Yeah he'll cry and moan and have plenty of
Chance to say it's rigged etc but he'll leave. He'll just rile people up for next time as he leaves by making them think it's unjust in some way
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If Trump wins re-election while losing by 5 million votes.
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Chance to say it's rigged etc but he'll leave. He'll just rile people up for next time as he leaves by making them think it's unjust in some way
because a person's vote in the state of Iowa for example is worth 100x more than a person's vote in New York.
Where are the poll results that show Trump and his policies have the approval of the majority of Americans? In what practical sense does he represent America, when he's despised by anyone who's not an idiot?
You need a constitutional amendment for that. With how much the GOP controls the senate, it's practically impossible. If the Electoral college is taken out, there will never be a Republican president ever again.
Yep campaigning in WI would have helped just like it did in PA. Oh wait.
She only campaigned there at the last second & brought out the big guns with Obama & Beyonce, it was clear at that point internal polling showed PA flipping red.
Internal polling is very interesting, which is probably why Trump is in New Mexico & Minnesota & why Dems should start campaigning there too in 2020, don't be complacent for the love of god.
Seriously? What bubble do you live in man? He has high disapproval ratings (although not nearly high enough given his behavior), but you seriously can't imagine Republicans flocking to him when the time comes? Why do you continue to have faith in them to finally do the right thing...
Seems like you're talking about a completely separate issue than I am. The post I responded to said "Trump is America," which makes zero sense if he's unpopular and the majority don't share his views.
I have no doubt that the party of vile opportunists will try to bully and cheat their way to victory. But if we had a democracy that actually represented the will of the people, the GOP would have been frozen out decades ago.
Incorrect, though I am sure facts won't stop people from continuing to say it.
It's correct, Clinton rallies tended to be really really small events, like 50 people sometimes, Trump made every rally a big event & drew crowds in the tens of thousands, only in the last few days did Clinton realise she might need to do this in PA as well to drum up interest.
She didn't run the strongest campaign.
It doesn't mean amazon would cease to exist
It just means that this combination:
Online retailer
Supermarket
Web service
Should be split up into at least those 3 divisions.
Agreeing 9n amending the constitution requires voting people In over multiple cycles
Most recent polling I can find
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Not exactly true. Someone wearing an R would ascend eventually. But the party would have to cobble together a new coalition.
I was definitely saying with respect to the Republican party today. Things could definitely change, and that could definitely make the GOP more viable. But the same could be said about the Democrats.
The Constitution is a living, breathing document. It is not "impossible" to change and it has been ammended over 25 times.
Honest question to folks here. Should this scenario actually play out, how would you react? Because at that point, I feel like I'll have lost faith with both this country and humanity. I'm trying to be hopeful that if we play our cards right, we'll get him out but seeing the obsessive diehard support that buffoon gets from so many people makes it hard to feel hopeful sometimes.
this is not true. black people had no vote whatsoever when the US constitution was written..
I'm expecting this to happen if Trump wins again. The majority of people hate him.
(it's been amended fewer than 20 "times." one of which undid another. and the 11th doesn't count because it doesn't mean what it says.)
Even on election day in 2016 Trump had low approval ratings. Democrats need a candidate that will unite them.
I'm not a "he'll never leave" person usually, but I wouldn't be surprised if he claims it was rigged and he and the Senate claims "we can't certify these results until we've investigated" and everyone takes him seriously and it winds up jumping around in the courts for 4 more years.
Like, I wouldn't be totally in shock if that happened. I'd cry a little every night at the stupidity of the whole thing, but I wouldn't be surprised.
After Donald himself? Fat chance that they're going to win.
The way turnout is going (yes, in swing states like MI, WI, PA as well) there's close to zero percent chance of this happening.
Now, securing the actual election systems...
Now, securing the actual election systems...
That's nothing, just wait until after his second term when he declares a state of emergency and forces through law that a president can have as many terms as they want, and appoint a family member an heir to the presidency, then orders a throne of skulls from Amazon. 😉
The electoral college system is so fucked up. I mean UKs isn't great but the US it's clearly designed to be one sided imo.
The electoral college system is so fucked up. I mean UKs isn't great but the US it's clearly designed to be one sided imo.
If this happens, can't really blame people for feeling like their vote is pointless and not voting the next time. Obviously what they want to happen, but still.
God dammit next gen is 2020 as well. It is going to be an absolutely miserable year
Americans have hilarious short term memory. Ivanka could run and people will have all but forgot any of the terrible things Trump has done. Matter of fact media will help deify him, and use softened words to describe his Presidency. America has done it time and time again.
So how would you get 2/3rds of Congress to pass it and which 38 states will agree to ratify it?
This is why I never want to see the EU become a federal state. Concentration of power in Brussels would be unhealthy for democracy.
Communal defense would be just fine, thanks
Every state already gets 2 Senators and small states have an advantage in House seat allocation.
All the EC is doing is entrenching minority rule.
seems you've got quite the bone to pick with commiefornia though
It won't be so neat. Do you think the people of say, Milwaukee or Raleigh would take it if they got dragged into a full-on Jesusland where they'd never have rights? Rural Californians would never accept the same. You'd see civil wars within the states in such a scenario, or at best, such an internal refugee crisis that would make the aftermath of the Greeks and Turks in WWI look like a weekend holiday.
If it got to this point, the US would be Syria on Steroids, Americans are quite good at violence.
We gotta realize, the only way we get out of this mess is to win at the polls constantly vs the billionaires and boomers- this is our only hope. We're going to have to crush them, and wipe their ideology out of electoral relevance before they wipe us out of existence.
The first step is to takeover the Dems, and that means beating the Bidens, Buttigiegs, and Billionaires of the world. (The Billionaires made it clear last night they'll side with Trump even if they hate him)
I am expecting that, if Democrats won, they fucking remove the Electoral College.
If you can't kill it, make it irrelevant.
If you can't kill it, make it irrelevant.
The skew is nowhere near that much, it's limited by the smaller states being capped at 3 EC votes, and those aren't the states you want to use to make that point (you want a 3 EC vote state like WY or DC and a state that's just shy of the tipping point to get another congressional district, last time I ran the numbers, it was VA IIRC.)
The previous forum told me Trump couldn't win the Republican candicacy. When he did they told me it was an actual good thing because he would never win the presidential elections.
So yeah I am pretty much convinced there is a big chance the US is stuck with that cunt for another 4 years. Although it goes without saying that I will be overjoyed if I am wrong.
because then you have a few really populated areas speaking for the whole country. This means that those people would mostly care about things happening in their areas.
Except the popular vote and electoral college have gone to the same person almost every time and the vote of someone in a tiny state and a giant one would be completely equal which it isn't now.
I'm sure he will win I would all my money on him.
Americans have the ilusion they live in a Democracy and have freedom. The system is well done for 99% believe on that buying the next gimmick or leasing a new car.
2 of those times have been in the last 20 years. Why does it matter at all if it was only twice in the 180 years before that when there's a good chance for it to happen every election from now into the future for a long.
Also, how much is it helping those flyover states when they continue to remain behind the shit stained inferno in almost every positive statistic?
Bottom 10 states in education all smaller red states in the middle or south (9 out 10 least college degree having states voted for Trump), same with lowest life expectancy (the lowest 16 states voted for Trump), same with poorest (9 out of 10 lowest gdp per capita states voted for Trump), same with unemployment level (9 out of 10 states voted for Trump) so how well is the electoral college actually helping these states?