If you were an employer, would you hire a Trump supporter?
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An interesting question.
I guess if they were truly the best candidate for the job AND were able to keep their opinions to themselves I would consider it, but only if they had an amicable personality.
The biggest concern is that it could cause unease and disruption at work so it would be important that everyone is comfortable with each other.
In most places, though, people don't have the luxury to make hiring decisions based on politcal alignment. Maybe that is an important aspect of their worldview but you never really know a person until you get to know them, right?
I guess if they were truly the best candidate for the job AND were able to keep their opinions to themselves I would consider it, but only if they had an amicable personality.
The biggest concern is that it could cause unease and disruption at work so it would be important that everyone is comfortable with each other.
In most places, though, people don't have the luxury to make hiring decisions based on politcal alignment. Maybe that is an important aspect of their worldview but you never really know a person until you get to know them, right?
As long as they don't discriminate against them, I guess it's not an issue.
If they are publicly sharing racist/sexist trump tweets, that may actually have an impact on your office. Or talk about how Trump is doing great things in the office. Yes, we're actually at a point where publicly supporting the president means you yourself are fine with racism and misogyny. Other people in the office aren't going to be ok with that.
It's weird and I wish they didn't do it, but every time we have a prospect come in for an interview, my coworkers are already looking them up online.
Unfortunately, if one of them was a Trump supporter, I doubt some of them would mind.
Your self imposed titles do not make you the authority on my life, at work or otherwise, no matter how highly you think of yourself or what you feel you're an expert in. Some people just get along and don't hate each other based on assumptions. This also has nothing to do with bragging, I'm simply sharing my thoughts on the topic of this thread.
Some wouldn't but some would. This isn't the same level as supporting bush or any past GOP president. Trump openly doesn't even bother with dog whistling anymore. To me if they are publicly supporting trump it's not worth the potential office drama.
Political beliefs are the true discrimination if you haven't heard. I learned this from the many Sanders denied her dinner threads/posts.
I am so glad the overwhelming tone of this thread is "Fuck no".
Because you know damn well that if the situation was reversed then the Trump goons would rather hire other bigots than hire "SJWs" and have to work alongside actual decent human beings.
You people saying "oh but it doesn't matter guys! One big family at work! Keep politics out is what I say!" are at BEST woefully naive.
Because you know damn well that if the situation was reversed then the Trump goons would rather hire other bigots than hire "SJWs" and have to work alongside actual decent human beings.
You people saying "oh but it doesn't matter guys! One big family at work! Keep politics out is what I say!" are at BEST woefully naive.
Yeah, but when it comes down to it, I feel like my managers are more like some of the people in this thread saying "well if they keep it to themselves". I'd LOVE to be wrong about that, but I've made threads about their racist bullshit in the past. And those are supposed to be our "allies".
Well yeah, if they do actually keep it to themselves then no one would no about it.
I'm saying if they are sharing Trump support publicly with no privacy filters, or accepting friend invites from coworkers and not scrubbing their shit, then they aren't keeping it to themselves.
If they aren't doing that and they don't openly talk about it then you wouldn't know they are a trump supporter.
Take it easy. You posted some lame rah rah corporate PR speak and got mildly tweaked for it. Not a big deal.
They're free to work elsewhere then. As the boss it isnt any of my business who my employees support, and its not their coworkers. If they do their job and do it well thats all I care about.
I really can’t think of an interview scenario where this wouldn’t be something they intentionally disclose. I don’t ask about this in hiring interviews, and despite some of the political realities of my industry, my questions are entirely technical. So, unless your answer to “how would I go about setting up SSO for a 3rd party service” is “i’ll make Mexico pay for the firewall”, I would have no idea. And if you did answer that way, I will send you to do desktop support for the research sceintists.
Not in a million years; I would also quietly black list them to every other person I knew who was in a position to hire them. Fuck those people, all of them.
If businesses have the freedom to discriminate against gay clientele, I can discriminate against hiring fascists. #MAGA, right?
Ah so if someone objects to a co-worker supporting racism and misogyny they should leave but not the person who supports racism and misogyny. Makes total sense.
Don't worry, we'll just point out they're too dense for the job.
To be clear: to me republicans are okay (sorta), but Trumpism is just fascism that is too hypocrite and coward to actually be honest about their intentions. At the base, trumpists are too dense (or just plain fascist) to stop supporting him.
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Nah at will employment. Most people aren't dumb enough to say they're not hiring someone because of their race/gender/sexuality/political beliefs. We'll give the good old "not a good cultural fit." excuse ;)
Must be a nice ship you run there. Fun times. Personally, if I had a boss who knowingly hired a Trump supporter (someone who this day, by this point, still supports Trump), I would quit.
I don't work in HR, so I don't know the legalities of these things, but if a white supremacist wanted a job at a Jewish or Muslim person's bakery, would the bakery owner be obligated to hire them according to these laws you speak of?
At this point, Trump supporters are either haters, or people who are willing to tolerate hatefulness if it achieves their personal ends. I can't see how in any sane contemporary workplace that such a person would be considered a good fit.
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Nah.
I'd rather not create a negative work environment for my staff. Living in New York city, they'd get their ass chewed out.
A kid once came into my workplace with a MAGA hat on, we ALL gave him the eye and he felt it.
I'd rather not create a negative work environment for my staff. Living in New York city, they'd get their ass chewed out.
A kid once came into my workplace with a MAGA hat on, we ALL gave him the eye and he felt it.
I mean the Nazis didn’t become Nazis only after they killed Jews in Concentration Camps
You made the baseless comment about my fellow employees that I addressed. I'm neither tweaked or feel it's a big deal. Though I'm not looking to carry on conversation with people that can't do so without resorting to insults, so if you can't do so, don't expect me to engage you anymore. If you want to carry out rational and mature conversation, we can do so.
They're free to find a new employer if they want. Either way it seems I have find a replacement, train them in, and then see a hit on my areas productivity while they get up to speed which would be annoying at best. Id rather not lose either of them and not have to go through all the hassles.
Nah, conversations with people who take themselves so seriously are rarely rational. Enjoy your time with your family!
I interview people for Analyst level positions in my company and my feedback to HR basically gets them the job offer.
If I ever asked a candidate about their political beliefs and HR got to know about it, I would be instantly fired.
Politics is taboo at my workplace. I literally don't know how any of my closest colleagues voted because politics is just completed frowned upon.
If I ever asked a candidate about their political beliefs and HR got to know about it, I would be instantly fired.
Politics is taboo at my workplace. I literally don't know how any of my closest colleagues voted because politics is just completed frowned upon.
I mean, if you ever talked with one of your coworkers about something not work related, it's not THAT hard to tell.
I mean, there's your coworker that keeps things vague and says "it was good" when you ask how was your weekend, and then there's your coworker that makes wall jokes or general comments that are off.
There's your coworker that says "I hate the way X talks about women" and then there's your coworker that makes the jokes about women.
The way they comment on news stories.
How they stories about people of different races (my office loves the word hood to describe black people).
I doubt your work place is as apolitical as you think it is.
At which point you can come down on them hard and get some good publicity out of it.
I guess, as a counterpoint to the question in the OP: How would someone make a claim that they were not hired because they were a Trump supporter?
I'm throwing away any cases of blatant "I'm not hiring you because you love Trump", since that would likely not happen in any but the most incompetent situations.
But in a real situation where a person who walked into an interview (say, wearing a MAGA hat) is told "No, we don't feel you're the right candidate for this position" in a follow up call, how exactly would they press charges?
Just curious how it would play out. How can MAGAs protect themselves and make a case? I ask because it's hard enough for people facing legit issues like racism, sexism, and so on, to prove to courts that there was bias in the hiring process. So who is going to give an asshat clown in a red hat the time of day?
I'm not saying it can't happen, just wondering at how incredulous the whole thing would be, and what it would take for such a case to gain traction.
I'm throwing away any cases of blatant "I'm not hiring you because you love Trump", since that would likely not happen in any but the most incompetent situations.
But in a real situation where a person who walked into an interview (say, wearing a MAGA hat) is told "No, we don't feel you're the right candidate for this position" in a follow up call, how exactly would they press charges?
Just curious how it would play out. How can MAGAs protect themselves and make a case? I ask because it's hard enough for people facing legit issues like racism, sexism, and so on, to prove to courts that there was bias in the hiring process. So who is going to give an asshat clown in a red hat the time of day?
I'm not saying it can't happen, just wondering at how incredulous the whole thing would be, and what it would take for such a case to gain traction.
Depends on how the law was written. I don't think white supremacy is a protected political belief here.
Oh I remember you now. You're the guy who posted this shit nugget:
Its the TC, of course they are. Most normal people would have fucking shot the damned thing and moved on with their day. But this one does something special, it climbs! Ooooh! Im sure theyll name it, give it a day, and then cry when it falls to its death. Maybe if we're lucky it'll take a pidgeon or two with it.
Fuck raccoons. Disease infested vermin that dont deserve anything more than bullet.
Ignore. Thanks. Can't even be bothered to edit that nonsense huh.
It is mostly white people (I am a minority) so I guess they play nice. But it's pretty much NJ NY people so I would imagine they are all pretty liberal.
But I must say it is surprisingly collegial and apolitical. There's a ton of 'How was your weekend' and it's always went here or saw this. Political stories are mentioned only in so far as they impact our industry (like the ACA repeal was discussed widely but not in a partisan way).
At one of our user conferences an external speaker while discussing labor laws expressed preference for one party over another and his contract was ended immideately after the event.
Our CEO has never sent us any message about politics at all.
I think it is kinda remarkably apolitical. I feel I have a keen ear for politics and there is indeed none.
But lots of internal politics lol. Just people relentlessly jockeying for power.
If they're super qualified? Then screw it, sure.
Though I'd have HR keep a close eye on them. At least for the first couple weeks.
Yeah, I mean that's pretty much what institutionalized corporate is like. For all the look of being apolitical, basically they are dens for normalizing the shittiest of characters, so this isn't a huge surprise.
Depending on the state you live in, not really. You'd also get hit with a lawsuit for not hiring a qualified gay person if it was solely because they're gay and that can be proven.
And I’m sure all they did was hire a few more white women, a couple with some spicy names, and keep it moving.
I would not refuse to hire someone for supporting Trump, even though I feel that he is basically Hitler, no. Fortunately, I work in fundraising for higher education, which is an area which has basically zero percent crossover with Trump supporters. And as others have said, if they support Trump, they're also likely to be demonstrably stupid in enough other areas that it would be hard to recommend a hire regardless of political affiliation. There's not a lot of highly-intelligent extremely-qualified individuals out there supporting Trump who don't already own their own oil refineries or whatever.
I actually am in charge of hiring for my department. Currently have Republicans, Democrats, and Libertarians working for me (as discovered via water cooler talk). We all get along great, get our shit done, and enjoy each other’s company. We also have a mix of sex and race.
So sure - I’ll hire any political view. Its my understanding that it’s against to law to ask that during an interview. So I don’t give a shit. If they’re a terrible person, Indiana is an at-will state. So...
So sure - I’ll hire any political view. Its my understanding that it’s against to law to ask that during an interview. So I don’t give a shit. If they’re a terrible person, Indiana is an at-will state. So...
Actually in 16 states employers can discriminate based on sexual orientation without any consequences. http://www.lgbtmap.org/equality-maps/non_discrimination_laws
Edit: disregard as a response to anything but still useful info.
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Can't speak for all the hires, but I know 2 of them were Yemeni women.
People need to stop assuming stuff about things they know nothing about.
That's why I said depending on the state.
Really, because I know that virtually all diversity initiatives either don’t have a real effect on the actual diversity or in Google’s case actually accelerated the lack of diversity. They usually collapse because they are led by people like your brother in law.
So he hired a couple of Yemeni women. Big whoop. I’d love to see the office culture of a Trump supporting VP and see if it’s as friendly to minorities as you seem to believe.
I’m betting it ain’t.
Ah sorry I misread your post as the first sentence not dealing with sexual orientation discrimination.
I've been there. Minorities outnumber the white men at this point. I just don't know what the makeup of the most recent diversity push was beyond the two Yemeni women.
Again, you're making a lot of assumptions about things you know nothing about.
I can't imagine why being a Trump supporter would come up in a job interview in the first place.
