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[IGN] Mixer, Ninja's New Streaming Platform, Criticized for Seemingly Strict Clothing Guidelines
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Lol basically. It's like people don't get the fundamental thing they are arguing when they do this.
It must be a very unique power you possess if you can determine who a "real gamer" is by the clothes they wear!
Which is also stupid.
But you're out of your mind if you think there wouldn't be less assumed sexulization if men's fashion was similar to women's
I think his goal is to drag whole alt-right / incel / women hater aspect into this thread and its discussion.
What's with all the puritan ideologies in recent times? First all the censoring of Japanese games by Sony and then this? What gives?
No that's not what I said, you made that up.
A sexist dress code would be one that allows men to go topless or wear male specific tank tops, while banning women from the same.
In the case of mixer. Men are prohibited from wearing man specific styles that can be deemed as revealing/sexual as well.
And plenty of men would be happy to wear that dress. I think you are being discriminate in claiming that's a style that only women would want to wear.
Stupid is me being sent away from a bar in the summer time, to put a shirt on that covers my shoulders. This rule only applies to men. It sucks.
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Defending your gaming box is sad enough but extending it to a streaming platform the same company owns and ignoring base sexist rules? Pathetic, fellas.
I fail to see what the problem is here. Of course ideally female breast wouldn't be sexualized but that's just how it is in our current society. Maybe if everyone was a nudist it would be different but then you open the gates to other problems.
MS is doing the best they can with these guidelines, maybe they should just emphasize even more that the rules applies to both males and females in big bold font just to get it across. There is nothing sexist about this.
MS is doing the best they can with these guidelines, maybe they should just emphasize even more that the rules applies to both males and females in big bold font just to get it across. There is nothing sexist about this.
You can't seem to think of any specific ones though.
The fact that the mixer guidelines for family friendly/teen streams focuses exclusively on women's features is kind of important to consider before saying something silly like 'men are prohibited from wearing strapless tops and showing cleavage!'
Brah I said not socially common not only women
But nice try at the rhetoric powerplay bucko
This is an idiotic stance, haha jesus
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The guidelines are strict and don't make sense for some of those rules. This is a reaction to the "twitch thots" that people fucking love to complain about though, so honestly why is anyone surprised?
I have honestly always found little teens to lust after women streamers wearing revealing clothes to be really inapropriate and kind of gross.
I know these streamers end up thinking whatever it's not the reason I do this, and I believe that, but is totally ignoring that really the answer?
The thing is that moderating this shit has also been a failed effort and after years we still see this. I could never ever feel or pretend it's okay having a teen lusting for me as a big adult. Just seems gross as fuck
I know these streamers end up thinking whatever it's not the reason I do this, and I believe that, but is totally ignoring that really the answer?
The thing is that moderating this shit has also been a failed effort and after years we still see this. I could never ever feel or pretend it's okay having a teen lusting for me as a big adult. Just seems gross as fuck
Doesn't matter if it's socially common when it comes to calling something sexist or not.
This is literally the second tweet of this person, it's clear what her aim is when streaming
I'm talking about people claiming this policy is sexist and discriminatory toward women.
Thought that's what you were talking about? No?
Lol not at all.
I guess strawmaning is all you got at this point.
What I said was revealing clothing is sexualized, regardless of who is wearing it. The fashion industry lives on sexualization.
My argument is that, it's not Microsoft job to police fashion trends. The reality is that women more often where revealing clothing than men do.So any restrictions on revealing clothing will disproportionately effect the wardrobe of women. Whether or not the those women or men who wear revealing clothing due so with the intent of being sexualized it not pertinent, even though i absolutely don't think people are choosing to be sexualized. Shame on you for that baseless accusation. Learn to read... Our at least don't put words in my mouth.
What IS pertinent is that streamers often use revealing clothing in conjunction with the intent to titillate during streams that are aimed at minors. and MS, in an effort to combat this, has relegated revealing clothing to 18+ streams- thus casting a net wide enough to keep streamers who have the intent to titillate away from the eyes of children.
Yes, there will be streamers who get tagged 18+ who probably wouldn't be if given an individual review - but such a system is all but guaranteed to fail to avoid the trappings of individual biases. Its far simpler to just say "wear a damn shirt if you are airing a kids show."
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So you're saying exactly what I said you're saying.
This is no sexual but by your argument it is because it's "revealing"
Hey I'm perfectly ok with some female streamers who sexualize themselves for views, it's their own personal choice. I'm completely supportive of them even though I personally don't care to watch their streams. I get where you and others who say this is sexist are coming from and hope that we dont ignore that some streamers dress in revealing attire to get more views. That's fine and applying a somewhat arbitrary 18+ rating to their stream seems like a fair compromise.
I also get that some other streamers just like to dress that way. But these platforms need some sort of guideline and it sucks that those guidelines might disproportionately apply to females but I don't see how else they can go about it. Maybe if suddenly it became fashionable for men to go around without any shirts it would shift the balance.
I'm not seeing anything like that in her actual streams which is what the thread is about and I don't think you can judge someones streaming intentions from a random tweet.
How not?
Never allowed
- Underwear/lingerie
- Transparent clothing worn by itself without an undershirt
So you're saying exactly what I said you're saying.
This is no sexual but by your argument it is because it's "revealing"
What the fuck are you talking about? I said women tend to wear clothing that is more revealing than what men wear. I make NO assumptions about the intent behind an individuals clothing choices, male or female.
Where the fuck did I say revealing=sexual?
Just because a person chooses to wear revealing clothing doesn't mean they are choosing to be sexualized. I never said as much. I said women are more likely to wear revealing clothing, and as such, are disproportionately affected by any restriction on revealing clothing. I also said that men in revealing clothing is also sexualized in fashion.
Like I said, learn to read or argue in good faith
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So basically you know it's sexist but you're cool with it because some women profit off being sexual
Think of it this way.So you're saying exactly what I said you're saying.
This is no sexual but by your argument it is because it's "revealing"
I as a male pretty much exclusively go topless with boxers when I'm at home.
When we have visitors, I put some damn clothes on.
It's not cause I think my dad bod is irresistibly sexual. It's simply to respect my visitors and not have to figure out how they feel about an almost naked man.
Same thing here. Mixer isn't claiming that outfit is sexual. They are avoiding having individually to determine which tube tops are sexual and which ones aren't.
"What I said was revealing clothing is sexualized, regardless of who is wearing it."
Now then if you are saying this isn't right then you agree with me and I'm then unsure why you're defending these dress codes.
You just compared no shirt and almost naked to a picture of a woman in a high tank top and jeans and mixed in "respectability"
Like I said the immediate jump from tank top on women to nearly naked men says everything about how women are inherently sexualized for existing
I'm pretty sure they can stream even if they don't follow those rules it just they'll get a mature stream. Now I don't understand how it's sexist to not want children to be exposed to overtly sexual streams. I know some streamers are trying to say that it's just the clothes they wear and that they're streams are no less sexual than someone who isn't wearing revealing clothing but that's really not true most of the time as you can discern by the amount streamers like Kacey Tron and Amouranth. Also, dress codes are a thing most businesses have.
If you just base it on the fact that it does disproportionately apply to females I get that you might think it's sexist. The problem is that its impossible to have any guidelines in regards to attire that would not disproportionately apply to females because there are plenty of female streamers to sexualize themselves for views and comparably, women clothing tends to be more revealing than men clothing.
Personally I don't care about what people wear but the guideline clearly states that they apply to everyone. At its core it's not sexist because if they were every company in the USA would be getting sued for discrimination.
I assume you are talking about me since you complained about the tweets I posted and since I am an avid member of XGS thread... I have been using mixer since they were known as beam and before they were bought. Mixer/Beam streamers have never been rejecting or hateful and viewed a lot of the community as family, what I wanted to do was share some of the great female streamers of mixer and let people hear what they had to say. But I guess first hand accounts aren't allowed if they go against your opinion and you can throw away anyone's opinions on a gaming topic as muh consoles wars. In which case we might as well not even have discussion about this at all and just change the thread topic to "Mixer hates women and are sexist bigots, and anyone who disagree are console warriors so don't even bother". I am moving on from this topic as I can't defend the community I have followed and been part of and who have helped me through some pretty tough parts of my life, without being called a console warrior. Hope you all have great day.
No. I didn't.
That's the disingenuous, straw man argument you want to keep running to.
In no way did i compare almost naked men to women in a tank top.
What I tried to explain is that even if an individual is not purposefully being "sexual" it's still common to cover up, so the world doesn't think you are being sexual.
And the only difference between a topless man and woman is anatomy. So any guidelines about what's appropriate for upper body clothing will have to address the fact that men and women have different anatomy.
OK, you have a serious reading comprehension issues.
Revealing clothing IS sexualized. That's not inherently the fault or choice of the person wearing it- it's the fault of the observer who chooses to sexualize the person wearing it. And the fault of the fashion industry that thrives on it. And the fault of a society that grew this way. I want you to show me where I suggested otherwise.
I also pushed against your assumption that if men wore revealing close that assumed sexualization would decrease. I said that men who dress in revealing clothing are also sexualized. It also happens that mean are less likely to dress revealingly. I never suggested that this correlation was due to a choice to avoid getting sexualized. It's just an observation about fashion trends.
The reason why I defend the dress code, is because it doesn't involve any "assumed sexuality". Its just puts all revealing clothing away from the eyes of children- sexualized or not. So rather than having some guy in a cubicle deciding whether or not a streamer is intending to titillate, they put up a barrier that isn't burdensome for anyone who wants the family-friendly tag, but also prevents those who do intend to titillate from doing so before minors.
You're arguing on completely on the false pretense that this guidelines labels anyone who shows some skin is inherently intending to titillate. The reality is, these guidelines don't judge intent at all.
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