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Oct 25, 2017
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Oh give me a fucking break. Further alienating people and creating antagonistic wolf packs out of every goddamn group of people is worse tha hiring someone.
Don't be extra. I'm just saying, pretending that someone's political affiliation in this climate is just this extra thing that'll have nothing to do with the job ever is just weird denial. Or you just don't give a shit because it doesn't negatively effect you, which would be understandable if you just owned it.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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I've worked in an office for the same company for 11 years. We have almost 400 employees and I have no idea who a single one of my co-workers voted for in any election since I've been at the office.

No one smart will ever bring up politics in a corporate environment...let alone in the interview process. That's literally just asking for a lawsuit.
 
Oct 25, 2017
26,560
I've worked in an office for the same company for 11 years. We have almost 400 employees and I have no idea who a single one of my co-workers voted for in any election since I've been at the office.

No one smart will ever bring up politics in a corporate environment...let alone in the interview process. That's literally just asking for a lawsuit.
Figured everyone's speaking from different job perspectives. I work in an office of 20, so we know each other. Everyone from "I didn't vote" to "Obama is a Muslim", it always just came up somehow.
 

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Honestly, anyone stupid enough to support Trump, especially these days, is not likely to be quiet about it or their general disdain for minorities.

Even if they had the basic skills necessary to perform at my workplace their mental and personality issues would come out eventually.
 

mittelos

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Oct 27, 2017
166
If I magically knew? Probably not; the OP is kind of a random hyptothetical though, you could ask the same question about conducting any activity with a "known" Trump supporter and seems like the answer would pretty much be the same.
 

The Statesman

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Aug 5, 2018
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One of my minions is a Trump supporter and by the numbers, he's my most productive one.

If you could guarantee that the prospective employee was going to be as productive, then I would.

I do find it amusing that as a MAGA American he has to work for a younger, higher educated, and more successful black man with an Igbo surname.

He's a decent person. White fragility and ignorance have just gotten the better of him.
 

LittleTokyo

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Oct 30, 2017
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Sure, why wouldn't someone hire a Trump supporter is a better question if they're qualified for a position? Hopefully they would keep their opinions private and if they shared would be willing to debate in a calm, collected way. I work with a Trump supporter who's an ok person but every time he talks something even vaguely political it always ends with him speaking about extra terrestrials so that's entertaining at least. :)
 

TheBeardedOne

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Oct 27, 2017
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Derry
I would hire the best person for the job. Not hiring somebody because of their age, gender or political beliefs is illegal.

If said person really pushed their beliefs, then it wouldn't get past the interview because that'd be unprofessional. Same thing for in the workplace, where politics should not come out.
 

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You're being egregiously petty. Someone arguing that they would not fire or hire someone based on their political views does not mean they voted for Trump.

Oh is that was he was saying

I read this

99% of the people saying "no" in this thread aren't in a position to even do it. Have fun with your eventual termination or even lawsuit if you are in that position, say no because of that, and are found out.
 

Cordy

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Oct 25, 2017
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I straight up hate when people bring up politics at work. Same with religion. Yeah I'm a Christian and all but don't be saying a psalm at the end of a huddle and shit. I was looking around like "am I the only one hearing this?" when that happened.
 

Dingens

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Oct 26, 2017
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I apologize for the strong tone of my comment. However, while the perspective may be grounded in one aspect of IR theory, the details are contested on an ongoing basis. Moreover the take on IR that this perspective comes from is conceived and has operated historically with fear as its basis. It may have been a decent take historically (it can take a polity or state to some level of success) we can see (from the historical record) that it doesn't go beyond some basic level of 'supremacy' (the number of empires that peaked and then fell apart are obviously numerable).

Humanity has gone through some pretty major changes in the last century or so that warrant a new take. One that attempts to break the cycles that are systemically applied by adhering to the perspective you espouse. One that isn't based on fear. Otherwise it's just more of the same, and what that means at this point for America is a downhill from its peak due to the massive piling of issues that have come from being the kind of bullies that this perspective requires us to be.

As I tried to say.. this isn't my personal opinion, but an answer to the "what if" scenario the OP is asking about.
Since I am never going to be an employer, nor ever going to the US, I can only take the perspective of someone who fits both of those criteria. And given the way US companies work... chances are high those in charge are Trump supporters - and keeping it that way seems pretty beneficial unless someone "better" comes along.
 

Fruit

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Oct 25, 2017
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I keep hearing lawsuits and politics as reasons for hiring/not hiring a Trump supporter. I brought this up in my own response here, but if they just support Trump and not the Republican party, there's more than enough pre-presidential election crap to show that supporting this person makes you a racist scumbag. This isn't some career politician, this is a businessman with questionable ethics at best; that's enough for me not to hire someone who supports someone who allegedly told his architects not to have braille in the Trump Hotel elevators in the 1980s.
 

RedMercury

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Menelaus I don't know what your political leanings are, but do you think it's fair to say Trump is awful and people who support him pose a very real danger to society through things like furthering racism and bigotry?
 

hikarutilmitt

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Dec 16, 2017
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If they're qualified, it doesn't matter to me. If this causes them to be a visibly shitty person they wouldn't be hired (or recommended for it) but you'd be surprised how decent people are without making snap decisions based on their religious or political views.
 

SweetChinMusic

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Sep 19, 2018
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Menelaus I don't know what your political leanings are, but do you think it's fair to say Trump is awful and people who support him pose a very real danger to society through things like furthering racism and bigotry?

As much as you (and many others here) would love to push this narrative that a Trump supporter is instantly a worthless piece of shit that should be eradicated from society due to their obvious racism etc etc blah blah it just isn't true sorry. Life isn't as black and white as you make it out to be. People are far faaaar more diverse than what their political affiliations suggest they are.

Sure, their "support" of Trump through voting for him was an obviously wrong thing to do but when looking purely on a personal level people are far more intricate than you make them out to be. Especially when looking at it in the context of this thread, a Trump supporter may be perfectly ideal for the job. If they keep politics out of the workplace and do what they are supposed to why would I give a shit who they voted for?

The moment I see any racism or bigotry or other things negatively impacting the job or co-workers their job would be terminated. But guess what? I would do the exact same to a Democrat supporter or any supporter of any other political party. And yes, there are Democrat supporters who are racist too! People are shitty, regardless of their political affiliation.

It truly is amazing how over time the U.S. public has been completely molded into a "us vs them" mentality in regards to political affiliation.
 

astro

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Oct 25, 2017
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As much as you (and many others here) would love to push this narrative that a Trump supporter is instantly a worthless piece of shit that should be eradicated from society due to their obvious racism etc etc blah blah it just isn't true sorry. Life isn't as black and white as you make it out to be. People are far faaaar more diverse than what their political affiliations suggest they are.

Sure, their "support" of Trump through voting for him was an obviously wrong thing to do but when looking purely on a personal level people are far more intricate than you make them out to be. Especially when looking at it in the context of this thread, a Trump supporter may be perfectly ideal for the job. If they keep politics out of the workplace and do what they are supposed to why would I give a shit who they voted for?

The moment I see any racism or bigotry or other things negatively impacting the job or co-workers their job would be terminated. But guess what? I would do the exact same to a Democrat supporter or any supporter of any other political party. And yes, there are Democrat supporters who are racist too! People are shitty, regardless of their political affiliation.

It truly is amazing how over time the U.S. public has been completely molded into a "us vs them" mentality in regards to political affiliation.

It is us vs them. People supporting Trumk are enabling and normalising racism, bigotry, xenophobixa, transphobia, sexism, etc....

No excuses. They're all complicit.
 

RedMercury

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Dec 24, 2017
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As much as you (and many others here) would love to push this narrative that a Trump supporter is instantly a worthless piece of shit that should be eradicated from society due to their obvious racism etc etc blah blah it just isn't true sorry.
Okay, so let's go through this like we always do (not you and I, but we collectively as people who have no interest in abiding or condoning supporting Trump): Trump is a racist. The GOP are racist and push racist policies. People who voted for Trump, and people who vote GOP, are supporting those positions with their vote. Ergo, they are racist, or they are supporting racism. Pretty ironclad logic there. But, hey, feel free to argue of behalf of Trump supporters and GOP voters that they aren't racist, I would like to hear that.
Life isn't as black and white as you make it out to be. People are far faaaar more diverse than what their political affiliations suggest they are.
Nah, not really. You're either cool with racism or you want to see it eradicated so good people can live good lives and have the same freedoms and privilege other white people are afforded. If you hate racism, bigotry, homophobia, etc. you are not voting GOP. Next.
If they keep politics out of the workplace and do what they are supposed to why would I give a shit who they voted for?
That's on you I guess. I don't want to work with racists if I have the choice otherwise, and thankfully I do. I certainly wouldn't want to be complicit in helping them as history is not going to look too kindly on them.
The moment I see any racism or bigotry or other things negatively impacting the job or co-workers their job would be terminated.
If someone came to a job interview with a klan hood on or a swastika armband, would you be cool with it because hey, it isn't impacting their work?
It truly is amazing how over time the U.S. public has been completely molded into a "us vs them" mentality in regards to political affiliation.
Yeah, it kind of gets that way when one side is cool with putting children in concentration camps. "Both sides" kinda goes out the window at that point.
 

SweetChinMusic

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Sep 19, 2018
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It is us vs them. People supporting Trumk are enabling and normalising racism, bigotry, xenophobixa, transphobia, sexism, etc....

No excuses. They're all complicit.

Sure, some may be racist, bigots, full of xenophobia, transphobia etc, but if you expect me to believe that the literal millions upon millions of people who voted for Trump are ALL like this you're out to lunch. It's just such a ridiculous notion. For many people they are truly one issue voters. "Oh he said he's bringing jobs, I've been out of a job for months. Trump gets my vote!" Etc.

If you haven't noticed, Trump (like every single politician in history) will say whatever he needs to to get the vote. He has said many things throughout his campaign that range from completely benign, yet still of interest to people (more jobs) all the way up to horrific things that bring out the worst in people (let's build a wall to keep out those shitty Mexicans). Every politician caste their net far and wide to wrangle whoever they can to vote. In the most basic way these people are "complicit", literally due to their vote. However that doesn't necessarily mean that they are praying to the altar of Trump and readying their weapons to kill all the gays and immigrants and shit.

It is such a naive and frankly disgustingly self-righteous way to think this way. This is EXACTLY what American politicians and media have wanted from it's public for a long time. Complete and utter division. Us vs them. To the point where you throw away any and all rational thought as long as it strokes you in that special place that makes you feel as if you are somehow morally superior to others.

This may be hard for you to understand but human beings are incredibly complex creatures, full of nuance and many different layers and depths to what makes them "them", and there are hundreds of millions of people in America. Many millions who voted for Trump. They aren't the Borg, there is always more to things than random hyperbolic blanket statements.
 

TheTurboFD

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Nov 24, 2017
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As much as you (and many others here) would love to push this narrative that a Trump supporter is instantly a worthless piece of shit that should be eradicated from society due to their obvious racism etc etc blah blah it just isn't true sorry. Life isn't as black and white as you make it out to be. People are far faaaar more diverse than what their political affiliations suggest they are.

Sure, their "support" of Trump through voting for him was an obviously wrong thing to do but when looking purely on a personal level people are far more intricate than you make them out to be. Especially when looking at it in the context of this thread, a Trump supporter may be perfectly ideal for the job. If they keep politics out of the workplace and do what they are supposed to why would I give a shit who they voted for?

The moment I see any racism or bigotry or other things negatively impacting the job or co-workers their job would be terminated. But guess what? I would do the exact same to a Democrat supporter or any supporter of any other political party. And yes, there are Democrat supporters who are racist too! People are shitty, regardless of their political affiliation.

It truly is amazing how over time the U.S. public has been completely molded into a "us vs them" mentality in regards to political affiliation.

I agree with this person. I mean I dislike Hilary and the blind following she had just because of the whole "Lesser of two evils" BS. Doesn't mean I'd not hire based on that. Hiring based on not sharing the same opinion is stupid.
 

RedMercury

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Dec 24, 2017
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Sure, some may be racist, bigots, full of xenophobia, transphobia etc, but if you expect me to believe that the literal millions upon millions of people who voted for Trump are ALL like this you're out to lunch.
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I mean, it shouldn't be a huge shocker but this country was built on a foundation of slavery and there are a lot of hateful, racist people.
For many people they are truly one issue voters. "Oh he said he's bringing jobs, I've been out of a job for months. Trump gets my vote!" Etc.
Okay, so they voted for their one issue because it was worth the expense to them of furthering racism and bigotry. I guess we should all forgive them because they had no other choice except to get theirs while the getting is good.
If you haven't noticed, Trump (like every single politician in history) will say whatever he needs to to get the vote. He has said many things throughout his campaign that range from completely benign, yet still of interest to people (more jobs) all the way up to horrific things that bring out the worst in people (let's build a wall to keep out those shitty Mexicans). Every politician caste their net far and wide to wrangle whoever they can to vote. In the most basic way these people are "complicit", literally due to their vote. However that doesn't necessarily mean that they are praying to the altar of Trump and readying their weapons to kill all the gays and immigrants and shit.
This is more "both sides" crap. Yes, politicians lie. Trump on the other hand was transparent as glass, there was literally tape of him admitting to assaulting women, and bragging about it. He flat out asked Russia to intervene in our election. And they may not be readying their weapons, but they damn sure aren't going to ready them if they need to fight for minorities.
To the point where you throw away any and all rational thought as long as it strokes you in that special place that makes you feel as if you are somehow morally superior to others.
I am morally superior to racist pieces of shit, not sorry.
I agree with this person. I mean I dislike Hilary and the blind following she had just because of the whole "Lesser of two evils" BS. Doesn't mean I'd not hire based on that. Hiring based on not sharing the same opinion is stupid.
Racism. Isn't. An. Opinion.

Tell me more how Hillary wasn't the lesser of two evils please.
 

Menelaus

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Oct 27, 2017
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Menelaus I don't know what your political leanings are, but do you think it's fair to say Trump is awful and people who support him pose a very real danger to society through things like furthering racism and bigotry?
Trump is a garbage person, but my guy, I work hard to love my neighbor even if I don't see eye to eye with them. There is far more common ground in our lives than uncommon ground, and when you let yourself get played into hating your neighbor, you lose.

Life isn't black and white. Not every Trump supporter is a tiki torch wielding white supremacist. I don't agree with libertarians, but I wouldn't let that stop me from hiring one. I don't agree with far left socialists, but again, wouldn't let that stop me.
 

RedMercury

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Dec 24, 2017
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Trump is a garbage person, but my guy, I work hard to love my neighbor even if I don't see eye to eye with them. There is far more common ground in our lives than uncommon ground, and when you let yourself get played into hating your neighbor, you lose.
Even when your neighbor believes you don't deserve the same basic rights they have? Even when they consider you subhuman?
 

SweetChinMusic

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Sep 19, 2018
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Racism. Isn't. An. Opinion.

The thought. That. Tens of millions of people who voted. For Trump. Are all racist because of a box they. Ticked. Is so laughably short sighted and is frankly akin to the. Thought process of what you would see from a grade school kid who hasn't had enough experience. In. The real world yet to realize. That there are far more to people. Than their political affiliation. Period. Period. Pause.
 

Alavard

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Oct 25, 2017
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The thought. That. Tens of millions of people who voted. For Trump. Are all racist because of a box they. Ticked. Is so laughably short sighted and is frankly akin to the. Thought process of what you would see from a grade school kid who hasn't had enough experience. In. The real world yet to realize. That there are far more to people. Than their political affiliation. Period. Period. Pause.

So you're arguing that you can support a racist, misogynistic, homophobic, transphobic bigot, and not be one yourself?
 

RedMercury

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Dec 24, 2017
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This is a bad generalization of America IMO, but you're entitled to feel that way.

However, I think feeling that way will make you miserable.
Thinking that America is racist is a bad generalization? Sorry you don't like the truth.
Dude have you seen this person's posts? Misery doesn't begin to describe it.
Yeah now it's starting to come out haha
And not everyone who voted for trump is racist... unless you have actual evidence that they are. Stop generalizing, you know the thing that the left does to supporters of the right and vice versa?
I do have evidence. They voted for him. They voted for a racist. This is undeniable.
 

'3y Kingdom

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Oct 27, 2017
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Sure, some may be racist, bigots, full of xenophobia, transphobia etc, but if you expect me to believe that the literal millions upon millions of people who voted for Trump are ALL like this you're out to lunch. It's just such a ridiculous notion. For many people they are truly one issue voters. "Oh he said he's bringing jobs, I've been out of a job for months. Trump gets my vote!" Etc.

If you haven't noticed, Trump (like every single politician in history) will say whatever he needs to to get the vote. He has said many things throughout his campaign that range from completely benign, yet still of interest to people (more jobs) all the way up to horrific things that bring out the worst in people (let's build a wall to keep out those shitty Mexicans). Every politician caste their net far and wide to wrangle whoever they can to vote. In the most basic way these people are "complicit", literally due to their vote. However that doesn't necessarily mean that they are praying to the altar of Trump and readying their weapons to kill all the gays and immigrants and shit.

It is such a naive and frankly disgustingly self-righteous way to think this way. This is EXACTLY what American politicians and media have wanted from it's public for a long time. Complete and utter division. Us vs them. To the point where you throw away any and all rational thought as long as it strokes you in that special place that makes you feel as if you are somehow morally superior to others.

This may be hard for you to understand but human beings are incredibly complex creatures, full of nuance and many different layers and depths to what makes them "them", and there are hundreds of millions of people in America. Many millions who voted for Trump. They aren't the Borg, there is always more to things than random hyperbolic blanket statements.
Being a "one-issue voter" doesn't exempt you from being criticized for choosing to ignore widely broadcast idiocy and frequently vaunted racism, sexism, authoritarianism, and xenophobia when voting for the most powerful figure in the world. Nor do the preexisting realities of politics begin to justify electing a compelte neophyte and regressive idiot like Trump. The only incredibly complex thing here are the justifications some people come up with to ignore and excuse these basic facts and their own personal failings.
 

skillzilla81

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And not everyone who voted for trump is racist... unless you have actual evidence that they are. Stop generalizing, you know the thing that the left does to supporters of the right and vice versa?

They support and enable racism. That's not a generalization. That's a fact. And to people it impacts most, there's no distinction to be had.
 

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Man this thread is poison. While our idiot president sucks day in and day out this question has a lot of grey area - especially if you have been in a position to lead people.