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[IGN] Mixer, Ninja's New Streaming Platform, Criticized for Seemingly Strict Clothing Guidelines

Forsaken82

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If you are a good streamer, who cares what you have to wear?

Unless your gimmick is that you believe you earn more views because you show a lot of skin, than you shouldn't find the guidelines to be bad. And besides... twitch seems to not give a shit so why not just stay on twitch?
 
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Does that mean that Ninja will be able to stream with women without it threatening his marriage now?
 

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It's always about shaming women.

Half surprised they don't have regulations on vagina bones in there
 

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The fact that the rules are so geared towards women is definitely sexist, but at the same time Twitch desperately needs better enforcement of rules and there are plenty of streams that are not 'family friendly' and no way to tell without watching the actual content.

As much as I agree that this kind of thing is typically puritanical bullshit, there are plenty of streams on Twitch that are essentially softcore porn.
 
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This is so American lol. The idea that a naked human body is some how harmful or something to be ashamed is laughable. Especially on a platform that has virtual violence and bad language. People defending this decision is even weirder

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I don't see the issue. I'm sure kids television have similar guidelines.
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Kids television wouldn't show gears of war...
 

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you could be streaming DoA and not be allowed to have a visible breastbone lol

rules are clearly meant to stop women from profiting off of their body or whatever bs mras are always accusing women of doing, not to protect viewers
 
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Rules like these always up end unfairly targeting women. Female streamers can never just exist as they are and start up a stream. They'll have to micromanage their wardrobe and worry about how they'll be perceived since their bodies have been extensively sexualized by no fault of their own. But men's bodies haven't been, so male streamers don't have to worry about it.
 
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I think it's generally difficult to write these rules out for any platform, and I have to imagine enforcement is more selective as a result. Like I question if you'd get banned for a mild violation of these rules.
 

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ry-dog said:
This is so American lol. The idea that a naked human body is some how harmful or something to be ashamed is laughable. Especially on a platform that has virtual violence and bad language. People defending this decision is even weirder



Kids television wouldn't show gears of war...
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I'm sure the streams labeled 'family friendly' aren't showing Gears of War either.
 
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Mushroomer25 said:
I think it's generally difficult to write these rules out for any platform, and I have to imagine enforcement is more selective as a result. Like I question if you'd get banned for a mild violation of these rules.
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The opposite problem is also true, that if you make the rules too vague then you can stretch them out *a lot* farther, and leaves actionable content either entirely up to the moderator's discretion or its consequences to be wildly interpreted.
 
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There was a clip of a mixer staff person talking about this recently. They said it's like that so there's a clear guideline.

Unlike Twitch terms of service where stuff is unclear and inconsistent. (Like someone on Twitch would get banned for something and then someone else would get away with doing the same thing. )
 
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ry-dog said:
This is so American lol. The idea that a naked human body is some how harmful or something to be ashamed is laughable. Especially on a platform that has virtual violence and bad language. People defending this decision is even weirder



Kids television wouldn't show gears of war...
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The games rating has an effect on the streams target so.. Maybe before finding people "defending this decision weird" learn a little about the platform you are taking shots at. Looks bad when you don't even know the basics but have the nerve to call everyone else out. I find it interesting that no one seemed to care about streaming platforms telling people what they could and couldn't wear until now to be honest. Its not new, and its not the only streaming platform. They all draw their lines somewhere. I would expect such conversation if one of them was weirdly over the top. But this isn't some out of nowhere massively extreme "wear a nuns outfit" nonsense. This is perfectly within reason, as well as within their rights.

Much ado about nothing.
 
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I'm confused, do the people at microsoft even know what the breastbone is? Cause even wearing like v-neck t-shirts that shit is visible...

Is everyone gonna have to wear turtlenecks now?
 

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I don't see any problems with this. Having clear, defined rules that everyone have to follow avoids the pitfalls Twitch has fallen in repeatedly where it appears some rules apply to some people while it don't for others. If you have a problem with that, stay on Twitch.
 
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I don't know, this sounds reasonable. No one is allowed to be shirtless. Men are probably not allowed to use plunging v-necks either, as a parallel to "cleavage".
This affecting more women's clothing speaks more about how women are made to dress in a more revealing manner than men than it does about possible sexism. If they were giving shirtless men a pass, then I'd completely agree that it's sexist as fuck, but it doesn't seem to be the case.
 
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Did twitch have osmething like this where the "banned" topless streaming for both gender too? only difference is twitch rules are made up on the fly and with favoritism.
 

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Twitch gets shit for having vague guidelines and issuing inconsistent bans
Mixer gets shit for having well laid out guidelines and policy.

Can't win.
 
big_z

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I doubt the guidelines are taken super strictly. Most likely there to prevent mixer getting abused and becoming chaturbate with games.
 
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Zemst said:
Did twitch have osmething like this where the "banned" topless streaming for both gender too? only difference is twitch rules are made up on the fly and with favoritism.
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Of course twitch has dress rules. They are as you stated though, enforced somewhat selectively and a bit more relaxed than this. People have literally given Twitch shit for years and YEARS for being flip floppy, unspecific, inconsistent, and unclear about how they want people to dress on their platform. Its like one of the number 1 complaints.

Mixer goes into absolute hilarious detail; no doubt aware of the communities dislike for ambiguity, and suddenly....

Well not suddenly... Mixer has been this way forever now.

But Ninja goes to Mixer and now...

Suddenly....
 
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Perhaps this strictness is an attempt (admittedly, if so, probably a rather misguided one) to curb the "HURRRRR EVIL TITTY STREAMERZ!!!!!!1!11" gang from gaining foothold on the platform.

Then again I have no idea about how prevalent actually sexual(ized)* streams actually are on Twitch and elsewhere (as opposed to being dipshit gamer strawmen), as I am not familiar with Twitch culture at all, so I don't really have much to say on whether Mixer trying to prevent the emergence of such a subculture on their platform is plausible or not.

*This isn't to claim that anyone wearing revealing clothing is inherently being sexual.
 
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What's the male equalevant of a titty streamer, cuz this thing indeed seems way too much focussed on women
 
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Does anybody who has a problem with these guidelines want to specify which rules in particular are problematic and how they would consider altering them?
 
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Funyarinpa said:
Perhaps this strictness is an attempt (admittedly, if so, probably a rather misguided one) to curb the "HURRRRR EVIL TITTY STREAMERZ!!!!!!1!11" gang from gaining foothold on the platform.
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Maybe, but it looks like thanks to this they are fucked on that. The angry bitter loser incel crew clung to this the moment a female streamer posted it on Twitter, so now those walking diseases are everywhere on this topic and even harassing people online ALREADY.

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What's the male equalevant of a titty streamer, cuz this thing indeed seems way too much focussed on women
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The shirtless, V-Neck T, Look at mah gains streamer more than likely. But the demographics of Twitch viewers is tilted:

According to Twitch's audience statistics from September 2017, "81.5% of Twitch users are male with 55% in the age between 18–34."Jan 1, 2019
 
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I'm a little leery that gaming streams have to rely on rules this Victorian (but no corsets, so I'm being loose with that). But against the "drink my girl gamer bathwater" environment we live in, I'm having a harder time feeling offended by rules that are this strict. I don't think gaming streaming services would all want to descend into softcore porn, to be frank.
 

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Maybe, but it looks like thanks to this they are fucked on that. The angry bitter loser incel crew clung to this the moment a female streamer posted it on Twitter, so now those walking diseases are everywhere on this topic and even harassing people online ALREADY.
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...on what basis? I'm asking because I don't understand, I thought they propped up the titty streamer strawman (regardless of the presence of actual sexualized streams on the platform) to delegitimize the women on the platform and to slut shame the women who did wear relatively revealing clothing (regardless of whether they were sexualizing their streams or not).

edit: ... is the idea that they're low key angry they won't have a basis on which to harass the women on the platform anymore? (/edit)

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What's the male equalevant of a titty streamer, cuz this thing indeed seems way too much focussed on women
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Perhaps a rhetorical question, but I don't think there is such an equivalent.

I don't think Mixer's trying to target any demographic with this but it still is no surprise that women are far more impacted by guidelines on clothing; women's appearance, as in everywhere else, is a greater point of attention and scrutiny compared to that of men. I don't see how any guidelines on clothing wouldn't be seen as disproportionally impacting women.
 
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