No problem with guidelines and age categories but it reads like it was written by someone with Amish or Mormon values.
Don't see the problem. If you want to see boobs there's always pornhub
Exactly, people seem to think all these platforms are state owned or something.I don't see any issue with this. It's their platform so they can do whatever they want. Better to have a clear guidelines right from the start.
You been there you know that it can.I like raw and sweaty manboob with a sprinkling of Cheeto dust though.
Pornhub can't give me that.
Twitch gets shit for having vague guidelines and issuing inconsistent bans
Mixer gets shit for having well laid out guidelines and policy.
Can't win.
You're contradicting yourself there as Gears obviously wouldn't be classed as a "family friendly stream" anyway.
At the risk of sounding puritanical, we've seen the fuckery that lax clothing guidelines leads to on Twitch.
Either have a blanket policy or become a partial Camgirl platform
It is. I think Mixer is also the most strongly moderated platform for other concerns beyond dress code. I think it's unfortunate that that stuff is falling through the cracks a little bit in this discussion too. This isn't Microsoft trying to police bodies. This is Microsoft/Mixer with a specific vision for what their service platform should be like and forming the rules to get there. Feel free to disagree, but it is what it is. I very much disagree with your seeming assertion that if this country didn't care about nudity, that we would also somehow become more intelligent and evolved on racism? Somehow? I think we have the bandwidth to deal with separate issues on the appropriate levels for different audiences. XDThis dumb fucking country focuses on censoring breasts more than stemming racism and gun culture. (Not just Mixer, TV and other American media as well).
Ass and titties are like at the bottom of the list of things that are wrong with game streaming/Twitch/YouTube culture. It's literally an alt-right starter kit for children right now. Call me crazy, but that seems like a larger concern.
Interesting. Where would you draw the line? I assume you wouldn't approve of hardcore porn on your game streaming network? (I mean.. those Artifact streams last month..). If you'd be down for anything, then that's cool too. But I think it's easy to see why a company like Microsoft, with the image and vision it has for its platform, may not end up at the same conclusion :p.While I agree that clearly defined rules are better than the ambiguous mess that is Twitch, I honestly don't understand why people can't just wear whatever they want or nothing if they want on a 18+ stream?
100% there are physical and societal differences in the way these rules apply. This occurs because of the physical and societal differences in the way clothes are used and perceived broadly. What's the alternative exactly? Decide that American society is too prudish and that children should be exposed at a young age to prepare them for titillation in marketing and the ubiquity of porn? Mixer still operates within a societal context. I think they've laid out a vision that is appropriately reactive to changes in that context, as well. I don't think we get a purely ungendered set of rules that doesn't also open up the doors to EVEN MORE criticism on both ends - it's both too restrictive for everyone and its also too vague to hold anyone accountable.100% agree with this. Lots of people just saying "well it doesn't single women out" as though there's no physical or societal (by the way lots of clothes are designed) differences in how these rules apply
Yeah. I can respect the fact that a platform have its own strict set of guidelines, regardless of whether I agree with those guidelines or not. IMO, more companies should do this.Exactly, people seem to think all these platforms are state owned or something.
No problem with guidelines and age categories but it reads like it was written by someone with Amish or Mormon values.
Since Ninja is Mixer's new face or whatever, does that also mean that men and women aren't allowed to stream together on the platform anymore?
It is. I think Mixer is also the most strongly moderated platform for other concerns beyond dress code. I think it's unfortunate that that stuff is falling through the cracks a little bit in this discussion too. This isn't Microsoft trying to police bodies. This is Microsoft/Mixer with a specific vision for what their service platform should be like and forming the rules to get there. Feel free to disagree, but it is what it is. I very much disagree with your seeming assertion that if this country didn't care about nudity, that we would also somehow become more intelligent and evolved on racism? Somehow? I think we have the bandwidth to deal with separate issues on the appropriate levels for different audiences. XD
Anyway, similar specificity in other rules. For the better, I think.
Interesting. Where would you draw the line? I assume you wouldn't approve of hardcore porn on your game streaming network? (I mean.. those Artifact streams last month..). If you'd be down for anything, then that's cool too. But I think it's easy to see why a company like Microsoft, with the image and vision it has for its platform, may not end up at the same conclusion :p.
100% there are physical and societal differences in the way these rules apply. This occurs because of the physical and societal differences in the way clothes are used and perceived broadly. What's the alternative exactly? Decide that American society is too prudish and that children should be exposed at a young age to prepare them for titillation in marketing and the ubiquity of porn? Mixer still operates within a societal context. I think they've laid out a vision that is appropriately reactive to changes in that context, as well. I don't think we get a purely ungendered set of rules that doesn't also open up the doors to EVEN MORE criticism on both ends - it's both too restrictive for everyone and its also too vague to hold anyone accountable.
I personally think these rules make sense and are practically written, especially considering the input from women who regularly stream on the platform. On a practical level, the 18+ rules are plenty open. Just my perspective, of course.
I'm honestly kinda surprised that isn't a thing yet. Obviously there are a lot of twitch viewers that want to see boobs while watching video games; seems like a missed opportunity.
Yeah.... Was gonna post something similar to this. Twitch even has policies that they straight up just arbitrarily enforce based on how much their staff likes that particular streamer.At the risk of sounding puritanical, we've seen the fuckery that lax clothing guidelines leads to on Twitch.
Either have a blanket policy or become a partial Camgirl platform
Shame about the shoulder stuff though, I have been working out all summer
Because there's other platforms for that.While I agree that clearly defined rules are better than the ambiguous mess that is Twitch, I honestly don't understand why people can't just wear whatever they want or nothing if they want on a 18+ stream?
Since Ninja is Mixer's new face or whatever, does that also mean that men and women aren't allowed to stream together on the platform anymore?
Don't you lot get bored of saying the same thing. He's already gone back on what he said.
So no one is ever redeemable in your eyes? Once they have said something they are not allowed to change their opinion?
*googles Amourath*Yeah.... Was gonna post something similar to this. Twitch even has policies that they straight up just arbitrarily enforce based on how much their staff likes that particular streamer.
I'll never understand how Amouranth is still a thing.
Yeah if the standards are anti-women, that would sort of be what we call a bad thing. Although it looks like you disagree.
This. If fact Twitch added similar rules and I appreciated it. Just go watch porn if that's what you're looking for.A lot of people in this thread aren't very familiar with Twitch and what some channels do just to get views.
I don't know enough about the standards for either of the platforms since I don't really use them that extensively. I am just reading up on them now but as far as I am aware, Twitch, being the larger streaming platform, seems to have far more issues in regards to standards than MIxer does. I am guessing Mixer wants to get off on the right foot and set the standards early and then modify over time.Yeah if the standards are anti-women, that would sort of be what we call a bad thing. Although it looks like you disagree.
Don't you lot get bored of saying the same thing. He's already gone back on what he said.
This. If fact Twitch added similar rules and I appreciated it. Just go watch porn if that's what you're looking for.
Can you shown an example of an anti-woman standard?Yeah if the standards are anti-women, that would sort of be what we call a bad thing. Although it looks like you disagree.
The rules may be overly strict, but they are strict for a reason. Before they added them on Twitch, there were quite a lot of streamers who exploited their body as a way to attract viewers, both male and female. It's perfectly ok for a streaming service to limit what people can or can't do in their platform. TV works the exact same way.Somebody playing video games in a tube top isn't an unremarkable occurrence.
It's the equivalent of porn.
OK.
It's perfectly ok for a streaming service to limit what people can or can't do in their platform.
It's banning casual clothes predominantly worn by women on a regular basis, especially in areas that are warm/hot.