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[IGN] Mixer, Ninja's New Streaming Platform, Criticized for Seemingly Strict Clothing Guidelines
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Who is even arguing about not having a dress code at all that's never been the debate. The debate is that it unfairly affects women more than men if they want to do a family friendly stream.
It's pretty unreasonable when the dress code is women have to wear tops all the way to their neck if they want a "family friendly" stream where as all men have to do is just not do a stream topless, which is like duhhhh.
I really love that banning tank tops on women gets people to come out and start talking about porn and body paint.
Love it when men inherently sexualize the concept of being a woman and then express revulsion at it
Love it when men inherently sexualize the concept of being a woman and then express revulsion at it
And Twitch already has adult film industry members streaming on the platform, competition is getting tough!
Of course I don't think they're the same. I made the analogy because your argument was that the rules are craaaaazy because women on hot summer days wouldn't qualify as family friendly, therefore I pointed out that men on those days also wouldn't qualify. That specific argument is silly.
I obviously think these rules are more restrictive on women than men, however, hiring moderators to make the subjective decision on when a woman is being too sexy or titillating is also garbage.
Who is getting upset though? I'm simply saying that in practice, these rules are nowhere near as 'bad' as they're being made out to be. Go on Mixer and watch female streamers so you can see exactly what I mean.
Secondly, I do not agree that there is sexism here. People are absolutely free to wear what they want, but on a streaming platform which has a very large child audience, why is it bad that guidelines are in place that restrict revealing clothing unless there's an 18+ warning?
The same can be said for men. Mixer isn't allowing men to stream with their chests etc. out while restricting what women do. If that was the case then yes, that absolutely is sexism. But it isn't the case.
Sure but thats orthogonal to the point I was responding to you. You said being forced to wear something you dont want to is a punishment. But nobody is being forced to do anything in this situation.
Men don't have cleavage. A woman wearing a tank top is inherently more revealing than a man cause women have more to reveal.
I said that in the context of if they want to stream on their platform. Yes, in that case they are "forced" to wear buttoned up shirts of round neck t-shirts for a family friendly stream because of said unreasonable dress code.
Of course they can just not stream there, but that's a debate that's not even relevant. Why even have discussion at all when a company does something if the argument is "oh you can just not use their service", or "you can just not buy from them". That's just shutting debate down.
Is there clothing made for men that shows off cleavage?
Are people being this daft, of course it affects women differently because women wear different styles of clothing?
Am I blind or is it standard for men to dress to show off pecs, because I ain't ever seen that shit in every day life.
They haven't banned tank tops though. What's worse is the fact you have successful women Mixer streamers, you know the people who this actually impacts, coming out to explain how these guidelines manifest in practice and yet people like you don't want to hear it.
You're clearly not here to discuss this or argue in good faith.
Yes who agrees with you.
But hey here's one:
And again mixer turning off people from wanting to stream is also worth paying attention to because you know it's a newer platform... but I'm going to guess you're only really interested in having your worldview backed up and that's why no one else but these women who agree with you matter.
Fine not banned... sent to 18+
For a tank top.
Which goes back to the inherent sexualization of women by men.
But sure you really care about "good faith"
it was a thing, at least here in the UK, for a short bit. here are two examples, one a bit more extreme than the other -
i personally think it looks silly, especially the latter, but then again it's because of how used i am to clothing for men being very utilitarian and not highlighting the same aspects of the body that we do for women.
Women have different styles of clothing, a lot of which show some cleavage. None of this is inherently sexual.
These guidelines unfairly affect women because it bans the afore mentioned large amount of clothing even though it's not inherently sexual in any shape or form.
Even Disney allow such clothing by their staff as talked about earlier in the thread.
But no, keep telling me how such clothing is totally just not family friendly.
Maybe you need to read the fact she put it on 18+ some more.
Showing a bit of cleavage is really not a 18+ experience.
People keep talking about this like these rules are just men inherently sexualising women, as we haven't had years of people complaining about the looseness and subjectiveness of the rules on twitch which have led to a bunch of people constantly flirting with bans. These mixer rules didn't come out of a vacuum, they're created around how people act right now.
You keep repeating this is a hit piece or click bait targeted at Ninja. It's an article and we are discussing it. Constantly bringing that up feels like you're upset this is being discussed. That's my view.
Having cleavage or shoulder showing is not requiring of an 18+ warning. And of course this is sexism. How are rules designed to target women primarily not sexist in nature?
I can't believe people are leaning back to the no shirt thing. Like, what dudes are out there on a regular day trying to stream with no shirt and finding the bare minimum rule that they actually WEAR A PIECE OF CLOTHING a limit on their ability to stream? This poster said it best.
Along with women who feel unwelcome towards the platform because of this guideline and several who have attempted streaming there but surprisingly found themselves either banned or determined as an adult stream because of what they were wearing. It's never going to be much of a discussion if you're choosing not to listen to those who are actually affected by this.
I never said anything about sexual. A man wearing no shirt is not inherently sexual either, yet we have the guidelines. The grey area between innocent tank top and show my breasts for views is precisely why these rules exist.
There are streamers who make money by dressing in extremely revealing clothing, playing games and flirting with their chat in exchange for tips.
Most of these streamers are women, primarily because the audience for that type of stream is mostly straight men.
While most people don't have a problem with those streams existing, they are not appropriate for children.
Some people do have a problem with those streams existing, and some of them harass the streamers in an attempt to drive them off the platform. Those people are toxic assholes, and none of the platforms have done a good enough job of banning them.
While most of the streamers have no problem with their streams being classified as 18+, a small number of them try to gain more exposure by placing themselves in less restrictive ratings categories. This forces platforms to establish guidelines to differentiate between sexualized streams and those of women who just want to play games. Creating these guidelines is actually fairly difficult, as threads like this demonstrate.
A common argument from people who want to force the streamers off of Twitch or Mixer is that those streamers should move to a "more suitable" website, which is why people have to discuss why porn sites aren't really a viable alternative.
It's really simple; if you disagree, view with your clicks. Don't stream and don't watch. If enough people do so, then the platform will need to adapt or die.
Mixer, and by extension you for defending it, are implying it's sexual by banning them from family friendly streams though. Don't you see that?
Like i said men inherently treat women's existence as sexual and then punish women for it.
Weird as fuck.
I went to check her page, but she didn't save any of her streams. It did however pop up wth a mature content warning before I was able to check her page.
Especially when there's alternatives. They can go twitch or youtube if they prefer differently
So are they saying shirtless men are inherently "sexual"? And if so aren't they being fair?
Are we really back to comparing topless men to women in dresses like these:
?Like geniuses
This would be deemed possibly 18+ or at least not suitable for children lol.
Yeah I wonder about whether this is permitted (if the cam isn't above the chest)Like geniuses
This would be deemed possibly 18+ or at least not suitable for children lol.
It's amazing how if women don't cover up all of a sudden they're basically nude!
I don't like having to wear business casual at work but I do it anyway
Yeah
The people chiming in have an ignorant understanding of the impact of these guidelines.
Most clothing items aren't banned- they just can't be worn in family friendly streams.
It targets clothing that will be inevitably used by some streamers to titillate minors. It turns out, these types of clothing are aimed at women
men also have to wear tops to their necks...
Low cut men's attire does exist... It just isn't as popular in men's fashion. that disparity isnt Microsoft's problem to fix. They are just gating kids out of streams with a lot of skin, regardless of the streamers gender.
Tank tops aren't banned though. Not on women or men.
The people chiming in have an ignorant understanding of the impact of these guidelines.
Most clothing items aren't banned- they just can't be worn in family friendly streams.
It targets clothing that will be inevitably used by some streamers to titillate minors. It turns out, these types of clothing are aimed at women
men also have to wear tops to their necks...
Low cut men's attire does exist... It just isn't as popular in men's fashion. that disparity isnt Microsoft's problem to fix. They are just gating kids out of streams with a lot of skin, regardless of the streamers gender.
Tank tops aren't banned though. Not on women or men.
Its weird, cause this mainly restricts women. And that's because tits are sexualized, because of men. So it's definitely controlling — especially the 18+ tier
Requiring all women to conform to modest dress stricter than that of the street or even an office should never be an acceptable solution to the adult stream problem. At least not for a platform that wishes to be a welcoming environment regardless of demographic.
This may be an outlandish idea but perhaps when moderating and branding channels they should look at the actual content instead of presuming a streamer's intention based on what she's wearing?
These guidelines are fine IMHO.
They're clear for everyone to understand and leave no real gray area.
The main stipulations are in the family friendly section which is where they're needed the most! Want a wide audience then dress appropriately.
They're clear for everyone to understand and leave no real gray area.
The main stipulations are in the family friendly section which is where they're needed the most! Want a wide audience then dress appropriately.
Neither are inherently sexual right?
A man couldn't wear that on mixer either
They are directed disproportionately at women because women have styles upon styles of revealing clothing that are not common on men. Is it simply not natural?
If men had equivalent clothing, do you think the Mixer rules would NOT specify said clothing styles?
Outside of specific cases which apply to BOTH men and women equally (bars, party spots... etc), ON AVERAGE, women have more choice of styles to be more revealing than men, do you not agree?