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[IGN] Mixer, Ninja's New Streaming Platform, Criticized for Seemingly Strict Clothing Guidelines

Mr. X

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Oct 25, 2017
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No problem with guidelines and age categories but it reads like it was written by someone with Amish or Mormon values.
 

bxsonic

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Oct 30, 2017
361
I don’t see any issue with this. It’s their platform so they can do whatever they want. Better to have a clear guidelines right from the start.
 

Dan8589

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May 30, 2019
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No surprise that there are some females complaining when a proportion of them show a massive amount of cleavage to draw in viewers. At least with Mixer and family streams you'll know that younger girls can watch the more intelligent women stream instead of the 'instagram' type. Same goes for the small groin males who stream shirtless with all their tattoos on display.
 

Bold One

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Oct 30, 2017
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At the risk of sounding puritanical, we've seen the fuckery that lax clothing guidelines leads to on Twitch.

Either have a blanket policy or become a partial Camgirl platform

Shame about the shoulder stuff though, I have been working out all summer
 

Lyng

Writer at Joypad.dk
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Oct 27, 2017
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While I agree that clearly defined rules are better than the ambiguous mess that is Twitch, I honestly don’t understand why people can’t just wear whatever they want or nothing if they want on a 18+ stream?
 

cyrribrae

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Jan 21, 2019
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This dumb fucking country focuses on censoring breasts more than stemming racism and gun culture. (Not just Mixer, TV and other American media as well).

Ass and titties are like at the bottom of the list of things that are wrong with game streaming/Twitch/YouTube culture. It’s literally an alt-right starter kit for children right now. Call me crazy, but that seems like a larger concern.
It is. I think Mixer is also the most strongly moderated platform for other concerns beyond dress code. I think it's unfortunate that that stuff is falling through the cracks a little bit in this discussion too. This isn't Microsoft trying to police bodies. This is Microsoft/Mixer with a specific vision for what their service platform should be like and forming the rules to get there. Feel free to disagree, but it is what it is. I very much disagree with your seeming assertion that if this country didn't care about nudity, that we would also somehow become more intelligent and evolved on racism? Somehow? I think we have the bandwidth to deal with separate issues on the appropriate levels for different audiences. XD

Anyway, similar specificity in other rules. For the better, I think.

While I agree that clearly defined rules are better than the ambiguous mess that is Twitch, I honestly don’t understand why people can’t just wear whatever they want or nothing if they want on a 18+ stream?
Interesting. Where would you draw the line? I assume you wouldn't approve of hardcore porn on your game streaming network? (I mean.. those Artifact streams last month..). If you'd be down for anything, then that's cool too. But I think it's easy to see why a company like Microsoft, with the image and vision it has for its platform, may not end up at the same conclusion :p.

100% agree with this. Lots of people just saying "well it doesn't single women out" as though there's no physical or societal (by the way lots of clothes are designed) differences in how these rules apply
100% there are physical and societal differences in the way these rules apply. This occurs because of the physical and societal differences in the way clothes are used and perceived broadly. What's the alternative exactly? Decide that American society is too prudish and that children should be exposed at a young age to prepare them for titillation in marketing and the ubiquity of porn? Mixer still operates within a societal context. I think they've laid out a vision that is appropriately reactive to changes in that context, as well. I don't think we get a purely ungendered set of rules that doesn't also open up the doors to EVEN MORE criticism on both ends - it's both too restrictive for everyone and its also too vague to hold anyone accountable.

I personally think these rules make sense and are practically written, especially considering the input from women who regularly stream on the platform. On a practical level, the 18+ rules are plenty open. Just my perspective, of course.
 

Addleburg

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Nov 16, 2017
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I think sexist would be banning “curvy” streamers regardless of what clothing they’re wearing, or making a stream 18+ because the streamer was naturally pretty.

Saying that women and men can’t go shirtless or wear strapless clothing without, in the case of the latter, being coded as 18+ doesn’t seem excessive to me. While I may feel that strapless clothing can often be tasteful and not sexually suggestive, the rule is clearly trying to minimize the creative liberties some streamers would take to attract views.

It’s conservative, but I don’t know that it’s sexist.
 

MrCibb

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Dec 12, 2018
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Seems fine to me? It's their platform and they've made their streaming guidelines and policies, and how they will be applied to each age-rating bracket and individual streamer, very clear. That's good to see and creates no confusion. It's also pretty obvious the kind of content this is intending to avoid being on Mixer and that's fine by me. Twitch has a horrible culture, I don't blame MS for not wanting to replicate it and going a bit OTT to avoid it.
 

Maxi

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Oct 25, 2017
260
This all sounds perfectly fine to me, not sure what the issue is? It sucks the guidelines can't be more open but Twitch goes to show how abused these guidelines can be and what the majority of viewers are clambering for with female streamers being the worst affected.

Seems like you can do exactly the same as on Twitch apart from your stream needs to be set as 18+ which I'm pretty sure 99% will lie about their age or create a spoof account if it is age gated.

Just helps categorize the type of streams they are which sucks its comes to guidelines like this but you have to aim for the lowest level of society.
 

Jobbs

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Oct 25, 2017
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No problem with guidelines and age categories but it reads like it was written by someone with Amish or Mormon values.
I don't really agree, and I don't think these were written in accordance with any particular worldview, but they were seemingly written directly in response to what we see on Twitch. If you don't have specific rules and enforce them, you'll inevitably turn into (at least partly) a softcore camgirl site. Again, nothing inherently wrong with that, but MS has an image they want to project and a brand and they also have dealings with advertisers I'm sure and this is just what they've decided they want to be.

A loose and maybe flawed analogy is that Marvel *could* put nudity in avengers movies and just move the rating to R, but that's not what they've decided they want to do. That's not the image or tone they've decided is best. And in Mixer's case they've decided they just want to keep it about gaming and related activities rather than the camgirl type stuff.
 

CloudCircus

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Dec 9, 2017
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Am I missing the point of this thread? MS wants Mixer to accessible to all ages and there are parents who want to limit what there kids can see; be it on TV, the computer or magazines, etc.
 
Jun 22, 2019
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Since Ninja is Mixer's new face or whatever, does that also mean that men and women aren't allowed to stream together on the platform anymore?
 

Lyng

Writer at Joypad.dk
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Oct 27, 2017
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It is. I think Mixer is also the most strongly moderated platform for other concerns beyond dress code. I think it's unfortunate that that stuff is falling through the cracks a little bit in this discussion too. This isn't Microsoft trying to police bodies. This is Microsoft/Mixer with a specific vision for what their service platform should be like and forming the rules to get there. Feel free to disagree, but it is what it is. I very much disagree with your seeming assertion that if this country didn't care about nudity, that we would also somehow become more intelligent and evolved on racism? Somehow? I think we have the bandwidth to deal with separate issues on the appropriate levels for different audiences. XD

Anyway, similar specificity in other rules. For the better, I think.


Interesting. Where would you draw the line? I assume you wouldn't approve of hardcore porn on your game streaming network? (I mean.. those Artifact streams last month..). If you'd be down for anything, then that's cool too. But I think it's easy to see why a company like Microsoft, with the image and vision it has for its platform, may not end up at the same conclusion :p.


100% there are physical and societal differences in the way these rules apply. This occurs because of the physical and societal differences in the way clothes are used and perceived broadly. What's the alternative exactly? Decide that American society is too prudish and that children should be exposed at a young age to prepare them for titillation in marketing and the ubiquity of porn? Mixer still operates within a societal context. I think they've laid out a vision that is appropriately reactive to changes in that context, as well. I don't think we get a purely ungendered set of rules that doesn't also open up the doors to EVEN MORE criticism on both ends - it's both too restrictive for everyone and its also too vague to hold anyone accountable.

I personally think these rules make sense and are practically written, especially considering the input from women who regularly stream on the platform. On a practical level, the 18+ rules are plenty open. Just my perspective, of course.
I think there is a difference between showing boobs and hardcore porn. :)

That having been said I do agree the rules a clearly written and it seems the women who actually stream on mixer are happy with how things are there, which should always be the main focus.
 
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dex3108

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Oct 26, 2017
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Thing is if you want to blame someone don't go after MS, their rules are consequence of individuals behaving bad on Twitch and Twitch itself.
 

Raide

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Oct 31, 2017
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So....Mixer has some standards and that is a bad thing? Is it because the standard is stricter than the almost no-existant Twitch standards?
 

LuisGarcia

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Oct 31, 2017
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I don't agree with all the rules set as it's a bit ott but I'm struggling to see what is sexist about them.

There are guidelines for men and women and it states that several times.
 

Conkerkid11

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Oct 25, 2017
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At the risk of sounding puritanical, we've seen the fuckery that lax clothing guidelines leads to on Twitch.

Either have a blanket policy or become a partial Camgirl platform

Shame about the shoulder stuff though, I have been working out all summer
Yeah.... Was gonna post something similar to this. Twitch even has policies that they straight up just arbitrarily enforce based on how much their staff likes that particular streamer.

I'll never understand how Amouranth is still a thing.

While I agree that clearly defined rules are better than the ambiguous mess that is Twitch, I honestly don’t understand why people can’t just wear whatever they want or nothing if they want on a 18+ stream?
Because there's other platforms for that.

Also, an 18+ stream is likely 18+ for other reasons besides what the streamer is wearing. It's likely 18+ for explicit language or the game they're playing. Maybe if they're drinking alcohol too? I'm not sure.

Buying Ninja speaks volumes about the audience Microsoft wants for Mixer.
 

ninjabreadman

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Dec 17, 2017
260
'hint of cleavage' what the fuck is this shit?

We have boobs, if it's a heatwave I'm wearing a low cut top to cool off. If folks sexual me for it, that's on them.

Maybe Mixer is imposing these draconian rules so Ninja will want to stream with us without being 'tempted' by our evil succubus ways.
 

SuikerBrood

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Jan 21, 2018
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On one hand I find American fear of nudity fascinating. On the other it's good that the guidelines are strict and clear. It's easier to moderate like that.
 

Karonoth

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Nov 10, 2018
1,074
A lot of people in this thread aren’t very familiar with Twitch and what some channels do just to get views.
This. If fact Twitch added similar rules and I appreciated it. Just go watch porn if that's what you're looking for.

And no, it's not sexist. There were dudes streaming shirtless on Twitch as well and the rules applied to them too.
 

Raide

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Oct 31, 2017
8,749
Yeah if the standards are anti-women, that would sort of be what we call a bad thing. Although it looks like you disagree.
I don't know enough about the standards for either of the platforms since I don't really use them that extensively. I am just reading up on them now but as far as I am aware, Twitch, being the larger streaming platform, seems to have far more issues in regards to standards than MIxer does. I am guessing Mixer wants to get off on the right foot and set the standards early and then modify over time.
 

Karonoth

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Nov 10, 2018
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Somebody playing video games in a tube top isn't an unremarkable occurrence.
It's the equivalent of porn.
OK.
The rules may be overly strict, but they are strict for a reason. Before they added them on Twitch, there were quite a lot of streamers who exploited their body as a way to attract viewers, both male and female. It's perfectly ok for a streaming service to limit what people can or can't do in their platform. TV works the exact same way.