There was more black slaves on plantations than white men. Doesn’t make it a pleasant place to be.
If you were an employer, would you hire a Trump supporter?
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Sounds like you'd actually be a terrible boss. Can't believe people are agreeing with denying employment based on political views. Next you'll probably stop hiring based on religion if you don't share their views as well.
So you wouldn't be mad if your company dropped because of your bias views right? I mean you're hiring practices are illegal and you should be removed asap. Their work ethic has nothing to do with your agenda, if they're rowdy in the workplace then you can fire at will in most states anyway.
I focus on results. I get the results and have people around me that help get the job done. I have no problem selecting good professionals. If you are wearing a MAGA hat, you can rest assured that I am not hiring you.
Simple as that.
The bolded is illegal.
Political views are not protected in the vast majority of American jurisdictions.
Being a "Trump Supporter" is not a protected class, nor is it a political view. You are incorrect.
One side is literally kidnapping babies. Do the tiniest bit of critical thinking here.
Being biased against hatred is not a bad thing, you (I hope) wouldn't hire a person who walked in with a klan hood on or wearing a swastika armband.
You can not and should not fire someone solely for having political beliefs.
However, if I know about your political beliefs during the interview process, that's a bad sign on its own. I'm not asking, and I'm not supposed to know. If you can't even keep it in your pants through the interview process, this stuff is going to come up ALL THE TIME in the workplace, and that's not a smart hire regardless of their beliefs or who they supported in X election. I need to know that you know how to keep a lid on it at least until you've figured out where the other person stands.
My main exception to this is being pro-equality / pro-diversity, because in a professional environment I actually DO need to explicitly know that you're going to play nice. We have people of many races, religions, genders, and sexuality in the workforce. It's nice to hear verbal confirmation that someone is open to working with a diverse crowd, because I need to know that our work environment will be a comfortable one. Hell, to me this isn't even really the realm of politics, this is basic decency.
EDIT: Also, "can't/shouldn't fire for political beliefs" doesn't cover when people do heinous shit outside the workplace that reflects poorly on us. At that point you're being fired for actions.
However, if I know about your political beliefs during the interview process, that's a bad sign on its own. I'm not asking, and I'm not supposed to know. If you can't even keep it in your pants through the interview process, this stuff is going to come up ALL THE TIME in the workplace, and that's not a smart hire regardless of their beliefs or who they supported in X election. I need to know that you know how to keep a lid on it at least until you've figured out where the other person stands.
My main exception to this is being pro-equality / pro-diversity, because in a professional environment I actually DO need to explicitly know that you're going to play nice. We have people of many races, religions, genders, and sexuality in the workforce. It's nice to hear verbal confirmation that someone is open to working with a diverse crowd, because I need to know that our work environment will be a comfortable one. Hell, to me this isn't even really the realm of politics, this is basic decency.
EDIT: Also, "can't/shouldn't fire for political beliefs" doesn't cover when people do heinous shit outside the workplace that reflects poorly on us. At that point you're being fired for actions.
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The debateable part
Everything is political.
Is hate speech an action? If we go on to see the likely existence of racist, anti-LGBT sentiments in their social media, is this the heinous shit being done outside of the workplace that you mention, or has the magic protective spell of “these are political views” been cast on these items?
What if the person supports a National Socialist party?
The problem with Trumpets is that the idea of “I don’t believe certain people should be treated equally, but I promise not to act on that while I’m working for you” isn’t fucking good enough for me or my customers. Discrimination happens at the lowest levels too and you can’t expect that you would just know when it’s happening.
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I guess I was thinking more along the line of, if the person doesn't sit and spew his political views everywhere then they should have a fair chance in the hiring process. If the person shows up with a MAGA hat to the interview or constantly openly displays their political views and opinions then that should be a red flag (obviously).
Yea just searched it, I guess I expected something like that to be in place.
I don't ask political views when I'm hiring and I would expect people to wear business casual attire during interviews so any political clothing would stand out in a negative way.
It depends on what field of work we're talking about. The more the job requires interaction with a big group of people, the less i would be willing to accept a trump supporter.
Now, in an ideal world I would deny any job to every Trump supporter, but as someone who did have the unfortunate experience to be denied a job for reasons I am not responsible for, I don't want to continue this trend, hence why I would limit this act to social/government jobs
Now, in an ideal world I would deny any job to every Trump supporter, but as someone who did have the unfortunate experience to be denied a job for reasons I am not responsible for, I don't want to continue this trend, hence why I would limit this act to social/government jobs
For the states where you can't discriminate based on political views, there has to be a limit to that?
What if the person you hire is a member of a recognized hate group?
What if the person you hire is a member of a recognized hate group?
they said and I quote:
"They're free to work elsewhere then."
if the current employees don't feel comfortable with a new hire being hostile to the fact that they even exist, they should be the ones to go, not the brand new bigoted asshole.
not caring about your current employees and telling them to essentially fuck off and go somewhere else if they feel uncomfortable with a person is a sigh of a horrible boss and a boss who should never have even made it to that position.
I think it's interesting to consider what we believe a Trump supporter to be and what many actually are. Many Trump supporters (if not most) aren't the type to wear their political identity on their sleeve. I think it's easy to think that all Trump supporters are openly hateful, but that simply isn't the case. For a lot of people, supporting Trump is a power fantasy come to life.
That said, to say not hiring a Trump supporter is simply an issue about political beliefs is disingenuous. It's mostly a moral and character issue.
That said, to say not hiring a Trump supporter is simply an issue about political beliefs is disingenuous. It's mostly a moral and character issue.
Fucking absolutely it is. How could it not be?
How the fuck is a trans woman supposed to be comfortable working in the building with someone who goes on Facebook and Twitter and harasses trans people and raves about how they all have mental illnesses (as an example)?
Look, let me rephrase this since apparently my stance got twisted all the way into nazi sympathy in a single post: I don't want to know who you voted for, and I don't give a shit about your opinions on economic policy or foreign policy or taxes or education. I DEFINITELY shouldn't find that stuff out during an interview process regardless of your beliefs, for incredibly obvious reasons. I do not consider issues of human equality to be political, and explicitly stated that I consider that an exception to discussion on politics. Social equality is nonpolitical to me, it's just basic decency. You disagree semantically? Fine. Doesn't change the fact that bigotry doesn't fly at my station.
The question posed by the topic is "would you hire a Trump supporter", not "would you fire a nazi". I answered the former question, not the latter.
I wouldn't hire someone who made me aware they were a Trump supporter during the interview process, not because of who they supported but because you have to be hyperpolitical to bring that stuff up during job interviews and that's the kind of person I don't want around.
If you instead want to ask me "would you fire a nazi", I'd take their security card and ID myself and smile the whole time.
Goddamn, let's just jump all the way to "SO ARE YOU COOL WITH NAZIS" immediately.
The OP asked if you magically knew said personal was a Trump supporter, would you hire them. They didn't tell you, you didn't ask, you just knew.
I mean, if someone started banging on about politics in an interview unbidden, that would be odd. But it wasn't the question posed.
I mean, if someone started banging on about politics in an interview unbidden, that would be odd. But it wasn't the question posed.
Yeah healthcare too there's basically zero conservatives. I assume they work in the for profit sector where stories abound of places for example refusing to change your grandma's bedsheets to save money on laundry at the rest home. Yup that's a thing. And there's much worse.
Going against all the edge comments in here, I don't like trump either as a president but just because someone has a different opinion than you politically, doesn't mean they aren't the best person for the job.
Saying anything otherwise is wrong.
Saying anything otherwise is wrong.
First off... fuck, I did miss that line. That's my bad. But you'd be surprised, it DOES happen, people will volunteer that information and crazier things.
Secondly, if I just MAGICALLY knew? Well then, how much else do I magically know? If I can magically know that someone is a bigot and holds antagonistic views towards people of color, or women, or LGBTQ people... no, they aren't getting hired.
Because, again, I have explicitly made it clear that I hold issues of human equality to a different standard than who you voted for (even if the two, in this case, are pretty often tied together).
Who the hell comes in wearing a maga hat
You come in wearing any hat what so ever you're not getting hired. Hell if you don't put on a nice pair of pants and a shirt you're not getting hired
Pretty much my view.
Now if anyone goes and makes people feel unwelcome in the workplace or I hear they're tweeting some irresponsible stuff then I have a problem with them that might lead up to firing, like with anyone else.
I would probably file them under "can never be a real friend" mentally...
Still, one of the better bosses I had was pretty conservative and home schooled his kids because he didn't want evolution and climate change taught as fact. Definitely felt like a "don't ask, don't tell" kind of arrangement on Trump.
For the record, I'm liberal and anti-Trump, but I've got all kinds of conservative anti-Trump friends that I discuss politics with. Being ok with Trump himself after all the blanket crass attacks he's made on various races, nationalities, religions, and other opponents is pretty reprehensible to me.
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Obviously Not an interview, but if it is seen on social media or anything, that’s it. We have used social media for as long as I can remember.
Not unless that job requires zero interaction with other human beings.
The sheer amount of narcissism and lack of empathy required to still be a trump supporter makes it far too statistically likely you are hiring a serial bully, who will fucking destroy your workplace.
http://www.the-upper-hand.com/2011/03/serial-bully.html
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What if they work in HR or a service position where they can make decisions that heavily affect individuals, and can offer a variety of interchangeable justifications for those decisions? A bigot in that position could do a lot and easily never expose themselves. You would have to trust them. I could never, ever trust a Trump supporter in that capacity.
I think political views (much more so right now than usual) can imply something about your character. Agreeing with, or simply being "fine" with, Trump's bigoted views, absolutely reveals something about one's moral character. If you can't take that into account, why even interview people to get a feel for them at all?
It's not possible to be a T***p supporter and be the best person for the job.
This is not about "having a different opinion." Anyone who still supports this administration rejects facts, shows an inability to feel empathy and is for a level of xenophobia that's incompatible with any contemporary work place.
I work in health care with coworkers of various races, ethnicities, nationalities, religions, sexualities, and political beliefs. People get along and we have great employees overall, including those who knowingly support Trump. They help save our patients lives, and that's all that matters. They work well with a very diverse group of people in an environment where teamwork is vital to our patient's lives. So if you are good at your specific role and you are capable of working as a team to help our patients, I could care less what your personal politics are. That said if those political beliefs in affect your ability to work woth others or care for patients, then you are gone.
In terms of hiring, I wouldn't hire anybody who somehow allows poltical views to be outed during an interview. I wouldnt hire somebody going on about "MAGA MAGA MAGA" nor would i hire somebody discussing "Abolish ICE". People who don't have the self control to keep it in during a job interview likely aren't the type of people we are looking for. Our job requires people working with and caring for people who hold views you may hate, and if you can't put that aside, you need to find another line of work.
Finally, if I somehow knew a person's politics before an interview (social media or maybe an employee I know from another area transferring to a new job), I wouldn't outright not hire them (assuming they had the necessary skills ans competence) unless I felt they would not work well in a team enviornment and/or be capable of caring for any patient no matter their background or personal beliefs (trust me, many patients allows their politics or other beliefs known).
In terms of hiring, I wouldn't hire anybody who somehow allows poltical views to be outed during an interview. I wouldnt hire somebody going on about "MAGA MAGA MAGA" nor would i hire somebody discussing "Abolish ICE". People who don't have the self control to keep it in during a job interview likely aren't the type of people we are looking for. Our job requires people working with and caring for people who hold views you may hate, and if you can't put that aside, you need to find another line of work.
Finally, if I somehow knew a person's politics before an interview (social media or maybe an employee I know from another area transferring to a new job), I wouldn't outright not hire them (assuming they had the necessary skills ans competence) unless I felt they would not work well in a team enviornment and/or be capable of caring for any patient no matter their background or personal beliefs (trust me, many patients allows their politics or other beliefs known).
I am an employer, and really I would not care as long as it doesn't interfere with the work environment, and it's none of my business. If the person is qualified, gets the work done, and doesn't cause any problems for anyone, then sure I would hire them.
A smart potential employee leaves their beliefs behind, don't blast your religious or political nonsense, and everything should go ok.
A smart potential employee leaves their beliefs behind, don't blast your religious or political nonsense, and everything should go ok.
"Can imply" is very different from "likely does imply"...
What decisions does HR make in a company that one would assume is hypothetically headed up by one individual?
At about half of my past employers I had to pass a background check by an external company which might also include some basic social media searches in addition to criminal records checks and even drug tests...how are these hires going to topple these systems?
HR is largely policy enforcement and those policies are set from above. If you make diversity a priority then how would they make their goals while still hiding some bias?
You're implying they're swallowing complaints or filtering resumes as they come in or some other action which would clearly lead to dismissal when someone brings it to light.
Also, as someone who can't really hide his ethnicity, I'll tell you that bigots are on every side of the political spectrum, Trump supporting, liberal, feminist, or otherwise. I'd have some doubts about the biases of any hire and tailor their training with establishing the baseline or acceptable behavior. I'd for sure protect the company from the liability, legal and otherwise, that comes from using exactly the tactics you're afraid would be employed by the hypothetical Trump HR employee.
Besides, given the hypothetical put forward in the OP, it's pretty murky on what evidence we have to support the belief that this person is all that one might assume about the worst Trump supporters or even if they still are one now. The setup is a little too witch hunt-like for me to give a blanket no...
But does he/she do their job good?
It just sounds like a slippery slope
What if the HR person is a republican and See's a bunch of pro Hillary stuff, should that HR person be like "nah, nope"
Of course not, their political standing has zero to do with their work effort and efficiency.
I work in a huge company, friends with everyone on their FB, They leave their political rants shit at home. People get hired by their skill level. Don't matter what color you're all you got to do is be a team player and meet goals. No one spouts political shit at work. "Never discuss religion or politics" it's been the Golden rule of humanity forever.
A liberal is not going to bark at a conservative and a conservative isn't going to put down a minority in the office. We may fight over who had the last donut in the fridge or if someone stole a sandwich but that's about it.
Are you really comparing my brother in law (who you don’t even know) to a slave owner here? That’s absurd and I’m sure you know it.
Depends on what I'm hiring for. If im hiring a warehouse labourer or a software designer then sure why not. If I'm hiring a medical professional or retail or restaurant worker, hell Naw.
If they were qualified for the gig and they don’t have some history of inciting violence or hate... it seems hard to just say because this person voted for Trump, they don’t get to earn a living.
I don’t enjoy interacting with Trump supporters, at all, but denying them a living seems extreme?
I guess it also depends on what kind of “Trump supporter” you’re talking about.
I don’t enjoy interacting with Trump supporters, at all, but denying them a living seems extreme?
I guess it also depends on what kind of “Trump supporter” you’re talking about.
He's just asking questions, guys! About the "endgame". Nothing wrong with that, is there?
If they're qualified for the job and being a trump supporter is not something the person keeps boasting about (like wearing MAGA hats to work), I would. Unless the person is an actual Nazi, I would hire basically anything regarding political leanings.
But of course, I'd fire anyone immediately for acts of bigotry.
But of course, I'd fire anyone immediately for acts of bigotry.
For all the people saying that right now everyone in their work environment gets along, what about the future? What if Trump is allowed to keep escalating his horribleness, which is the trend so far? I'm not talking outright genocide. I'm talking things like people being denaturalized and deported for bullshit reasons. People being apprehended for having undesirable political views. These issues will increasingly affect your employees. And that is when they'll start to clash over their "political views." It won't be pretty. Things are mostly fine NOW, but if we don't reverse the direction this administration is going in, their detrimental policies will affect more and more of our lives.
You'll have one set of employees decrying these actions while the other set bend over backwards to defend them. And as these actions become more and more reprehensible, the degree of disagreement between the sides will increase.
So many people replying in this thread are assuming that politics is separate from real life. And as Americans, many of us live in situations where we can pretend that politics is separate. That's why so many people treated the 2016 election like it was a game. Politics hadn't noticeably impacted their lives negatively, so it never will, right?
Yeah, no.
I agree that there's an enduring caricature of Trump supporters in this thread. Supporting Trump isn't just about not accepting facts and falling for magical thinking. It's about degrees of cognitive dissonance. A lot of Trump supporters can be decent people in everyday life and then nod in agreement when they see children of migrants detained on TV. It's not right in front of their faces, so they can distance themselves.If the Trump administration starts upping the authoritarian ante, fewer and fewer of us will be able to pretend like we exist outside of the world of politics. These Trump supporters will either finally give in and break with him or they'll double down. Doubling down will lead them to conflict more with others. Read about the banality of evil. It's possible to be a Trump supporter and seem perfectly fine in other aspects of life. Plenty of professional, intelligent Trump supporters who can navigate their cognitive dissonance comfortably until forced to become uncomfortable in that dissonance.
Also, to a lot of people in this thread, do you need a goddamn card in your wallet with the following two phrases?
Tolerating intolerance will lead to the elimination of tolerance in favor of intolerance.
Trumpism is not a matter of political views. It is a matter of deciding that some human beings do not deserve to be treated as human beings. Once you get to THAT point, we are NOT talking about mere differences in political views.
There's a reason the Nuremberg trials had to draw on universal ideas of human rights. Because it's so damn easy to deny people these rights and pass it off as something that's okay.
Get it into your head. Get it tattooed on your arm if you have to. I'm so fucking tired of people excusing the shit that Trump supporters are allowing. IT IS NOT JUST A MATTER OF POLITICAL VIEWS.
You'll have one set of employees decrying these actions while the other set bend over backwards to defend them. And as these actions become more and more reprehensible, the degree of disagreement between the sides will increase.
So many people replying in this thread are assuming that politics is separate from real life. And as Americans, many of us live in situations where we can pretend that politics is separate. That's why so many people treated the 2016 election like it was a game. Politics hadn't noticeably impacted their lives negatively, so it never will, right?
Yeah, no.
I agree that there's an enduring caricature of Trump supporters in this thread. Supporting Trump isn't just about not accepting facts and falling for magical thinking. It's about degrees of cognitive dissonance. A lot of Trump supporters can be decent people in everyday life and then nod in agreement when they see children of migrants detained on TV. It's not right in front of their faces, so they can distance themselves.If the Trump administration starts upping the authoritarian ante, fewer and fewer of us will be able to pretend like we exist outside of the world of politics. These Trump supporters will either finally give in and break with him or they'll double down. Doubling down will lead them to conflict more with others. Read about the banality of evil. It's possible to be a Trump supporter and seem perfectly fine in other aspects of life. Plenty of professional, intelligent Trump supporters who can navigate their cognitive dissonance comfortably until forced to become uncomfortable in that dissonance.
Also, to a lot of people in this thread, do you need a goddamn card in your wallet with the following two phrases?
Tolerating intolerance will lead to the elimination of tolerance in favor of intolerance.
Trumpism is not a matter of political views. It is a matter of deciding that some human beings do not deserve to be treated as human beings. Once you get to THAT point, we are NOT talking about mere differences in political views.
There's a reason the Nuremberg trials had to draw on universal ideas of human rights. Because it's so damn easy to deny people these rights and pass it off as something that's okay.
Get it into your head. Get it tattooed on your arm if you have to. I'm so fucking tired of people excusing the shit that Trump supporters are allowing. IT IS NOT JUST A MATTER OF POLITICAL VIEWS.
No, I’m saying just because there’s a majority-minority, doesn’t mean everything is hunky dory for them. South Africa also springs to mind.
Sure, but that's not what's being said here. You're making really malicious assumptions about a friendly work environment you know nothing about. This isn't a "it's okay, I have a black friend" situation. I'm using my own anecdotal experience as a means to counter generalizations, that's it. If you want to say it's not a common scenario, great. But don't try to tell me you know my brother-in-law better than I do.
Fascists that put children in concentration camps aren't people that will contribute to a healthy work environment.
So you don't discriminate but would hire someone who discriminates.
What.
No I’m not. You’re willingly being obtuse about this. I’m telling you actual factual facts that run counter to your narrative, and pointing out as others have the power imbalance inherently makes it so you and your brother in law are speaking from an uninformed position. We are trying to inform you of the reality outside of what manages to make it through the filter of white privilege.
Most diehard Trump supporters don’t have a bachelors degree and wouldn’t even get to the interview process. Win-Win.
You're right. But we're not talking about "political beliefs." We're talking about racism, misogyny, white nationalism, and general bigotry.
Everyone in this thread trying to be all "rational centrist" about Trump supporters has completely lost the plot. Wake the fuck up to who these people really are. It's been almost two years since the man was elected and I've lost track of all the heinous stuff he's done in that time. If people voted for Trump and regret it, maybe that's a different story. But people who still support him today all things considered, fuck them in every possible way.
I would not hire someone who voted for the AFD, NSDAP or Trump. Same basket.
This is of course no question for in an interview. But when this information would come up I would act.
This is of course no question for in an interview. But when this information would come up I would act.
Even if your vote contributes to concentration camps and nazis murdering people in the streets while chanting "Jews will not replace us?"