and nothing about deep thought came up but I did like the movie Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy
Edit oh it was the computer I like the movie but I never read the book
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If the Christian God really did prove himself would that really make some atheist start following him?
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I had to google who Douglas Adams was and nothing about deep thought came up but I did like the movie Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy
Edit oh it was the computer I like the movie but I never read the book
OP's got it twisted. Atheists aren't the ones who are notoriously stubborn about changing their minds when presented with compelling evidence.
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I liked the movie I watch it on Netflix all the time
When I googled him I saw the movie name and figured he was apart of the movie but didn't realize there was a book too
I don't think I ever caught the computers name
what do you mean by "start following him"? worship? I don't see why the existence of a god would chance anything about my life or why I should change it.
So no, I would not follow him. I would acknowledge its existence and move on with my life.
So no, I would not follow him. I would acknowledge its existence and move on with my life.
Imagine the surprise when they find out he is brown. They probably won't believe him when he says he is Jesus.
I'd shoot his great great grandpappy in front of him
WHAT NOW PARADOX BOY?
The better question would be even if gods exist why should we worship them? And if they were to accountable for the mess that is world is in and refuse to do anything to improve things then we need to build some anti-god devices and go JRPG on them.
Yeah I have to say I'm not the kind of guy to get on my knees for anyone. I mean unless he's 165 lbs of lean muscle.
If the Christian god did exist, I think I'd send him a sternly worded letter about giving good people lifelong depression or bone cancer while people like Donald J. Trump Jr. can grin chinlessly while holding a severed elephant's tail for a tasteless picture and then go back to a life of fabulous wealth and privilege.
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I don't think the Bible approves of slavery. I wish I can defend it better. But I don't interpret it as approving it. Call me an idiot or whatever, but that's how I see it.
I also don't appreciate you calling me a slavery supporter either. It's ridiculous that we can get to name-calling. Sad thing, is we probably agree on a majority of issues.
I don't think people who get into religion are "duped". That's kinda discriminatory. Do you think all Jews or Muslims are duped as well?
Even if he proved his existance he would still be a massive asshole. His best feature is that he doesn't actually exist, cause he's such a horrble, evil, vindictive prick that no one should follow.
There is a lot of argument here.
I think the best way to settle this is to make a deal. Given proof of god, atheists will bow down and worship it as suggested. In return, religious people will now stop worshipping their god until that proof is provided.
Agreed? Good. I think that should sort a few things out.
I think the best way to settle this is to make a deal. Given proof of god, atheists will bow down and worship it as suggested. In return, religious people will now stop worshipping their god until that proof is provided.
Agreed? Good. I think that should sort a few things out.
I never called you a slavery supporter. I jokingly took what you were saying about the bible and applied it to yourself, with the idea of jarring you into realizing what you were actually saying. Which was this:
- doesn't directly condemn slavery
- emphasizes heavily on treating people with love
- including your slaves, an institution in doesn't directly condemn
- though it does outline many rules for it, so it doesn't even indirectly condemn it either
i.e. it's approving of that institution. This isn't debatable. The bible unequivocally condones slavery, as has been pointed out to you in numerous other posts that you've ignored.
No one is name calling here. But you said what you said. If you stand by it, accept that people are going to read between the lines regarding your character.
Of course I do. They all worship the same god. All three religions are just different flavors of the same poison.
Saying they were duped isn't "discriminatory" either. Religion isn't something you are, it's something you choose to believe. Unlike your sexuality, it's something you can change at any time. I was duped into the shit myself, it's not an insult.
To follow an organized religion you have to blindly accept what cannot be proven. That's generally not something that rational, intelligent people do. Since there are rational, intelligent people who are religious, I conclude that most of them were duped into it. Just like I was at one point.
Sounds fair to me!
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Nope, because according the divine plan everything that happens is gods will.
It'd be more worrying than anything.
"The invisible, omniscient and all-powerful space wizard is real, you say...? He can read our minds as clearly one can read our web history, you say...? Well... t-that's great!"
You're actually supposed to doubt or challenge what you read or hear.
It feels insulting because it implies only fools have a religion.
Anyways my general understanding is that I get why you don't like it. Christians attack a lot of people. They do terrible things. People are manipulated. A lot of it could sound wrong or stupid with a different mindset.
I think of this more as a people problem than religion. People don't like what they don't understand, fear things that are different from them, dislike change. With or without religion people will still attack LGBTQ rights, women's rights, climate change, etc. Christianity gives them something to hide behind. I don't think it is destroying our institutions. I feel if people were more understanding, empathetic and open-minded we would all get along better through compromise. Christians can obviously suck at this, but so does everyone else.
White people do this with regularity to the police, so this isn't the hard barrier you assumed it was.
That being said, if God was real, I'd had zero reason to follow him as God would be an amoral at best, most likely immoral being, therefore hard pass.
I'll say I wouldn't follow him as he would clearly be either an incompetent god or an evil one given the state of the world.
Odd that about divine will, if humans are supposed to have free will, that means god is not executing any divine will with human interactions. Thus if divine will does intervene in human interactions, we are not actually subject to free will and are just following along to our final destination regardless of our intentions.
...and if more religious people actually did that, there would be way less religious people.
Well, I didn't mean it as a compliment... but it's not saying that only fools have a religion. I explicitly said that it was super easy to get duped into it in this country. Most of us were born into it, we never even had a chance to second guess it until we grew up, and at that point the familial pressure to not rock the boat can be heavy. Again, super easy to get duped into it in this country. It's a tough cycle to get out of.
You're engaging in whataboutism here. "What about everyone else?" Sure, we can talk about them too in their own thread. You're welcome to make it.
Thing is, that "everyone else" didn't lay the discriminatory groundwork that our nation was built upon. Christians did that, and the effects of what they did are still felt to this day. Case in point: there are currently no openly atheist members of congress. Out of those 535 elected officials, do you really think there is not a single non-believer? Of course there are. They have to hide it though, because it would be political suicide to "come out" as atheist here. That's the power of the Christian church in the United States. A country that supposedly keeps religion and government separate.
That's a problem. That's destroying our institutions. Or, at the very least, that's keeping them from progressing.
You're right that people would still attack LGBTQ rights, women's rights, and climate change without religion. There would be less of it though. Unquestionably. Many do indeed use Christianity as a shield to hide their own hateful, destructive feelings, but many others are decent folk who are simply following the word of their god.
It is indeed possible for a Creator/Godhead figure of this world allowing free will to be all loving and of the highest moral caliber. Just because endless torture and murder/rape and systemic injustices exist, that doesn't represent a 1:1 parallel to the nature of the creator of said hypothetical universe. It's a lesser of two evils kind of thing.
If a god provably existed and said there was punishment for not doing what she said, then yeah I'd probably follow her. You don't have to agree with laws to follow them and avoid consequences.
I like this deal a lot.
I would know he exists, but still wouldn't believe in Christianity or Catholicism.
So I'm supposed to believe the all loving God gave up cause it was too hard or got tired. I know you're being facetious but I'm not. Honestly, if God wanted to solve a billion different problems, he could, but he won't and no explanation will ever work because it just makes this loving god into a complete asshole.
Sure. Which would be just another reason not to worship the fucker.
If he proves himself, i will believe he exists yes.
Follow him? Probably, or else i'm going to hell right? Seems like a nice dude
The responses in threads like these are always amazing, because I assume most people here have played The Sims or Sim City at some point and been a truly, truly vile "God" to the CPU in those games.
lol why is it that believers/christians always ask, "would you believe it then if god appeared before you would you change at all?", when they can't even reconcile the now - where god and jesus do not appear at all and they still don't and won't change their beliefs.
Technically yes, but I think of a lot of atheists would question why so much pain and suffering is allowed in the world. I wonder how other religions would react as well, whether they would embrace Jesus or blame him for their religious persecution.
In an odd way I think he might be more accepted as an abstract belief.
In an odd way I think he might be more accepted as an abstract belief.