Aren't the people who knowingly support trump racist, misogynistic and xenophobic? How can you call them good co-workers in that case?
If you were an employer, would you hire a Trump supporter?
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Kids are already being put into concentration camps FFS, black people are being slaughtered in the streets, hate crimes have been rising for the past 4 years, economic inequality is out of control, it's a stone's throw.
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Did you think 2 years ago we’d be separating babies from their family at the border for months on end, keeping them in cages as essentially prisoners, and then losing track of their parents so we couldn’t reunite them later? I didn’t, but here we are.
If their social media, references, or interview indicates they can't keep their mouths shut about it and/or I feel like their beliefs will hinder their work, no. I wouldn't hire a man who posts sexist stuff on Facebook and who said sus stuff about female employees in his interview since that's not fair to the women in the workplace or the female customers. I consider it not just a social issue, but a business decision too.
Things don't have to get to genocide to be terrible and objectionable and detrimental to the country.
As others have mentioned, we already have kids being separated from their asylum-seeking parents at the border because people in power wanted to be particularly cruel. It's of no financial benefit to the US. Housing the kids and their parents puts extra strain on the government departments charged with taking care of them.
The president is referring to migrants on the Southern border as vermin. And he's consistently used language to denounce the humanity of these groups of people.
This administration has also assembled a group of people to go through applications of naturalized citizens to supposedly remove their citizenship if they've made a mistake on their applications.
Minorities being promised citizenship for serving in the military are being kicked out.
Journalists have been harassed, attacked, and in one case killed after the president has spent the past 2+ years denouncing the press and calling them the enemy of the people.
Again: it doesn't need to get to ovens for things to be bad. Please, kindly remove your head from your derrière and get some historical perspective.
Denying people their humanity goes beyond political beliefs. Is this really that hard to understand?
Sure, go ahead and hire the trump supporter. But don't pretend shock or dismay when they report those in the workplace who are liberals, socialists, those with cross racial or ethnic relationships, or any others that don't pay obedience to dear leader. And don't be surprised when those so reported get their property damaged or their loved ones attacked.
If that's your view on the situation, calling people privileged for saying so. But i stated mine. I haven't been following this thread at all, i just posted my opinion on it.
Yes, instituting a fucked up immigration policy is tantamount to shoving people into ovens by the millions, right. Round 'em up boys! I sure don't see protests filling the streets and condemnation from many in our government already from what's going on. No, we're all laying down and allowing it because America's nothing but a racist, hateful nation to the point we're now going to commit mass genocide.
Do you really think those in our armed forces, in our judiciary, would allow for mass genocide to take place? That some moronic reality TV star baboon could rile up an entire nation under him, as Hitler had to do, along with all the national dynamics and history underpinning it to breed the perfect recipe for wide scale genocide, to enable such atrocities? Trump is an idiot that can't spell his way out a paper bag, who only holds charisma over those too dumb enough to see through his cons, and to even try to compare what he'd need to accomplish to what Hitler had to to allow for such horrors is frankly an insult to Hitler and demonstrates a complete ignorance of history.
Look, I'm no fan of Trump (to put it mildly), but again, get a grip. What you're suggesting is utterly laughable. This country would tear itself apart if such a thing were even attempted.
You’d think this kind of misplaced faith in “America” would have been knocked out of people by now
Depends, really. If it's a job that we sorely need and the person happens to be qualified and capable and responsible for it, then I don't see why not.
Not even an American, so this scenario is extremely unlikely to happen, however.
Not even an American, so this scenario is extremely unlikely to happen, however.
McConnell has been working on quickly filling up judge positions that he wouldn't allow Obama to appoint with approved "conservative" judges. Trump is getting a 2nd Supreme Court pick, and there's speculation that people in the administration convinced Kennedy to step down due to a connection between his banker son and Trump's finances in the past.
If this new Supreme Court rules against Roe vs. Wade? Then a lot of women will die.
As I said before, it doesn't need to get to outright genocide for things to be bad.
I can't see the future, so I can't say what will be happening 2-5 years from now. But ya know what? I sure as hell don't want to take any chances. Because if I take your stance and say "it'll never happen here" things could very well get to the point where many have died before anything is done about it. Heck, a lot of people have already died and will die due to the Trump administration's policies.
Don't know why you get all up in arms when someone compares what's going on now to Germany in the 1930s. The parallels are there. There are Holocaust survivors who have been saying as much. So it's not like people are just making these comparisons to play down what happened in Germany in the past.
Classy, and who cares anyways? It's still awful. Don't stan for nazi's like "oh well they haven't checked every single box yet so we better not get too crazy", look at what's going on.
Well that's pretty odd seeing as how I was at one last week and plenty of democrats have been criticizing what's happening at every turn. We just had Maxine Waters laying her life on the line for these redcaps who want violence, "If you're gonna shoot me you'd better shoot straight".
Looking at what they are allowing now, yes. Or it will get to a point where they couldn't stop it if they wanted to.
That moron got elected president and is already talking about not leaving when his 8-year term is up. it doesn't require a perfect recipe, everything he needs is in place already. Hyper-nationalism, economic inequality, racism and extreme prejudice, a huge media outlet operating as propaganda to name a few.
You're downplaying Trump too much, and that's a dangerous thing. This is the guy everyone said could never be elected, and he did it. You're waiting for some apparent tipping point that's likely only going to be noticed after the fact. We don't know when it's too late, we just know it's very bad now and we can't let it get worse and we're not going to get there with people telling us it ain't that bad.
We're already in the middle of being torn apart, we've had it happen once before and it wasn't even that long ago historically speaking. A large portion of this country literally has to live in fear of an occupying force in the police that seems to want to kill them at every turn for doing nothing wrong, for just existing.
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As someone familiar with just how poorly we often treat people within the existing DCS system, it's really not that surprising. It doesn't happen for 'months on end', but the system is sometimes so overloaded, underfunded, and bureaucratic that American citizens are put into those same conditions every day. But very few people know because no one wants to know, no journalist is shining a magnifying glass on it. And even when they do, like in the case of the expose' about how we lost thousands of kids in the foster care system a few years back, most people just kind of forgot about it after a week or two of outrage and shock. Or sometimes we just kick them out in the street because they no longer fit some arbitrary criteria. Or dump them into homes that are clearly dangerous or abusive.
I'm not getting up in arms about the parallels to Germany in the 30s he's making, only to his last paragraph that in the near future we're going to be putting up extermination camps around the U.S., which is ridiculous. I'm also not saying that no one hasn't or isn't going to get hurt by this administration, but only that there is a stark difference between that and gassing people by the millions.
One would think that seeing the resistance that's happening now to such inhumane policies as this current immigration clusterfuck would give them some clue that there'd be more than a good fight if our government reached the point of enacting genocide, something incomprehensibly more horrific. And by a good fight, I mean a civil war. As much as people here hate America and wish to believe everyone who doesn't is somehow delusional in their naive idealism in what could or couldn't happen, the only delusional ones are those who have lost all bearing on reality in their hatred of this administration. Not that it doesn't deserve it, but let's keep it in the realm of reality.
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the american armed forces and american judiciary have allowed for mass genocide yes
If it's on brown/black people? Hell yeah. Shit wouldn't even be the first time.
Sure there is. If ya'll wanna keep disingenuously conflating the two, You'll have 4 more years of Trump to contemplate how you're wrong.
I'll give ya a minute to read it again.
No. I don't want to enable literal nazis.
I also wouldn't hire white people, cis people, straight people, men, non-disabled people, christians, people that were born on my country or anyone aged 21-55, since they are generally just one step away from murdering me.
I also wouldn't hire white people, cis people, straight people, men, non-disabled people, christians, people that were born on my country or anyone aged 21-55, since they are generally just one step away from murdering me.
We'll get a second term (probably more) from people like you exhaustingly downplaying the harm these people do.
But they had no way of knowing Trump was a racist asshole, they were just economically anxious so they voted to make themselves worse off, makes total sense. I'm sure they would take it back if they could despite polls showing most of his supporters do not regret it.
You're right one will call you the n-word to your face, while the other one will create laws that will hurt you for Generations.
Alright, I'm going to bookmark this page so I can come back, make a thread, and laugh my ass off in a few years time. That's if I can see through the ashes.
Prob would be a good idea to respond to the points that have been made before you go though instead of just ducking
Dude, you can laugh at me all you want in the future. If things get better and fewer people get hurt than people's worst projections, that would be great. Being wrong on an Internet message board is inconsequential compared to the actual issues being discussed here.
You mentioned a civil war in an earlier post like it would be something that would happen quickly and wrap up when it would be a long, drawn out event where many people would still become victims of the Trump administration.
People who talk about the worst possible future are point out that it's important not to play down what's going on now because history shows that things can get a lot worse.
Ducking is the way to go when you're more concerned with winning Internet arguments than the social realities of a country that's struggling with white supremacy.
Edit: I mean, what am I supposed to say in the future if things get better? "Aw, shucks! NightMarcher was right! If only we'd gotten to the point of mass genocide, that would sure show him!"
This isn't like making an avatar bet over whether or not Ash would win a Pokemon league for once.
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Yes, because the best way to make your case that these people aren't the same as MAGA folk is to imply that they would vote for Trump again just because they got their feelings hurt...
Of course since it’s the law (and the right thing to do). You hire the best candidate. Race, religion, politics do not factor into the decision making process.
Besides, not sure where excluding supporters of a particular president gets us. Bush II was far worse than trump. You’re not going to hire bush supporters either?
Besides, not sure where excluding supporters of a particular president gets us. Bush II was far worse than trump. You’re not going to hire bush supporters either?
Does this extend to fascism?
I'm always curious to know the lines of religious/political/general belief systems that define what is and isn't tolerated by the law. Far-right conservatism/ethnonationalism and fascism are rubbing pretty close as far as vitriol and hate speech go.
I hope you're more successful than the people who bookmarked the threads from before this administration began (they'll never go after kids food, they'll never try to get rid of pre-existing conditions, he won't really be Putin's best buddy, won't attack NATO, etc.) But honestly, whatever gets you to shut up about how you know the absolute future and no one else does is fine by me.
You missed the sarcasm. This is exactly my point. People are uprising as are those in our government to atrocities far less grievous than gassing people en-masse. Yet you appear to believe that if genocide were to take place, nothing would be done.
Who would stop them? Who would stop the millions of decent, compassionate Americans from picking up arms and marching in the streets to Washington and to every corner of this country even humoring genocide? Oh wait, they're all racists and bigots, aren't they? Who's to stop Antifa attacking and destroying the construction of extermination camps before they've even been built? To kill these fascists? Hell, we have torrents of people surrounding those in the administration having lunch in their off hours, we have social media exposing fascists left and right, yet I'm supposed to believe they'd be able to come together to commit mass genocide? They can't even go out of their house and into the STREET to get fresh air without getting swamped and mugged, predictably to the cheers of ERA.
This is what disgusts me the most. You and others have such little faith in this country and its citizens. This is understandable given Trump, his behavior, and his rhetoric, but to enable genocide you'd have to believe that not only one single person in our government has the decency to stand up and do something should such circumstances arise, but worse, that not enough people would take up arms and severe measures to stop it either. You have went to protest and stood beside good, decent Americans (as have I many times), yet then you have the nerve to come on here and state genocide would be allowed on our soil in today's day and age. It's sickening. This board's utter hatred of America is sickening.
Trump doesn't represent America, not all of it. America is a good country despite these dark times, and hell if I'm going to sit here and have anyone tell me that we could repeat one of the most horrific periods in history. Have some faith and try to have a little optimism. That of course will be written off as "if you give an inch they'll take a mile". Who's giving an inch, exactly?
That moron got elected through an antiquated electoral college, yet lost the popular vote IIRC. Hyper-nationalism? Is that why recent polls taken on before the 4th found that the majority of Americans have been the least patriotic they've been in a while? Economic inequality? We've been living with that for ages. Racism and prejudice? Research shows that it's actually declining. Trump's election simply gave those who hold such disgusting beliefs license to speak them more freely, so it gives the impression it's more rampant than ever despite the facts. And a media outlet operating as propaganda? There's no way I'll defend Fox News here, but let's not try to pretend that there's not equal bias and bullshit on both sides. They're also in no way akin to the propaganda wing in Germany in the 30s. The parallels being drawn here are only similar in the most simplistic of framings, they are otherwise entirely disingenuous.[/QUOTE]
And you're downplaying Americans too much, and that's a depressing thing, but not entirely unexpected given the America hating sentiment that is rife on these boards.
No, "ducking" is the way to go when people are so engrossed by their hatred that they selectively view historical circumstance and correlations while not viewing others contrasted within a historical context. It's not ducking, it's honestly not worth responding to. But since you guys insisted, I did.
That doesn't mean you wouldn't though. Hiring is easy to manipulate. Thankfully I don't live in the US, but if I did and found out someone was a Trump supporter, I'd go through their cv and find something that didn't match the ideal candidate criteria. I don't wanna hire a racist, bigot or someone with that level of cognitive dissonance.
Yes, you can, except in California, and in a more limited fashion in New York.
But where do you draw the line. Bush dove the country over a cliff. Put lives at stake over lies. Obama renewed the patriot act in 2011 and his NSA committed countless fourth amendment violations. If I as a hiring manager don’t like these policies then I have the right not to hire the people who voted for them?
Not all Trump supporters are in fact racists Many, like my good-natured Saint of mother have been swindled by equal parts right-wing media influence and ignorance. I have to believe that without the advent of Fox News my mom would vote Democrat, but she is too old and set in her ways to change now. There is no way she actually likes Trump but has been led to believe that the Republican party is full of moral leaders. It's quite unfortunate.
On topic: if it came up in an interview there is no way I would hire that person but if I found out after the fact I would of course let them continue working as long as they treated everyone they interact with with respect and never, ever bring up politics.
On topic: if it came up in an interview there is no way I would hire that person but if I found out after the fact I would of course let them continue working as long as they treated everyone they interact with with respect and never, ever bring up politics.
Yes, I would hire a Trump supporter. If he starts to spread that shit in the office, he'd be out the door pretty quickly. Work is work, private life is private. Keep it professional.
I did miss the sarcasm, that was my bad. However, I still assert a line can be crossed where something *can* be done, not that people wouldn't want to or people wouldn't try.
Yeah fuckin Resetera hating racists and bigots, those assholes lol
Who would stop people from rising up? Other Americans, the police, the military, just the conditioning of society in general. We're a sick society, we might have no hope of people rising up en masse, we might not have it in us. I hope we do.
Fuck America and fuck this paragraph. Are you a straight white guy? If so, sure, I can see how you love America, it's probably been real good to you. Black people are being murdered in the fucking streets. America ain't so great for them is it? LGBT people are committing suicide at record high rates. Not so great for them. Hate crimes are on the rise. White nationalism. People can't get decent healthcare. Your faith in a system that only works for a select few and the disregard a viewpoint like yours displays for minorities and the most vulnerable of our population is sickening.
He doesn't represent every citizen but he represents the sickness in society that would see him elected.
It's like you are playing blind man bingo, you even ticked off "both sides".
Yes, he lost the popular vote and still won, you can thank the assholes in the republican party for that, for gerrymandering and voter ID laws and all the other bullshit they've put in place to suppress legitimate votes. Don't take my word on it being an attack on democracy, take a Senator's https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jun/30/trumps-attack-democracy-mass-voter-suppression. Economic inequality has been a thing for ages, it's a boiling pot, it's exacerbating things. It existing for a long time doesn't mean it isn't harmful. Racism is declining but it's still higher than it should ever be, especially with hate crimes rising every year for the past 4 years. It's fucked up for you to be coming in here with some "actually guys racism is going away" shit, a few percentage points don't mean shit to the people who have to live that every day. You say Fox News isn't propaganda, how about Breitbart, where the fucking chairman of the board was in Trump's cabinet?
You absolutely can in most states, the exception being NYC and CA. States the right often likes to cite as liberal hellholes, ironically enough.
Political affiliation is not a nationally protected class. I would not hold any relation with a supporter of Trump's, and absolutely would not hire them if there was any indication whatsoever they support the atrocity that is this administration. Fuck right off with that shit.
Quote one post where that was said.
It sounds like you want to elaborate on that vague insult a bit. You got something to say to or about me or anyone else feel free to @ or quote, you don't gotta do it on the side. I'll get to whatever you have to say in the AM if you want to have a conversation.
You are engaging though, you just did right now, and you did before just sideways. I'm asking you nicely if you have something to say or you could clarify what you meant by "kind of person", what kind of person exactly? That isn't asking too much of you is it?
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Correct me if I'm wrong but posted unsourced bullshit, not wanting to engage but posting anyways, talking shit out (without quoting anyone you're talking about), and then trying to jump out of the thread without clarifying anything you are saying, that ain't exactly a picture of good faith.
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Got a source on this one?
Correct me if I'm wrong but posted unsourced bullshit, not wanting to engage but posting anyways, talking shit out (without quoting anyone you're talking about), and then trying to jump out of the thread without clarifying anything you are saying, that ain't exactly a picture of good faith.
If your mom is watching Fox news she is swallowing a boat load of open racism. They and trump himself aren't even dog whistling anymore.
If you vote for racists you might as well be one.