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Alanood

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,559
So, there was that reddit thread posted by someone expressing their concern toward a certain side-character which appeared in a manga (fumetsu no anata e, aka to you the immortal).
I expected to see the usual pedophilic comments, since I see them so often in MAL. "omg normies at it again" or "it's just fiction", something like that.
Unfortunately, what I saw was on an another level.
First I saw the "but it's their culture" excuse.

It was imagineable until this point, but then I saw someone actually saying that pedophiles are actually... victims...
"They're suffering from pedophilic disorders, they're not actually enjoying it!"
I mean, they literally wrote that for real. They also wrote that it's creepy and uncomfortable, but they are literally making excuses for pedophiles, and implying that they should not be society outcasts...
This is messed up. Ok, so pedophiles who didn't actually made a mistake because they think it's wrong don't deserve to be punished by law? If that's the case, then yes. But that doesn't mean we can actually to exist normally in our society, can we?
Psychopaths who didn't commit a crime should not be punished, nobody should be punished for something they didn't do, but does that mean we can tolerate living normally with them? What if they lose to their temptations for once and kill someone? Shouldn't they be supervised in mental health units/hospitals and monitored so they can be stopped before it's too late?
The same thing goes with pedophiles, then.
They should not be allowed to interact with children. I wouldn't tolerate a pedophile-with-no-record to get close to any child I know, nor any child I have no connections with.

Providing screenshots in case someone doesn't believe it, like when I first read their comments:
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Another debate, in response for me saying that I'm losing hope of the manga for portraying the pedophile character as a good guy:
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Now with the real deal:
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Yup.

I made this thread not only because of that reddit thread, I've seen alot of people normalizing pedophilia, but those guys were the last straws.
I'm sorry for the long post, and for my possible english mistakes, but I just needed to vent. I wanted to express how tired I am, and to talk with people who understand how dangerous sympathy with pedophilia is.
I'm done with this world, honestly.
 

shnurgleton

Member
Oct 27, 2017
15,864
Boston
Isn't it incredibly offensive to just hand wave it away claiming "it's normal in Japan"

Anime/Manga fan communities are trash
 

Siggy-P

Avenger
Mar 18, 2018
11,867
Accusing someone of imposing their views onto Japanese culture, even though they themselves are imposing their own peadophilia onto Japanese culture.
 

heathen earth

Member
Mar 21, 2020
2,007
I feel like that last person needs to be on some kind of list.

"Won't someone please think of the poor pedophiles?"
 

mAcOdIn

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,978
I thought it was crazy how we're talking more about grooming these days and this season has 2 animes running about older men(by like 10 years) grooming 17 year old high school girls.
 

Damaniel

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
6,541
Portland, OR
It's one of the reasons I don't really interact with or even like anime/manga - it's so pervasive that if I picked a random manga to read, 9 times out of 10 it will have some sort of sexualized, obviously underage character in it somewhere.
 

never

Member
Oct 28, 2017
1,838
The anime community acceptance of underage and kid porn/lewds is absolutely gross.
 

Verelios

Member
Oct 26, 2017
14,878
"Criticize the pedophile all you want, he was the only one that cared for her."
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That's not care, you fuck.
 

nsilvias

Member
Oct 25, 2017
23,972
That's what happens when you have such a superficial image of a culture like weaboos do
 

L Thammy

Spacenoid
Member
Oct 25, 2017
50,134
I sometimes wonder how anime communities may have been negatively affected by historical reasons. Anime was late to reach mainstream adoption in North America, which I've heard lead to stuff like tentacle hentai having more exposure than it normally - producers companies trying to push adult as being more adult as an alternative to typical cartoons and distributors not having familiarity and assuming that all cartoons were for kids. Later, 4chan was originally established as an anime board and was the world's most visited imageboard at one point, so chan culture forms the standard of behaviour for anime communities.
 

Polioliolio

Member
Nov 6, 2017
5,401
Yeah it's offputting. I mean it's not like it's legal to do sexual things with children in Japan anyway, so why does Gentleman Criminal need a child sidekick that loves him romantically? Eh. It's just weird, even if I'm somehow not seeing it from the right cultural perspective. It's going places that's just needlessly inappropriate at best.
 
Oct 28, 2017
10,000
Yeah it's offputting. I mean it's not like it's legal to do sexual things with children in Japan anyway, so why does Gentleman Criminal need a child sidekick that loves him romantically? Eh. It's just weird, even if I'm somehow not seeing it from the right cultural perspective. It's going places that's just needlessly inappropriate at best.
I think she's just a little person but hey you never know intent with anime/manga.
 

el jacko

Member
Dec 12, 2017
947
Isn't it incredibly offensive to just hand wave it away claiming "it's normal in Japan"

Anime/Manga fan communities are trash
Try telling that to people here, they'll think you're a super creep.

Slightly funny story: my colleague and I were discussing living with roommates and SOs, and she told me about living with her ex-boyfriend. It was fine, until one time he (apparently) asked her to wear a high school sailor uniform, as like a thing. And now they don't live together!
 

ReginaldXIV

It's Pronounced "Aerith"
Member
Nov 4, 2017
7,878
Minnesota
La Brava is 22 and a little person. It's definitely hard to differentiate what's a gross trope and what's a depiction of smaller folk though.
 

Deleted member 24021

User requested account closure
Banned
Oct 29, 2017
4,772
It's not hard to avoid anime with pedo shit, I avoid them all the time and watch shows that don't have it

Edit: I should clarify that defending pedophilia or trying to rationalize it in any way is disgusting, I wish the anime community didn't have so many people defending that shit
 
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PAFenix

Unshakable Resolve
Member
Nov 21, 2019
14,830
I could only read about halfway through your screenshots.

I hate when people pull the "it's part of their culture" when the only experience with said culture is just one form of media (in this case, anime).
 

Mekanos

â–˛ Legend â–˛
Member
Oct 17, 2018
44,290
It's a huge problem and I don't think it will change until the people creating these anime/manga series, well, stop putting in this kind of content in their media. It's incredibly normalized within the industry; even big famous authors of shonen manga like Oda sent out a message of encouragement to Rurouni Kenshin's author after he was caught with child porn.
 

Annubis

Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,670
They should go to Japan, tell people they married a 16 y-o and see what kind of looks they get.
 

Mammoth Jones

Member
Oct 25, 2017
12,371
New York
Fucking disgusting. I think people should expect better from anime in 2021.

That form of media shouldn't get a pass for pedophilic bullshit because....culture.
 

L Thammy

Spacenoid
Member
Oct 25, 2017
50,134
It's a huge problem and I don't think it will change until the people creating these anime/manga series, well, stop putting in this kind of content in their media. It's incredibly normalized within the industry; even big famous authors of shonen manga like Oda sent out a message of encouragement to Rurouni Kenshin's author after he was caught with child porn.
Oda's also good friends with Toriko's author and likes to promote his work, after the guy was sentenced to jail for child prostitution (a sentence that I don't believe he ever actually served but did kill an earlier manga of his).
 

Aexact

Member
Oct 30, 2017
3,289
I noticed that about anime reddit. Almost all other subs will push back aggressively about pedophila but anime reddit are uncomfortably defensive about it.

Which might be an outsider's perspective, that's how it looked the few times I checked that place out and didn't pursue it further.
 

Garrison

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,923
Really disgusting shit all around. One of the reasons I'm not much into anime at all. There is some cool stuff out there for sure but it looks like overall, the sexualized young girl BS seems to run rampant in that form of media.
 

lorddarkflare

Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,300
You have no idea how many supposedly good anime I have had recommended to me, and then when I start to watch them its just creepy shit everywhere.

Not even subtle creepy shit.

The Monogatari series in particular. I think I got 3 episodes deep into that and noped out so. damn. hard.
 

TissueBox

Member
Oct 25, 2017
10,103
Urinated States of America
The pedophilia argument is a bit of a slippery slope. For consensus that state it is not a choice to be attracted to children, you have people trying to equate it to a sexual orientation or fetish, which leads to arguments defending it on a medical/biological basis, and then posing the possibility of a 'cure' for pedopholia as the same as saying one could be cured of a fetish or preference.

It's probably not possible to fully eliminate pedophillic desires in a pedophile, but they can be sufficiently suppressed and negated to the point of minimal function.

And you know what helps that along?

Pop culture/media and its consumption. As long as this is enabled by stuff like the anime/manga sphere, idol culture, etc., this sort of outlook and mental habit is fed and encouraged. ;/
 

golguin

Member
Oct 29, 2017
3,763
This has been an issue for a long, long time. Interacting with the Made in Abyss community grossed the fuck out of me.

Made in Abyss is one of my wife's favorite anime. I watch a lot of shows, but she will rarely get attached to anything I convince her to watch with me. She doesn't engage with any anime community so she purely connects with anime based on what she watches. No hype, no reading, no nothing.

Three of her favorite shows are Made in Abyss, Ancient Magus Bride, and Miss Kibayashis Dragon Maid. All are shows she loves and all are shows that people have huge issues with. I've never told her about any of the issues people have, but I wonder what her reaction would be upon hearing them.

How would people react to my wife not having any issues with those shows? The last time she made a comment was during the Jobless Reincarnation after the 10th birthday.
 
May 26, 2018
24,063
Made in Abyss is one of my wife's favorite anime. I watch a lot of shows, but she will rarely get attached to anything I convince her to watch with me. She doesn't engage with any anime community so she purely connects with anime based on what she watches. No hype, no reading, no nothing.

Three of her favorite shows are Made in Abyss, Ancient Magus Bride, and Miss Kibayashis Dragon Maid. All are shows she loves and all are shows that people have huge issues with. I've never told her about any of the issues people have, but I wonder what her reaction would be upon hearing them.

How would people react to my wife not having any issues with those shows? The last time she made a comment was during the Jobless Reincarnation after the 10th birthday.

I mean, I was running into people defending pedophilia because they thought the world was shit so why fight it.
 

knocturnalis

Member
Oct 27, 2017
539
I don't really mess with anime that much anymore because of people like this. Sometimes it seems like they make up the majority of fans.
 

Hypron

Member
Oct 27, 2017
4,059
NZ
Some people read that manga is popular in Japan and then they just assume that whatever fucked up shit they read in manga is acceptable in Japanese society because of that.

That and they childishly make the media they consume an integral part of their identity and therefore cannot bear to hear the faintest criticism of said media because they would take it as a personal slight.

Some of them are also straight up pedos too.
 

knocturnalis

Member
Oct 27, 2017
539
Oda's also good friends with Toriko's author and likes to promote his work, after the guy was sentenced to jail for child prostitution (a sentence that I don't believe he ever actually served but did kill an earlier manga of his).
At first I thought you were talking about the author of Rouroni Kenshin, but nope, there are just two pedos.
 

L Thammy

Spacenoid
Member
Oct 25, 2017
50,134
At first I thought you were talking about the author of Rouroni Kenshin, but nope, there are just two pedos.
Oda's a personal friend of the creator of Toriko, and a former assistant of the creator of Rurouni Kenshin. If you look up Honjou Kamatari, that's a character from Rurouni Kenshin that Oda heavily influenced.
 

Baji Boxer

Chicken Chaser
Member
Oct 27, 2017
11,386
Made in Abyss is one of my wife's favorite anime. I watch a lot of shows, but she will rarely get attached to anything I convince her to watch with me. She doesn't engage with any anime community so she purely connects with anime based on what she watches. No hype, no reading, no nothing.

Three of her favorite shows are Made in Abyss, Ancient Magus Bride, and Miss Kibayashis Dragon Maid. All are shows she loves and all are shows that people have huge issues with. I've never told her about any of the issues people have, but I wonder what her reaction would be upon hearing them.

How would people react to my wife not having any issues with those shows? The last time she made a comment was during the Jobless Reincarnation after the 10th birthday.
I'd say that a lot of people will excuse something problematic/terrible if they like everything else. We've seen that a lot, at least back on Neogaf, with things like Fire Emblem, Bravely Default, and some other Japanese games.

I find there are a lot of people that will get dismisive, upset, and defensive if something in their favorite media is pointed out as bad.
 

DragonSJG

Banned
Mar 4, 2019
14,341
If you get caught with loli, it'll be considered CP and you'll get arrested, so that's all I need to hear about this topic
The name literally comes from a book about pedophilia
 
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lvl 99 Pixel

Member
Oct 25, 2017
44,797
How would people react to my wife not having any issues with those shows?

Whether you like said shows or not it seems impossible to not notice these issues when they're so overt. That show is banned to be discussed on this site, and I fairly copped a ban for suggesting problematic scenes could be skipped (when it just shouldn't exist in the first place).

I don't think its a bad thing to point out serious issues just because someone likes watching something, whether its anime or games or whatever media you're consuming.
 

golguin

Member
Oct 29, 2017
3,763
I'd say that a lot of people will excuse something problematic/terrible if they like everything else. We've seen that a lot, at least back on Neogaf, with things like Fire Emblem, Bravely Default, and some other Japanese games.

My wife didn't excuse anything terrible about the three shows I listed. She thoroughly enjoyed them. It's not a question of not calling things out because she had a lot to say during our watching of Jobless Reincarnation. She calls out things she notices. She will point out depictions of things she doesn't like or doesn't agree with in the moment.
 

Ashlette

Member
Oct 28, 2017
3,254
From personal experience, it's impossible to call out content that sexualizes children without involuntarily summoning the pedo defense force. Not a fan of how a game dresses a teenager? Can't call it out, because you'll have neckbeards breathing down your neck and saying "WELL ACKSHULLY she is japanese and the japanese LAW states that 13 is the age of consent!" I drew and posted a comic on Reddit about this issue and how it deters people from speaking out against the normalization of pedophilia, and it was downvoted and removed. Yeah.
 
May 26, 2018
24,063
My wife didn't excuse anything terrible about the three shows I listed. She thoroughly enjoyed them. It's not a question of not calling things out because she had a lot to say during our watching of Jobless Reincarnation. She calls out things she notices. She will point out depictions of things she doesn't like or doesn't agree with in the moment.

For what it's worth, the anime of Made in Abyss is still bad, but it actually downplayed what was in the manga, which was horrible enough to read about.
 

Yasumi

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,578
Wait what, since when did To Your Eternity have pedo stuff? I really can't remember any. I've only read up to pre-timeskip, so I'm guessing after that?
 
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HiLife

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
39,889
It's the worst. Another thing just as bad would be fetishization of female characters.