Discussion in 'EtcetEra' started by PersonAndStuff, Jul 7, 2018.
I employ roughly 300 people in my company. Some of them are contractors who come and go depending on projects being worked on. It's a pretty diverse set of folks since we in London after all, but if I knew you support Trump, or have other messed up beliefs, I wouldn't employ you. Pretty simple. My HR peeps know how it goes and will justify it some way.
Like a normal old school boomer generation republican trump supporter ? Yeah sure
The youngish alt right Incel pepe the centipede kekistani kind from the donald ? No.
Someone that admires Trump's behavior and continues to support him wouldn't last long in a team environment like where I'm at. If you do more individualized work, it doesn't really matter. They just become "that guy" in the office.
Voting for Hillary doesn't automatically make you a good person or better employee, for the record.
They all appear to be self-absorbed hate-filled money-hungry delusional scumbags so no.
This... happened once.
Backstory. At my old job, I was part of the hiring committee. Interview processes aren't perfect, and two hours isn't always enough to determine someone's political leanings. Yes, if they came in with a MAGA hat we'd go through the interview only as a formality (we're part of a bureaucracy so stuff can happen) but it'll be a no. But not every Trump supporter has a MAGA hat. After this fact we learn this kid--well, Freshman--is one of those well-to-do comes from a wealthy family that always leans Republicans. Now, with someone who's a Freshman in college, there's room to believe for growth--I'm not going to think of a naive white Freshman the same way I'd approach an old right-leaning white professor like Pinker or Peterson; it's a huge red flag when we realized but not immediate crisis mode. Besides, there isn't much we can do; waiting for contracts to expire is faster than the firing process because bureaucracy. So while he did parrot his views of his parents, our work were an assertive and intelligent bunch (you had to be, for our job) and they spoke out. And while I did have my hands tied, I put pressure where I could (e.g. it was revealed he didn't tip service workers, like ever, so I--perhaps passive-aggressively--made a reminder to tip service workers part of our nightly announcements). Like, I genuinely think he didn't see a lot of these viewpoints before because super wealthy mostly white towns can be politically insulating. In the end, due to the constant intervening of coworkers, he felt proud to vote for Johnson instead of Trump which... is something? Maybe? I honestly don't know. And I think he finally started tipping workers? It's been too long and I had too many people to look after.
So what's my point? I don't know if I have one to be honest. I don't think it's incumbent on coworkers to correct their fellow coworkers views when they're problematic. But... the story felt relevant to the thread and I felt like sharing anyway.
Let's make this easy.
If you were an employer would you hire Trump? If not, why would you hire someone who supports him?
Kind of like a nudge nudge wink wink please realize you're not wanted here?
I can understand why small town workers, in industries that are dying out, would be angry and be susceptible to someone even addressing their issues, even in this case with a charlatan that fed lies.
They have the right to express these problems. I wish they understood how corporations and distribution of wealth to a small number of people is to blame. They are getting played, with their false saviors promising a solution that no one will seriously work on.
But when Trump called undocumented workers "criminals, rapists, thieves"
THEY HAD AN OUT
When Trump promoted violence at his rallies to a black protestor
THEY HAD AN OUT
When Trump couldn't denounce Charlottesville white supremacist neo-nazis.
THEY HAD AN OUT
When he started questioning our intelligence services and basic structures of government
THEY HAD AN OUT
When they put children in cages
THEY HAD AN OUT
There is so many of these.
It's like a Twilight Zone episode that is testing how long someone could possibly stay supporting someone like this, except we all have to experience it.
By all means support a different candidate, one that will say they are focused on small town development, that isn't racist if you want.
Edit: I'm not saying it is my right to know who the applicant voted for, but if I knew, I would not hire them
No. Why would I hire an unintelligent degenerate?
Hey that rhymes.
I guess the real question would be, if you agree to hire a Trump supporter does that mean you agree to everything that Trump represent?
I guess cases can be made for both yes or no, depending on the context.
When I said I'd rather see him grow as a person, I mean that. Within a supervisor role, my options are limited; I can't force someone to not vote for Trump no matter how unethical I think voting for him is. But I'm not going to pretend that people's political views are necessarily benign things, that they don't impact how fellow coworkers interact or how they work together. If he says something problematic, and his coworkers call him out on it, that's his problem (and by extension my problem since I'm his supervisor). If he came running to me, I'd give him a tough love response. And it's a dynamic that worked; as I said, he wasn't terribly wedded to his views as much as he was isolated from others.
As an aside, tipping is different. I can defensibly put a reminder for people to tip their waiters as long as it's not a requirement to work (it never was nor intended to be). But having pressure on people where a common courtesy is included like that can help normalize practices, I think.
In the end, he wasn't fired (or had his contract expired) but left when he moved for educational reasons. None of us found him to be an unbearable problem, but it was... something.
It largely comes down to a couple things for me: are they qualified for the job? Yes/No. If No, do they seem capable of learning the job (if it's a position that can be trained)? Yes/No. If Yes to either of the two questions, will they be a good fit to the team? Yes/No. If my team is strongly liberal (or on the other hand, largely apolitical in the immediate workplace) and the person I am looking to hire is a loud, proud, staunch Republican and Trump supporter who wears it on their sleeve (literally in some cases), will I hire them? ...in that specific case, most likely not, because they wouldn't fit with the team and work culture and are very likely to cause conflict, which will decrease productivity, working conditions, etc., etc.. Political alignment is never something that's *directly* considered in a hiring decision, BUT if said alignment is going to cause issues with the team, then that's gonna be a no.
If they work hard and stfu about politics why not
If they're qualified for the job, yes. If they talk about or act upon their beliefs at work in a way that's problematic, you can fire them.
You shouldn't not hire someone based on their political beliefs. The foot can be on the other shoe at some other point. I know some of you will say you don't want to work for someone who's right-wing anyway - but many people don't have the luxury of picking and choosing their workplace.
But ok, you got me. You've exposed that the liberals are the true bigots, or both sides or just as bad, or whatever you were going after with your grandstanding.
At this point anyone who's still an active trump supporter is an asshole/bigot of some sort and/or a complete idiot and I don't think either of those are desirable characteristics in an employee.
This may be hard for you to understand, but supporting someone who causes harm like this makes you complicit in that harm.
That's it. Fact. No excuses.
No. Too dumb for my line of work.
So much hate in this thread. I've worked with people who voted for trump \ conservative and have had very good experiences with them for the most part. Wouldn't call them racists either. Couple of nurses I worked with would go the extra mile to help a lot of the minority patients. And they brought in food for the employees a lot. They were actually pretty great great to have around cause they really helped boost the camaraderie between the employees.
No way, even if they are qualified for the job. It's too gross.
I am 100% not a Trump supporter, but in no way shape or form would I become a hypocrite in answering no to this question. I find it disgusting people that people are judged for things like their race, religion, and sexual orientation. What better would I be as an employer if I didn't hire anyone who didn't support the same political stance as myself. I see people calling Trump supporters bigots, but isn't what the OP is saying he'd do as an employer is by definition the same thing?
Im myself livin in democracy country, so every person is entitled to their political statuette. I myself wont interfere it unless they are proven to be part of hate speech, etc.
I would just ban political talk in office
and facebook + twitter
Of course. Best man/woman for the job gets it. Anyone who says otherwise has never been in the position to hire anyone.
That said, I would not tolerate political talk at work. If they are too pro-trump (or anti) in what they say, then forget it.
It’s scary reading a lot of these responses. Deciding whether or not to hire someone based off of who they voted for is wrong. There are so many other better ways to tell if a person is suited for the job or is right for the company.
People go back and forth politically over time. I'm sure some of the people who voted trump in16 may of voted Obama in 12. Perhaps next election they pick someone else?? I hope whoever is the next president can bring the country together, there's too much polarization in this country.