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If Trump wins re-election while losing by 5 million votes.

Son Goku

Member
Oct 31, 2017
4,146
Uh, he doesn't have a choice in that matter. Secret Service, Police, or Military will escort him out, of necessary. Trump is a scum bag, but he won't allow himself to be dragged out in handcuffs on national television. He'll leave.
Yeah he’ll cry and moan and have plenty of
Chance to say it’s rigged etc but he’ll leave. He’ll just rile people up for next time as he leaves by making them think it’s unjust in some way
 

Xx 720

Member
Nov 3, 2017
2,404
Elizabeth has vowed to break up Amazon. I wonder if she ever stops and thinks how much people don’t want her, or anyone in the government messing around with a service they use on a regular basis? It will straight up cost her votes.
 

JahIthBer

Member
Jan 27, 2018
4,565
Popular vote is irrelevant at this point, it's all about the swing states until something changes, if you want to win you have to focus on that for now, Hillary ignoring Wisconsin to campaign in super blue Chicago wasn't the best move.
 

Mcfrank

Member
Oct 28, 2017
4,943
Popular vote is irrelevant at this point, it's all about the swing states until something changes, if you want to you win you have to focus on that, Hillary ignoring Wisconsin to campaign in super blue Chicago wasn't the best move.
Yep campaigning in WI would have helped just like it did in PA. Oh wait.
 

JahIthBer

Member
Jan 27, 2018
4,565
Yep campaigning in WI would have helped just like it did in PA. Oh wait.
She only campaigned there at the last second & brought out the big guns with Obama & Beyonce, it was clear at that point internal polling showed PA flipping red.
Internal polling is very interesting, which is probably why Trump is in New Mexico & Minnesota & why Dems should start campaigning there too in 2020, don't be complacent for the love of god.
 

bickieditches

Member
Aug 5, 2018
64
Where are the poll results that show Trump and his policies have the approval of the majority of Americans? In what practical sense does he represent America, when he's despised by anyone who's not an idiot?
Seriously? What bubble do you live in man? He has high disapproval ratings (although not nearly high enough given his behavior), but you seriously can't imagine Republicans flocking to him when the time comes? Why do you continue to have faith in them to finally do the right thing...
 

Rendering...

Member
Oct 30, 2017
9,247
Seriously? What bubble do you live in man? He has high disapproval ratings (although not nearly high enough given his behavior), but you seriously can't imagine Republicans flocking to him when the time comes? Why do you continue to have faith in them to finally do the right thing...
Seems like you're talking about a completely separate issue than I am. The post I responded to said "Trump is America," which makes zero sense if he's unpopular and the majority don't share his views.

I have no doubt that the party of vile opportunists will try to bully and cheat their way to victory. But if we had a democracy that actually represented the will of the people, the GOP would have been frozen out decades ago.
 

Mcfrank

Member
Oct 28, 2017
4,943
She only campaigned there at the last second & brought out the big guns with Obama & Beyonce, it was clear at that point internal polling showed PA flipping red.
Internal polling is very interesting, which is probably why Trump is in New Mexico & Minnesota & why Dems should start campaigning there too in 2020, don't be complacent for the love of god.
Incorrect, though I am sure facts won’t stop people from continuing to say it.

 

JahIthBer

Member
Jan 27, 2018
4,565
Incorrect, though I am sure facts won’t stop people from continuing to say it.

It's correct, Clinton rallies tended to be really really small events, like 50 people sometimes, Trump made every rally a big event & drew crowds in the tens of thousands, only in the last few days did Clinton realise she might need to do this in PA as well to drum up interest.
She didn't run the strongest campaign.
 

Blue Skies

Member
Mar 27, 2019
3,965
Elizabeth has vowed to break up Amazon. I wonder if she ever stops and thinks how much people don’t want her, or anyone in the government messing around with a service they use on a regular basis? It will straight up cost her votes.
It doesn’t mean amazon would cease to exist
It just means that this combination:
Online retailer
Supermarket
Web service
Should be split up into at least those 3 divisions.
 

danm999

Member
Oct 29, 2017
6,134
Sydney

Brakke

Member
Oct 27, 2017
3,337
You need a constitutional amendment for that. With how much the GOP controls the senate, it's practically impossible. If the Electoral college is taken out, there will never be a Republican president ever again.
Not exactly true. Someone wearing an R would ascend eventually. But the party would have to cobble together a new coalition.
 

GameAddict411

Member
Oct 26, 2017
2,090
Not exactly true. Someone wearing an R would ascend eventually. But the party would have to cobble together a new coalition.
I was definitely saying with respect to the Republican party today. Things could definitely change, and that could definitely make the GOP more viable. But the same could be said about the Democrats.
 

cjbenny

Member
Oct 29, 2017
61
Honest question to folks here. Should this scenario actually play out, how would you react? Because at that point, I feel like I'll have lost faith with both this country and humanity. I'm trying to be hopeful that if we play our cards right, we'll get him out but seeing the obsessive diehard support that buffoon gets from so many people makes it hard to feel hopeful sometimes.
 

digdug2k

Member
Mar 28, 2018
709
Yeah he’ll cry and moan and have plenty of
Chance to say it’s rigged etc but he’ll leave. He’ll just rile people up for next time as he leaves by making them think it’s unjust in some way
I'm not a "he'll never leave" person usually, but I wouldn't be surprised if he claims it was rigged and he and the Senate claims "we can't certify these results until we've investigated" and everyone takes him seriously and it winds up jumping around in the courts for 4 more years.

Like, I wouldn't be totally in shock if that happened. I'd cry a little every night at the stupidity of the whole thing, but I wouldn't be surprised.
 

Beer Monkey

Member
Oct 30, 2017
4,411
The way turnout is going (yes, in swing states like MI, WI, PA as well) there's close to zero percent chance of this happening.

Now, securing the actual election systems...
 

T002 Tyrant

Member
Nov 8, 2018
1,567
That's nothing, just wait until after his second term when he declares a state of emergency and forces through law that a president can have as many terms as they want, and appoint a family member an heir to the presidency, then orders a throne of skulls from Amazon. 😉

The electoral college system is so fucked up. I mean UKs isn't great but the US it's clearly designed to be one sided imo.
 

butzopower

Member
Oct 27, 2017
986
London
If this happens, can’t really blame people for feeling like their vote is pointless and not voting the next time. Obviously what they want to happen, but still.
 
Nov 6, 2017
8,292
Los Angeles
Everytime I hear people whining about Trump not winning the popular vote I roll my eyes. He did a ton of campaign rallies in swing states, Hillary did less of that. The swing states came out for him. If he needed the popular vote to win he probably wouldn't have done it that way.

People want to abolish the electoral college because that would be be bad for republicans then complain about the system being rigged, fucking hypocrites would rig it so hard in their favour if they could.

I dunno maybe flyover country doesn't want to be powerless and dictated to by the shit stained, electricity deprived inferno of homelessness that is Utopian California.

If we had a popular vote instead of electoral vote, the agricultural states with small populations would simply be ignored because it wouldn't be necessary to listen to their concerns. Very democratic.

Also worth pointing out that winning the electoral vote but losing the popular vote has happened a whopping 4 times in the last 2 centuries and that even if 2016 was a popular vote election, Clinton would not have had a plurality of votes
Found the Trump supporter
 

tsampikos

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
2,110
Red/Blue bastions dont matter in the college system

Only votes in swing states matter

This isnt a true democracy where interests are proportionately represented
 

Ac30

Member
Oct 30, 2017
12,364
London
The breakup of the US into blue states vs red states is coming. This is unsustainable.

What you're seeing is a nation outgrowing representative democracy.
This is why I never want to see the EU become a federal state. Concentration of power in Brussels would be unhealthy for democracy.

Communal defense would be just fine, thanks
 

Ac30

Member
Oct 30, 2017
12,364
London
Everytime I hear people whining about Trump not winning the popular vote I roll my eyes. He did a ton of campaign rallies in swing states, Hillary did less of that. The swing states came out for him. If he needed the popular vote to win he probably wouldn't have done it that way.

People want to abolish the electoral college because that would be be bad for republicans then complain about the system being rigged, fucking hypocrites would rig it so hard in their favour if they could.

I dunno maybe flyover country doesn't want to be powerless and dictated to by the shit stained, electricity deprived inferno of homelessness that is Utopian California.

Every state already gets 2 Senators and small states have an advantage in House seat allocation.

All the EC is doing is entrenching minority rule.

seems you’ve got quite the bone to pick with commiefornia though
 

crazyfunster

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,742
The breakup of the US into blue states vs red states is coming. This is unsustainable.

What you're seeing is a nation outgrowing representative democracy.
It won't be so neat. Do you think the people of say, Milwaukee or Raleigh would take it if they got dragged into a full-on Jesusland where they'd never have rights? Rural Californians would never accept the same. You'd see civil wars within the states in such a scenario, or at best, such an internal refugee crisis that would make the aftermath of the Greeks and Turks in WWI look like a weekend holiday.

If it got to this point, the US would be Syria on Steroids, Americans are quite good at violence.

We gotta realize, the only way we get out of this mess is to win at the polls constantly vs the billionaires and boomers- this is our only hope. We're going to have to crush them, and wipe their ideology out of electoral relevance before they wipe us out of existence.
The first step is to takeover the Dems, and that means beating the Bidens, Buttigiegs, and Billionaires of the world. (The Billionaires made it clear last night they'll side with Trump even if they hate him)
 

Jegriva

Member
Sep 23, 2019
1,188
I am expecting that, if Democrats won, they fucking remove the Electoral College.

It would have to be a Constitutional amendment.

Edit: The easier path would be to make it irrelevant by enough states pledging their electors to the winner of the national popular vote. If it doesn't get shot down by the Supreme Court.
If you can't kill it, make it irrelevant.
 
Oct 25, 2017
1,223
because a person's vote in the state of Iowa for example is worth 100x more than a person's vote in New York.
The skew is nowhere near that much, it’s limited by the smaller states being capped at 3 EC votes, and those aren’t the states you want to use to make that point (you want a 3 EC vote state like WY or DC and a state that’s just shy of the tipping point to get another congressional district, last time I ran the numbers, it was VA IIRC.)
 

Tence

Member
Oct 30, 2017
1,985
Bu-bu-but Resetera told me Trump can't win!!! That Trump was losing support even from his base!
The previous forum told me Trump couldn't win the Republican candicacy. When he did they told me it was an actual good thing because he would never win the presidential elections.

So yeah I am pretty much convinced there is a big chance the US is stuck with that cunt for another 4 years. Although it goes without saying that I will be overjoyed if I am wrong.
 

sapien85

Member
Nov 8, 2017
3,178
because then you have a few really populated areas speaking for the whole country. This means that those people would mostly care about things happening in their areas.
Except the popular vote and electoral college have gone to the same person almost every time and the vote of someone in a tiny state and a giant one would be completely equal which it isn't now.
 

jrush64

Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,690
I said this earlier, I have so little faith in america that this is what i feel will happen.
 

sapien85

Member
Nov 8, 2017
3,178
Everytime I hear people whining about Trump not winning the popular vote I roll my eyes. He did a ton of campaign rallies in swing states, Hillary did less of that. The swing states came out for him. If he needed the popular vote to win he probably wouldn't have done it that way.

People want to abolish the electoral college because that would be be bad for republicans then complain about the system being rigged, fucking hypocrites would rig it so hard in their favour if they could.

I dunno maybe flyover country doesn't want to be powerless and dictated to by the shit stained, electricity deprived inferno of homelessness that is Utopian California.

If we had a popular vote instead of electoral vote, the agricultural states with small populations would simply be ignored because it wouldn't be necessary to listen to their concerns. Very democratic.

Also worth pointing out that winning the electoral vote but losing the popular vote has happened a whopping 4 times in the last 2 centuries and that even if 2016 was a popular vote election, Clinton would not have had a plurality of votes
2 of those times have been in the last 20 years. Why does it matter at all if it was only twice in the 180 years before that when there's a good chance for it to happen every election from now into the future for a long.

Also, how much is it helping those flyover states when they continue to remain behind the shit stained inferno in almost every positive statistic?

Bottom 10 states in education all smaller red states in the middle or south (9 out 10 least college degree having states voted for Trump), same with lowest life expectancy (the lowest 16 states voted for Trump), same with poorest (9 out of 10 lowest gdp per capita states voted for Trump), same with unemployment level (9 out of 10 states voted for Trump) so how well is the electoral college actually helping these states?